Finally (Colombia tricks rebels into freeing hostages)

2008-07-02 20:40:12

#1

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6831|'Murka

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25499926

Three of the fifteen were the US contractors who had been held for the past five years. Never thought we'd see those guys again. Good on the Colombian military for pulling it off without a shot fired.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
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2008-07-02 20:46:43

#2

God Save the Queen: Banned; +628|6763|tropical regions of london

"The pilots, she said, were posing as members of a relief organization, but "they were dressed like clowns," wearing Che Guevara shirts, so she assumed they were rebels."

thats the one that stuck out for me

2008-07-02 20:49:31

#3

HurricaИe: Banned; +877|6381|Washington DC

They should've rounded up the rebels and sent them to the gallows... but at least the hostages all got out safely.

Counter-terrorists win

2008-07-02 20:50:09

#4

God Save the Queen: Banned; +628|6763|tropical regions of london

the rebels are all retirement age.

2008-07-02 20:55:58

#5

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6949|Global Command

I submit that the U.S. funded the crushing of FARC so that the controlling parties within our government could control the supply of cocaine from Columbia.

2008-07-03 13:04:15

#6

CC-Marley: Member; +407|7249

Great story. Chaves must be pissed off.

2008-07-03 13:06:16

#7

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7041|London, England

Yeah, and whilst the whole of France celebrates about their celebrity hostage, just today two student Frenchmen were brutally murdered in London. The world has it's ways....

2008-07-03 13:14:54

#8

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6710|Éire

CC-Marley wrote:
Great story. Chaves must be pissed off.

Chavez wanted them to release the hostages so I wouldn't say he's too annoyed.

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,364368,00.html

2008-07-03 13:20:51

#9

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6831|'Murka

Braddock wrote:
CC-Marley wrote:
Great story. Chaves must be pissed off.
Chavez wanted them to release the hostages so I wouldn't say he's too annoyed.

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,364368,00.html

Doesn't count...you used Fox News and everyone knows that's just right-wing religious gun nut lies.

Since Chavez wanted the credit for their release, I'm willing to bet he's cheezed off.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-07-03 13:26:47

#10

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6710|Éire

FEOS wrote:
Braddock wrote:
CC-Marley wrote:
Great story. Chaves must be pissed off.
Chavez wanted them to release the hostages so I wouldn't say he's too annoyed.

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,364368,00.html
Doesn't count...you used Fox News and everyone knows that's just right-wing religious gun nut lies.

Since Chavez wanted the credit for their release, I'm willing to bet he's cheezed off.

Are you getting cynical in your old age FEOS?

2008-07-03 13:30:31

#11

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6831|'Murka

"getting"?

No matter how cynical I get, it's never enough.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-07-03 13:39:57

#12

CC-Marley: Member; +407|7249

Chaves is pissed because he won't get the credit.

2008-07-04 18:30:19

#13

EVieira: Member; +105|6898|Lutenblaag, Molvania

Chavez is totally pissed off. If it wasn't bad enough that he had nothing to do with the liberation of the hostages, his biggest rival orchestrated a fantastic operation that freed the hostages without firing a single shot. Uribe is the only sensible leader in Latin America, and the only one who's been able to shut uo Chavez and his compadres.

If only Uribe could run for president of Brazil...

"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)

2008-08-07 14:02:58

#14

PureFodder: Member; +225|6706

Update: It seems that the Colombians broke the Geneva Convention when they rescued the hostages. One of the members of the rescue team was using the Red Cross symbol.

"Use of the Red Cross symbol in a military operation violates the first Geneva Convention because it could damage the relief group's neutrality in conflicts, endangering medical personnel on the battlefield using the red cross for protection."

Initially when footage turned up of this it was claimed that it was an error by a nervous soldier who put it on during the operation. New footage shows that he was wearing it before the operation even began. The Colombian military have broken the Geneva Convention and been caught lying about it.

This combined with the allegations that France paid $20 million to FARC for the hostages makes the operation look a whole lot less sucessful.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/ … lombia.php

2008-08-07 14:09:52

#15

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7069

I thought that's been known since a day after they were rescued?

