Cybargs
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Calls heard for a ban as world records are shattered.

The 2008 Olympics have barely begun, and already eight records in swimming have tumbled. Some are not just falling, but being broken by improbable margins. In the men's 4x100m relay, for instance, the record was smashed by an astounding four seconds. In April, at the world championships in Manchester England, eight more records were broken.

All these record-breaking swimmers had one thing in common. They were wearing Speedo's new swimsuit, the "Fastskin" LZR Racer.

The LZR Racer breathes high tech. Speedo designed the suit with input from NASA, ran tests on more than 100 different fabrics, and conducted body scans of world-class swimmers. The ultra-thin suit material repels water, reduces muscle oscillations, and lowers hydrodynamic drag by up to 10%. The individual panels are ultrasonically welded together, rather than stitched. Speedo even claims it increases a swimmer's oxygen efficiency. It can take 30 minutes for a swimmer to struggle into it and, once on, shoehorns the body into a more aerodynamic shape.

The first time the suit was put on in an official meet, three world records were broken.

Many would say Speedo's breakthrough product has an undeniable benefit. But it also has its detractors. It is rumored to add buoyancy, something which would break competitive rules. It's also very expensive -- $500 apiece, and professional swimmers must replace it every 10th swim.

Worse, many teams and individual swimmers have contractual obligations which bar them from wearing the Racer. According to some, this gives an unfair competitive advantage. Alberto Castagnetti, coach of the Italian swim team -- which wears a rival brand -- calls the suit "technological doping". Australian coach Forbes Carlisle has written an open letter calling for it to be banned outright.

Speedo VP Stuart Isaac says technological progress aiding to break records is a natural process. "That’s the nature of sport, whether it’s tennis rackets or golf clubs or new running shoes or the composition of running tracks".

Kirsty Coventry of Zimbabwe, who was wearing the LZR Racer today when she broke the world record in the women's 100-meter backstroke, says swimming must keep up with technology. "It's a great suit. For me, putting the suit on, mentally, it's time to go fast". Michael Phelps, who also wears the suit, stands to win a cool $1 million from Speedo if he breaks the Olympic record of seven gold medals in swimming. He calls the suit a "rocket".

Advances in training and new swimming pool designs are also aiding the quest to break records. But none of these bears the controversy of Speedo's revolutionary baby. The suit was approved by FINA, the international body governing swimming, which says claims about added buoyancy are "unproven".  Heeding calls to ban the suit now would be considered arbitrary. Allowing other racers to wear the suit despite endorsement contracts would require other manufacturers to tacitly admit their products are inferior.

Certainly no decision will be made until after the 2008 Olympics end.  Until then, expect to see those on the podium wearing the familiar shark-colored swimsuit.
http://www.dailytech.com/Speedos+Techno … e12636.htm

Lolool Speedo ftw.
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God Save the Queen
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and ball room dancing is a sport
usmarine
Banned
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God Save the Queen wrote:

and ball room dancing is a sport
tug o war used to be an event.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7079|London, England
Well it's upto the regulators to analyse the suits and ban them if it infringes on rules. Seeing as they didn't obviously there isn't a problem. This is what I hate about the Olympics. The Olympics is not Formula 1. It's not about seeing how far you can stretch the rules using innovation. Right now the Olympics is all about who can drug themselves up the best without getting detected and who can shave off their time the most by wearing this and that. Which is quite lame.
God Save the Queen
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I dont think anything event whose winner is based solely on a judges score card should be considered a sport.
aerodynamic
FOCKING HELL
+241|6211|Roma
I would never wear one of those suits, you look like you have a vagina.
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Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7079|London, England

God Save the Queen wrote:

I dont think anything event whose winner is based solely on a judges score card should be considered a sport.
If it was upto me Olympics would be Athletics (Shot put/Javelin/Running etc..) and that's it
BlackKoala
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Mek-Stizzle wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

I dont think anything event whose winner is based solely on a judges score card should be considered a sport.
If it was upto me Olympics would be Athletics (Shot put/Javelin/Running etc..) and that's it
I don't mind the swimming, or soccer/basketball/volleyball, but GS is right - the judged events are way too easily biased.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7147|Tampa Bay Florida
It can't be legit unless everyone has the option to use the same suits.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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aerodynamic wrote:

I would never wear one of those suits, you look like you have a vagina.
Only if you lack external genitalia.

