BF2S Forums Environment interaction to be the future of gaming?

Tbh the new thing in alone in the dark where you can pick up objects and use them as melee weapons should be in every single RPG and adventure game from this point onwards.

MadKatter wrote:

There's a TV screen, you can kill it with your gun.

lol. Do you think TV's feel pain?


I agree that it would be a cool scenario, like in Crysis you walk to a bush and every leaf bounces off of you rather than immovable pixels you walk through but nothing changes.

It would be a coders nightmare however.

Last edited by TheAussieReaper (2008-08-10 18:26:00)

alot of those ideas sound like Morrowind tbh

Shit man, if I want to "use" my knife with a tree I should be able to stick it in the tree, carve off some bark, use it as an anchor to climb the tree, or make sawdust.

THIS is what needs to happen in all MMOs. IMO.

I don't see why not, especially in the MMO department.

MadKatter wrote:

I don't see why not, especially in the MMO department.

Well you don't see why not because you don't know anything about game design and coding, its much more time consuming for games today and imagine if all these little details were incorporated, the game would take way to long to make and the amout of manpower and time would outweigh the profits the game would make

Mutantsteak wrote:

MadKatter wrote:

I don't see why not, especially in the MMO department.

Well you don't see why not because you don't know anything about game design and coding, its much more time consuming for games today and imagine if all these little details were incorporated, the game would take way to long to make and the amout of manpower and time would outweigh the profits the game would make

Time consuming is hardly an issue. If nothing else you can add these things in with patches after the game has been released.

MadKatter wrote:

Mutantsteak wrote:

MadKatter wrote:

I don't see why not, especially in the MMO department.

Well you don't see why not because you don't know anything about game design and coding, its much more time consuming for games today and imagine if all these little details were incorporated, the game would take way to long to make and the amout of manpower and time would outweigh the profits the game would make

Time consuming is hardly an issue. If nothing else you can add these things in with patches after the game has been released.

Whats he getting at is say a game were , for a very simple example take $1 to make, including paying the designers, develoeprs,etc.  The game sells $5 worth of product.  Profit of $4.

Now the same game incorporates alot more stuff, and production require more time, equaling more expensive, costing $4 to produce, yet still only selling $5.

Point hes making, is the cost from the extra development time isnt just a set amount of money, you need to pay people for more hours, more work, developement, etc.  these costs add up and that requires a game to sell more copies to make a profit, making it not econmoically feasible for the company.

Oh well. I don't think it would take that long, but thats why I went here.

I can understand the cost issues, but the CPU/GPU issue confuses me even more. It's an MMO, all it would be is a dropdown and possibly animation. Right?

Edit: PS, I'm no stranger to "economically viable" "man hours" or any of that. I don't know about you guys though, but I could spend hours just plain looking around for stuff to make into more stuff...

Last edited by MadKatter (2008-08-10 18:50:35)

TheAussieReaper wrote:

MadKatter wrote:

Oh well. I don't think it would take that long, but thats why I went here.

I can understand the cost issues, but the CPU/GPU issue confuses me even more. It's an MMO, all it would be is a dropdown and possibly animation. Right?

Your not talking about a simple animation though. What you want to see is a physics engine. Followed by the pretty pixels. (most)Games aren't designed like that to start with.

First you build the model, then add the basic physics principles and then a lot of time goes into the gfx side of things.

Rag doll is an example of this.

It's only been in recent games you've seen rag doll animation because the processing power has caught up.

Look at the death animations for doom. Very simple. Add in a physics engine and you have bodies that hit the floor and bounce and roll to their side.

The rag doll animations we have at the moment are far from perfect too.

The physics/animation side of it can be omitted for that obvious reason, but the item interacting shouldn't be that hard to code or run.

Last edited by MadKatter (2008-08-10 18:59:29)

MadKatter wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

MadKatter wrote:

Oh well. I don't think it would take that long, but thats why I went here.

I can understand the cost issues, but the CPU/GPU issue confuses me even more. It's an MMO, all it would be is a dropdown and possibly animation. Right?

Your not talking about a simple animation though. What you want to see is a physics engine. Followed by the pretty pixels. (most)Games aren't designed like that to start with.

First you build the model, then add the basic physics principles and then a lot of time goes into the gfx side of things.

Rag doll is an example of this.

It's only been in recent games you've seen rag doll animation because the processing power has caught up.

Look at the death animations for doom. Very simple. Add in a physics engine and you have bodies that hit the floor and bounce and roll to their side.

The rag doll animations we have at the moment are far from perfect too.

The physics side of it can be omitted for that obvious reason, but the item interacting shouldn't be that hard to code or run.

what i think you described is dynamic interaction, this is exactly the sort of thing that adds HUGE amounts of time to a games development, preprogrammed and animated things that you have later described are already available in hundreds of games, if what you are suggesting is truly dynamic as in, if you bend a piece of wire with pliers it has hundreds of axis's and thus you can form any shape you want then that would be new but if your suggesting you get a piece of wire and bend it and it always comes out as the same object with exactly the same model then you aren't suggesting anything new whatsoever as that is what games already do.

If you want an MMO with tons of detail just play Roma Victor, however the fact that it has tons of detail means its got really crappy graphics and has been in development for like 8 years. It doesn't dynamically do anything, you just hit a tree and get some bark or whatever and the tree model shows no change then you do whatever with that material.

Its not enviromental interaction its just loads of unnecessary detail that doesn't really make the game more fun, in fact its a rather boring MMO.

Last edited by Vilham (2008-08-10 19:06:50)

see my edit. There is already a game that does what you describe.

The reason this system isn't in more games is because its very unfriendly to users. You don't want to make a game where you need gather 50 ingredients to make a cake, it makes it more realistic but it makes it shit boring.

There really is a limit to complexity of crafting and interaction that just becomes annoying more than anything.

Last edited by Vilham (2008-08-10 19:10:34)