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I still say that willie pete shit in fallujah is bullshit.  I was there and I didnt see anything like that.

Dilbert_X wrote:

A summary execution is capturing someone, then killing them in the street without a trial (a la Nazi Germany and Jews).

A targeted assassination is taking a specific person out (usually high-ranking, as opposed to the above) for a specific reason, sanctioned by the government, usually by a court.

So in both cases they are summarily killed without a fair trial.
I fail to see a significant difference, they are both war crimes.
For your reading enjoyment
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/969126.html
http://www.btselem.org/English/Publicat … cution.asp
http://www.btselem.org/English/Publicat … soners.asp

Anything from an objective source? Or do you just look for sources you know will support your claims?

Nevermind. I already know the answer.

Dilbert_X wrote:

I guess it's OK that Hamas' basic strategy involved violating the GC and  sacrificing Palestinian civilians so they can make Israel look bad

And where did you get this nugget from?
Since when were you remotely concerned about trivia like the GC?

Since always.

Dilbert_X wrote:

VC acted in a similar manner to Hamas, intermingling their military infrastructure with civilian infrastructure, making civilian casualties a certainty...and violating the GC while they were at it.

It was their country, the Americans were the invaders, why shouldn't they be allowed to do what they wanted in their own country?

Jesus Christ you need to read. The VC were an insurgent group trying to overthrow the S. Vietnamese government and install a communist government in its place.

The US showed up at the request of the S. Vietnamese govt. Hardly "invaders".

Dilbert_X wrote:

Fallujah - US Snipers purposely targeting women and old men, dropping white phos on civilians etc.

We've covered the WP issue ad nauseum, and you still can't prove that it was intended as anything other than it's legal employment.

As for your sniper claim: put up or shut up.

Dilbert_X wrote:

The numbers aren't evidence of intent.

As I said already, intent is irrelevant, the relative numbers of civilians killed by each side demonstrate more than a few words here and there.

Yes, you've already said it. Repeating it doesn't make it less wrong.

Dilbert_X wrote:

No, you're not. If you were, you would recognize Hamas' gross violations of the GC. You don't.

Hamas are a militia.
If China invaded the US would all the 2nd amendment nutballs all go out and camp in a big tent with 'Militia Here' embroidered on the top or would they hide out amongst the civilians?
America created the concept of backwoodsmen, irregular militia, fighting without uniforms etc, they should quit griping when others apply it.

Hamas is the elected government of Gaza. As such, they are bound by international law WRT military forces. They aren't a militia...if they were, they would have recognizable uniforms and abide by international law. They fail on both counts.

If hiding out among the civilians resulted in hundreds/thousands of those civilians being killed? No, they wouldn't.

Those tactics were used long before international laws made them illegal. You know, those laws you always point to when making your arguments against the US and Israel? When are you just going to admit your double standards?

Dilbert_X wrote:

In order for Israel to defend its citizens against Hamas, it has to attack Hamas militant infrastructure, which Hamas has embedded in the civilian infrastructure.

Or they could just withdraw to their 1967 borders as required by international law and remove their illegal settlements.

So Israel's occupation of those lands justifies Hamas' actions? Seriously?

Dilbert_X wrote:

You're completely missing the point, and you will continue to purposefully miss the point because it doesn't mesh with your position.

The point is the evidence at hand is totally at variance with your position that Israel attempts tp avoid civilian casualties and Hamas 'nearly exclusively' target civilians.

Your stats (vice evidence) is not at all at variance with that position. Again, the proof of the position is INTENT, nothing else. Hamas INTENTIONALLY targets Israeli civilians and INTENTIONALLY puts their own at risk. Israel INTENDS to target Hamas exclusively, but due to Hamas' violation of international law, cannot respond to Hamas' actions without UNINTENTIONALLY hurting civilians.