What's the issue with the suits? It's not like they aren't available to everyone who is competing. Does anyone here really think Phelps wouldn't have crushed everyone else if they were all wearing plum-smugglers?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6945|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)
They train at high altitudes and drink rams piss.
AnaalDuck
Lfc Are Crap
+14|6935|Liverpool, England
Steds tbh
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7079|London, England

FEOS wrote:

aerodynamic wrote:

I would never wear one of those suits, you look like you have a vagina.
Only if you lack external genitalia.

What's the issue with the suits? It's not like they aren't available to everyone who is competing. Does anyone here really think Phelps wouldn't have crushed everyone else if they were all wearing plum-smugglers?
What's the difference between wearing a performance enhancing suit and taking performance enhancing drugs? Both are quite un natural and against the "spirit" of the games (not that there has ever been that, but still)

Where does the buck stop? Soon you'll be getting nanotechnology and all that bionic shit coming into it. Then it'll be truly fucked.
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6801|tropical regions of london
why dont we ban shoes for track and field.  it provides competetors with an unnatural edge.  marathon was barefoot.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7147|Tampa Bay Florida
Why don't they just swim naked
Cybargs
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If everyone gets to wear the suit, then no problem IMO. Should be equal opportunity, sponsor or no sponsor.
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CoronadoSEAL
pics or it didn't happen
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i think it's BS -
they players aren't getting any better or more skillful, they are just coming up with new technologies.  this isn't the science fair -- imo, banana hammocks only. 

friggin Olympics -- anything for ratings these days

Last edited by CoronadoSEAL (2008-08-12 12:04:47)

SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6945|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)

Spearhead wrote:

Why don't they just swim naked
Your junk would act like a rudder and send you into another lane!
BlackKoala
Member
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Mek-Stizzle wrote:

FEOS wrote:

aerodynamic wrote:

I would never wear one of those suits, you look like you have a vagina.
Only if you lack external genitalia.

What's the issue with the suits? It's not like they aren't available to everyone who is competing. Does anyone here really think Phelps wouldn't have crushed everyone else if they were all wearing plum-smugglers?
What's the difference between wearing a performance enhancing suit and taking performance enhancing drugs? Both are quite un natural and against the "spirit" of the games (not that there has ever been that, but still)

Where does the buck stop? Soon you'll be getting nanotechnology and all that bionic shit coming into it. Then it'll be truly fucked.
And I bet the alternative to that suit is better than it's predecessor as well.

Technology advances, are you going to tell the softball players they need to use bats from 1896?  No, because bat technology advances every year.

What about soccer?  I bet they wear the same cleats they had in 1896!!!  Or discus, I'm sure they still throw round stones. 

Point being, a new swim suit is nothing to draw the line at.
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|7007|UK

aerodynamic wrote:

I would never wear one of those suits, you look like you have a can see my vagina.
Indeed
CoronadoSEAL
pics or it didn't happen
+207|6976|USA
oooh ooooh, here's another ratings boost:
http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/news?s … ;type=lgns
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7147|Tampa Bay Florida

SgtHeihn wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Why don't they just swim naked
Your junk would act like a rudder and send you into another lane!
Not if you alternated hands every time you fapped, it'd hang straight down the middle

Last edited by Spearhead (2008-08-12 12:11:33)

wensleydale8
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i think it would be funnier if they were chased by a real shark maybe then they would beat more records?
Dear God please let my karma one day reach 100, whether it be tomorrow or 1000 years in the future i want it to happen.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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Mek-Stizzle wrote:

FEOS wrote:

aerodynamic wrote:

I would never wear one of those suits, you look like you have a vagina.
Only if you lack external genitalia.

What's the issue with the suits? It's not like they aren't available to everyone who is competing. Does anyone here really think Phelps wouldn't have crushed everyone else if they were all wearing plum-smugglers?
What's the difference between wearing a performance enhancing suit and taking performance enhancing drugs? Both are quite un natural and against the "spirit" of the games (not that there has ever been that, but still)

Where does the buck stop? Soon you'll be getting nanotechnology and all that bionic shit coming into it. Then it'll be truly fucked.
Biggest difference is that performance-enhancing drugs are illegal and swimsuit technology isn't.

To take your "natural" argument to an extreme, any body-shaving, training, clothing or shoes should be outlawed, as it may give one athlete an advantage over another.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7079|London, England
That's the debate. Why is it that performing enhancing drugs that greatly improve performance are illegal, yet this isn't. What's the difference? It's not about what's illegal and what's not, it's about what's right and what isn't. Two different things.

Also your last bit about shoes and all that, it's not quite the same. That's on the same level as having a healthy diet/eating the right vegetables etc.. there are small things like that, then there are big things like performance enhancing drugs and special swimsuits that shave off whole seconds.

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