nehalem and vista 64bit question

2008-08-13 14:49:07

#1

Pete: Member; +3|6808

Hi

I wanted to wait for these new nehalem cpus and go for an x58 mobo and ddr3. Although after reading about it am not sure about the following

When does nehalem actually release?
Does X58 release at the same time?
Is it true that rather than 2/4GB you need to go in 3s? As in 3/6GB? I read that was to do with the nehalem cpu.

Similarly I have been toyin with just waiting that out untill prices settle. I read that the cheapest nehalem will actually be fairly reasonable ($300ish). But if X48 is anything to go buy, the X58 boards wont be cheap, and DDR3 still costs a bit too much for my tastes.

So assuming I just wait and go with a DDR2, and say a Q6600 system for now. My other question is do I need 4GB of RAM (DDR2) in order to run a 64bit operating system? Or will 2 be enough?

2008-08-13 14:52:07

#2

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|7000|St. Andrews / Oslo

Nehalem should be released around Christmas.
Think so.
Never heard that before.
DDR3 will fall in price.
4GB is not needed but I would go for it.

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2008-08-13 14:52:07

#3

Sydney: 2λчиэλ; +783|7111|Reykjavík, Iceland.

64 bit operating systems don't need more RAM, they are just capable of using more.

2008-08-13 14:56:30

#4

max: Vela Incident; +1,652|6835|NYC / Hamburg

Jenspm wrote:
Nehalem should be released around Christmas.
Think so.
Never heard that before. - Nethalem has a tri-channel memory controller. To get optimal performance you'll have to use 3 or 6 sticks of ram
DDR3 will fall in price.
4GB is not needed but I would go for it.

qft and added info

Last edited by max (2008-08-13 14:57:00)

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2008-08-13 15:01:12

#5

DUnlimited: got any popo lolo intersting?; +1,160|6731|cuntshitlake

Sydney wrote:
64 bit operating systems don't need more RAM, they are just capable of using more.

Vista however eats more ram than XP. So if you go Vista 64-bit, get 4gb, if any else OS, you'll be fine with 2gb.

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2008-08-13 15:03:11

#6

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7034|Cambridge (UK)

Pete wrote:
Is it true that rather than 2/4GB you need to go in 3s? As in 3/6GB?

You won't need to use 3 dimms, but, from what I've read, it would appear Nehalem wil support tri-channel (like dual-channel, only 3 instead of 2) RAM.

Pretty sure I've seen something about it supporting quad-channel (4) too.

Grrr... damn you max.... why does someone else (almost) always get in before me?

Ah... here we go:

Integrated memory controller supporting DDR3 SDRAM and between one and six memory channels

(also see table at bottom of wikipedia page)

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2008-08-13 15:08:04)

2008-08-13 15:05:52

#7

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|7000|St. Andrews / Oslo

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Pete wrote:
Is it true that rather than 2/4GB you need to go in 3s? As in 3/6GB?
You won't need to use 3 dimms, but, from what I've read, it would appear Nehalem wil support tri-channel (like dual-channel, only 3 instead of 2) RAM.

Pretty sure I've seen something about it supporting quad-channel (4) too.

Grrr... damn you max.... why does someone else (almost) always get in before me?

I assume the 3 channel & 4 channel wouldn't be supported on the same mobo?

2008-08-13 15:09:12

#8

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7034|Cambridge (UK)

Jenspm wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Pete wrote:
Is it true that rather than 2/4GB you need to go in 3s? As in 3/6GB?
You won't need to use 3 dimms, but, from what I've read, it would appear Nehalem wil support tri-channel (like dual-channel, only 3 instead of 2) RAM.

Pretty sure I've seen something about it supporting quad-channel (4) too.

Grrr... damn you max.... why does someone else (almost) always get in before me?
I assume the 3 channel & 4 channel wouldn't be supported on the same mobo?

No reason why not.

Just like a dual-channel mobo can run in mono-channel, if you so desire.

See also my edit in previous post for more info...

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2008-08-13 15:09:52)

2008-08-13 15:11:01

#9

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|7000|St. Andrews / Oslo

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:

You won't need to use 3 dimms, but, from what I've read, it would appear Nehalem wil support tri-channel (like dual-channel, only 3 instead of 2) RAM.

