BF2S Forums More Georigia Vs Russia

CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine wrote:

wow, nice op...........lol.

anyway, you declare war on someone when they shoot down your shit in your own airspace and have troops inside your borders.  I know, thats just the imagination of the west according to cam.

More deep thought from usmarine, completely oblivious to the realities on the ground. Obviously not big on South Ossetian or Abkhazian rights, eh? Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Georgia roll the tanks in to regions of Georgia where they weren't welcome? Kind of like what Serbia did to Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Kosovo and all of the other 'parts of Yugoslavia' that are now countries in their own right, some of which being down to western intervention??? Such rationalising is probably beyond usmarine...

i love how you use alternate words and eloquent rambling to insult people.

i know what my sources tell me, you stick to the bbc lulz.  silly ginger.

FEOS wrote:

That's not the point. The area belongs to and is internationally recognized as part of Georgia. Russia has taken the land. Land taken in a military operation cannot be held after hostilities are finished. Therefore, Russia must give Ossetia and Abkhazia and any other land in Georgia taken during these operations back to Georgia after hostilities are finished. So what will Russia have gained if they are required to give the land back?

Was Kosovo not internationally recognised as part of Serbia? Why do you disregard the South Ossetian war of independence following the collapse of the USSR? Do they not count as a 'nation without a nation', like the Kurds for instance? What is the guarantee Georgia won't steamroll into Abkhazia and South Ossetia with their troops against the wishes of the indigenous peoples there? They attempted it while Russian troops were there - they'll be more likely to do so with no impediment whatsoever. I think too many people are viewing this through an uninformed anti-Russia prism here. The Russians were woefully heavy-handed and excessive and sought to 'teach a lesson' and 'restore national pride in the face of NATO inroads' but I see they did not make territorial claims on non-Abkhaz, non-Ossetian Georgian territory - they have concluded the operations triggered by the Georgian actions a few days ago without taking Tbilisi or any other Georgian city. Why does no one care that the Abkhazians and Ossetians don't want to be ruled by Georgia?

PS Georgia never had control over Abkhazia or South Ossetia - only under the soviet regime did they excercise any control over them and even at that the two regions were semi-autonomous (for a reason evidently).

PPS Don't get me wrong here - Russia's heavy-handedness, stubborness and excessive show of might worry me as much Israeli heavy-handedness does and American 'regime change' exercises in distant countries do. In all cases it amounts to strong nations doing whatever they want without any consequences whatsoever. Russia have stated that they want a peace deal to include a provision that Saakashvili be ousted from office: that's way out of line in my book.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-08-12 07:09:12)

FEOS wrote:

And now, according to international law, everything has to go right back to the way it was beforehand. Status quo.

The status quo being Russian peacekeeping forces in self-governed Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

And now, according to international law, everything has to go right back to the way it was beforehand. Status quo.

The status quo being Russian peacekeeping forces in self-governed Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Cam, its not fair to criticize American foreign policy and then condone an illegitimate occupation by the russian army.

the only people that recognize the independence of those two areas in question are the russians.

one might argue that independence for Abkhazia and the dirty souf ossetia is just another russian land grab.

God Save the Queen wrote:

one might argue that independence for Abkhazia and the dirty souf ossetia is just another russian land grab.

Well neither people want to be part of Georgia, both have inhabited the region since time immemorial and both have distinct linguistic and cultural identities, so what do you suggest?