2008-08-07 14:17:16

#16

PureFodder: Member; +225|6706

ghettoperson wrote:
I thought that's been known since a day after they were rescued?

Initially it was claimed that it was just some soldier crapping himself and shoving in on himself in the heat of the moment. A single mistake by a single soldier. Now it seems like it was part of the plan from the begining. A very different situation.

2008-08-07 15:22:53

#17

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7069

PureFodder wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
I thought that's been known since a day after they were rescued?
Initially it was claimed that it was just some soldier crapping himself and shoving in on himself in the heat of the moment. A single mistake by a single soldier. Now it seems like it was part of the plan from the begining. A very different situation.

People believed that?

Oh well, doesn't really seem like the end of the world to me. Speaking of which, isn't that gigantic death trap at CERN about to start?

2008-08-07 16:21:19

#18

PureFodder: Member; +225|6706

ghettoperson wrote:
PureFodder wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
I thought that's been known since a day after they were rescued?
Initially it was claimed that it was just some soldier crapping himself and shoving in on himself in the heat of the moment. A single mistake by a single soldier. Now it seems like it was part of the plan from the beginning. A very different situation.
People believed that?

Oh well, doesn't really seem like the end of the world to me. Speaking of which, isn't that gigantic death trap at CERN about to start?

You'd probably look at it differently if the only thing between you and likely death was the fact that you were wearing a red cross symbol. If people stop trusting the red cross symbol, either lots of red cross people get killed/kidnapped/tortured on suspicion of being a spy or the red cross have to stop operating in hostile environments. Both of wich are bad outcomes. That's why it's a war crime.

2008-08-07 16:28:07

#19

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7069

So we can invade Colombia now? But yes I see your point.

2008-08-07 16:35:51

#20

Monkey Spanker: Show it to the nice monkey.; +284|6672|England

its not really a war crime its a breach of the convention, it seems that quite a few countries breach it regularly. I see your point the commander should be sacked but in all honesty what else can be done about it.

If you are interested in the modern history of Columbia you should read white wash by Simon Strong great book goes into the corruption & drugs trafficking.

Last edited by smuder201 (2008-08-07 16:38:21)

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2008-08-08 06:05:04

#21

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6831|'Murka

A very minor violation. It wasn't like the helo had a red cross on it...one of over a dozen crew members did.

Military medics and evac helos use the red cross symbol...are they executing war crimes?

I agree with smuder. A violation of the GC is not necessarily a war crime.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-08-08 06:49:56

#22

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7041|London, England

Bo fucking hoo. So they disguised themselves as red cross to free some people. Go complain to someone who cares.

2008-08-08 11:15:42

#23

PureFodder: Member; +225|6706

FEOS wrote:
A very minor violation. It wasn't like the helo had a red cross on it...one of over a dozen crew members did.

Military medics and evac helos use the red cross symbol...are they executing war crimes?

I agree with smuder. A violation of the GC is not necessarily a war crime.

https://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/WORLD/americas/07/16/colombia.cross/art.penhaul.icrc.01.jpg

That's the red cross emblem. The red cross used by medics in the battlefield is distinct from that. The simple red cross/crescent/diamond can be used by medical personnel that are not nessesarily part of the Red cross. What the guy is wearing appears to identify him as a red cross worker, not just a medical personnel. Misuse of the symbol jeopardises the safety of red cross workers and their ability to help people all over the world. It may not be a full war crime but it is a serious breach of international law and a violation of the Geneva Convention.

If the red cross looses credibility as an independent group because others misuse the symbol then it could lead to huge amounts of death and suffering for innocent victims of conflict zones as the Red cross won't be able to operate. The red cross can only do it's job if nobody does this. They didn't stick it into the Geneva Convention for a laugh.

2008-08-11 10:14:12

#24

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6831|'Murka

Undoubtedly it was wrong. I never said otherwise.

Thanks for backing off the hyperbole.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-08-11 11:59:17

#25

djphetal: Go Ducks.; +346|6756|Oregon

Props to the Colombian Govt. on this one. Nice work.

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