Pretty sure I've seen something about it supporting quad-channel (4) too.

Grrr... damn you max.... why does someone else (almost) always get in before me?
I assume the 3 channel & 4 channel wouldn't be supported on the same mobo?
No reason why not.

Just like a dual-channel mobo can run in mono-channel, if you so desire.

See also my edit in previous post for more info...

wait, between one and six on the same board?

that's pretty sweet.

2008-08-13 15:12:35

#10

max: Vela Incident; +1,652|6835|NYC / Hamburg

I'm sure that nehalem has a tri-channel controller only. You can however use 4 dimms in tri-channel mode somehow

EDIT: never mind

Last edited by max (2008-08-13 15:14:04)

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2008-08-13 15:28:40

#11

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7034|Cambridge (UK)

Jenspm wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Jenspm wrote:

I assume the 3 channel & 4 channel wouldn't be supported on the same mobo?
No reason why not.

Just like a dual-channel mobo can run in mono-channel, if you so desire.

See also my edit in previous post for more info...
wait, between one and six on the same board?

that's pretty sweet.

Well, we won't know anything for absolutely sure until the chips and mobos are actually out (NOTE: according to that wikipedia page, different nehalem models will have different feature sets).

2008-08-13 15:53:08

#12

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6721|The Twilight Zone

max wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
Nehalem should be released around Christmas.
Think so.
Never heard that before. - Nethalem has a tri-channel memory controller. To get optimal performance you'll have to use 3 or 6 sticks of ram
DDR3 will fall in price.
4GB is not needed but I would go for it.
qft and added info

6 sticks? Will X58 have 6 memory slots or what?

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2008-08-13 15:57:53

#13

max: Vela Incident; +1,652|6835|NYC / Hamburg

Not all manufacturers are going to put on 6 slots, but some will

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2008-08-13 16:01:49

#14

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6721|The Twilight Zone

So why does it have tri-channel memory controller? It doesn't make sense does it? Now you will have to buy 2x2GB+1GB of ram. No dual channel.

2008-08-13 16:03:57

#15

max: Vela Incident; +1,652|6835|NYC / Hamburg

No one is forcing you to run tri-channel. You can still use 2 sticks for dual channel

Last edited by max (2008-08-13 16:04:18)

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2008-08-13 16:07:45

#16

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6721|The Twilight Zone

I know but ofc I want to use my CPU to full potential. But this way I won't be cos there won't be any dual channel.

2008-08-13 16:15:56

#17

max: Vela Incident; +1,652|6835|NYC / Hamburg

so what exactly are you complaining about? I'm confused

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2008-08-13 16:18:11

#18

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6721|The Twilight Zone

Its either using tri-channel memory controller to its full potential or dual channel but not both.

2008-08-13 16:52:37

#19

Bell: Frosties > Cornflakes; +362|6817|UK

I'd go with the DDR2, Q6600 system for now. It's hardly going to strugle and buying the new hardware as it's released isnt always the best idea, not simply because of cost, but the teething problems that can happen.

Less you have the time ofcourse.

2008-08-15 21:15:54

#20

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7034|Cambridge (UK)

.Sup wrote:
Its either using tri-channel memory controller to its full potential or dual channel but not both.

I don't see the problem either.

If you want tri-channel, buy 3x2GB.

If you can't afford 3x2GB, buy 2x2GB and run 'em dual-channel.

If you can't afford 2x2GB, buy 3x1GB and run 'em tri-channel.

If you can't afford 3x1GB, buy 2x1GB and run 'em dual-channel.

If you can't afford 2x1GB, just get 1x1GB.

And with later boards supporting 6-channel, you may be able to upgrade from 1xNGB all the way up to 6xNGB getting a step-up in channelness with each upgrade...

2008-08-15 22:49:33

#21

Naturn: Deeds, not words.; +311|6873|Greenwood, IN

I've made the decision to switch over to Intel when their i7 chips are released. However what i've yet to see is any motherboard previews. Just the X58 chipsets. I want to see some from ASUS or eVGA put on the chopping blocks of the preview/review web sites. That is whats going to determine what manufacture i'm going to buy. I personally have 4GBs of DDR2 memory and will buy another set of 2GBs to make the tri channel. But I suspect that you can also use Dual Channel mode too.

2008-08-16 02:35:05

#22

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6721|The Twilight Zone

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
.Sup wrote:
Its either using tri-channel memory controller to its full potential or dual channel but not both.
I don't see the problem either.

If you want tri-channel, buy 3x2GB.

If you can't afford 3x2GB, buy 2x2GB and run 'em dual-channel.

If you can't afford 2x2GB, buy 3x1GB and run 'em tri-channel.

If you can't afford 3x1GB, buy 2x1GB and run 'em dual-channel.

If you can't afford 2x1GB, just get 1x1GB.

And with later boards supporting 6-channel, you may be able to upgrade from 1xNGB all the way up to 6xNGB getting a step-up in channelness with each upgrade...

Its not about affording or not. He said to use the CPU or controller to full potential you must use either 3 sticks or 6. 3 stick is not dual channel is it now. Now a mobo with 6 ram slots will be available-that might be dual channel but 6gb will not be used in Windows well or 6x512 probably wont work well either.

2008-08-16 06:31:05

#23

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6849|SE London

Sydney wrote:
64 bit operating systems don't need more RAM, they are just capable of using more.

Yes they do.....

Using a 64-bit OS (taking Vista as an example here) only become more efficient when using 4GB. Otherwise it is less efficient since 64-bit instructions are longer and take up more memory space.

It's only barely more efficient with 4GB. If you're not going to run 4GB memory, then a 64-bit platform is a bad idea.

2008-08-16 06:36:46

#24

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6849|SE London

.Sup wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:
.Sup wrote:
Its either using tri-channel memory controller to its full potential or dual channel but not both.
I don't see the problem either.

If you want tri-channel, buy 3x2GB.

If you can't afford 3x2GB, buy 2x2GB and run 'em dual-channel.

If you can't afford 2x2GB, buy 3x1GB and run 'em tri-channel.

If you can't afford 3x1GB, buy 2x1GB and run 'em dual-channel.

If you can't afford 2x1GB, just get 1x1GB.

And with later boards supporting 6-channel, you may be able to upgrade from 1xNGB all the way up to 6xNGB getting a step-up in channelness with each upgrade...
Its not about affording or not. He said to use the CPU or controller to full potential you must use either 3 sticks or 6. 3 stick is not dual channel is it now. Now a mobo with 6 ram slots will be available-that might be dual channel but 6gb will not be used in Windows well or 6x512 probably wont work well either.

What are you on about? It's purely beneficial. There is no disadvantage in having tri-channel support. If you have 2 sticks, run dual-channel. Running tri-channel will obviously be better though. Why wouldn't 6GB be used well in Windows? It can quite comfortably use 6GB, unless you're not running a 64-bit version, in which case you can't properly address 4GB, certainly not 6.

Why should 6x512MB not work well? What is your reasoning behind making these statements?

2008-08-16 06:51:52

#25

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6465|Winland

Bertster7 wrote:
.Sup wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:

I don't see the problem either.

If you want tri-channel, buy 3x2GB.

If you can't afford 3x2GB, buy 2x2GB and run 'em dual-channel.

If you can't afford 2x2GB, buy 3x1GB and run 'em tri-channel.

If you can't afford 3x1GB, buy 2x1GB and run 'em dual-channel.

If you can't afford 2x1GB, just get 1x1GB.

And with later boards supporting 6-channel, you may be able to upgrade from 1xNGB all the way up to 6xNGB getting a step-up in channelness with each upgrade...
Its not about affording or not. He said to use the CPU or controller to full potential you must use either 3 sticks or 6. 3 stick is not dual channel is it now. Now a mobo with 6 ram slots will be available-that might be dual channel but 6gb will not be used in Windows well or 6x512 probably wont work well either.
What are you on about? It's purely beneficial. There is no disadvantage in having tri-channel support. If you have 2 sticks, run dual-channel. Running tri-channel will obviously be better though. Why wouldn't 6GB be used well in Windows? It can quite comfortably use 6GB, unless you're not running a 64-bit version, in which case you can't properly address 4GB, certainly not 6.

Why should 6x512MB not work well? What is your reasoning behind making these statements?

I agree with Bert.

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