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2008-08-13 17:09:16
13rin
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Turquoise wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

What do ya'll propose we do?  The US and Georgia are allies.  It's kinda what allies do.

@chef:
How about some "Putin need to be tried for war crimes and this is illegal and illegitimate war!  It's about the Oil!" statements.
Agreed...  Compared to the invasion of Iraq, this is a legitimate case for intervention.  Besides, fighting Russia would be more like us picking on someone our own size.  I'm not eager to enter WW3, but we need to take an aggressive stance towards Russia because we don't want to set the precedent that this shit is ok for them to pull.
There it is.  The bear is waking back up.  The rest of the world looks away.  Now would be the time for the EU and others to step up.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
2008-08-13 17:17:04
usmarine
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MGS3_GrayFox wrote:

20 soldiers killed, boo fucking hoo).
need moar dead ricans tbh
2008-08-13 17:17:41
FEOS
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IRONCHEF wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Volunteering help to assist in a humanitarian crisis is now provocative and leading to WWIII.

/facepalm
Clearly you've learned nothing from Secretary Pelt after the rogue Captain Ramius fled mother Russia with the Red October:
Jeffrey Pelt: It would be well for your government to consider that having your ships and ours, your aircraft and ours, in such proximity... is inherently DANGEROUS. Wars have begun that way, Mr. Ambassador.
So we base our foreign policy decisions on lines from movies now?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2008-08-13 17:40:20
nukchebi0
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Russia's hypocrisy really precludes them from any consideration of being in the 'right'.
2008-08-13 18:01:36
KEN-JENNINGS
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sergeriver wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Vladimir Putin is not that stupid (to create international conflict and probably isolate many of his political allies outside of his country) and there is nothing to be gained by the US in going to war with Russia - we already are the sole superpower.
What if GWB is?
Unlike Putin, GWB hasn't consolidated power for himself and his party and rule with an iron fist.
2008-08-13 18:05:35
sergeriver
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Vladimir Putin is not that stupid (to create international conflict and probably isolate many of his political allies outside of his country) and there is nothing to be gained by the US in going to war with Russia - we already are the sole superpower.
What if GWB is?
Unlike Putin, GWB hasn't consolidated power for himself and his party and rule with an iron fist.
No, he just started a war that took the price of oil to the sky.  And don't play the India and China demand card.
2008-08-13 18:09:43
Kmar
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You think the drastically increasing demand from emerging economies with a billion+ people is a card?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-08-13 18:10:28
sergeriver
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Kmarion wrote:

You think the drastically increasing demand from emerging economies with a billion+ people is a card?
Pretty much.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 46_pf.html

Stiglitz wrote:

This war has been particularly hard on the economy because it led to a spike in oil prices. Before the 2003 invasion, oil cost less than $25 a barrel, and futures markets expected it to remain around there. (Yes, China and India were growing by leaps and bounds, but cheap supplies from the Middle East were expected to meet their demands.) The war changed that equation, and oil prices recently topped $100 per barrel.
If Joseph Stiglitz thinks so...

Last edited by sergeriver (2008-08-13 18:17:41)

2008-08-13 18:19:11
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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And exactly how has the war done anything to affect supply or throughput?

Nothing, that's how.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2008-08-13 18:20:32
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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It's Joseph Stiglitz saying that, you know...
2008-08-13 18:21:58
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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And? That somehow changes the facts?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2008-08-13 18:22:56
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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Maybe it does, he won the Nobel prize.  And I trust him.
2008-08-13 18:23:30
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

You think the drastically increasing demand from emerging economies with a billion+ people is a card?
Pretty much.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 46_pf.html

Stiglitz wrote:

This war has been particularly hard on the economy because it led to a spike in oil prices. Before the 2003 invasion, oil cost less than $25 a barrel, and futures markets expected it to remain around there. (Yes, China and India were growing by leaps and bounds, but cheap supplies from the Middle East were expected to meet their demands.) The war changed that equation, and oil prices recently topped $100 per barrel.
If Joseph Stiglitz thinks so...
Joseph Stiglitz is an idiot. There has never been a demand problem. There isn't going to be for.. um .. about two and a half decades from now.

IAEA Oil fact sheet
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-08-13 18:25:05
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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sergeriver wrote:

Maybe it does, he won the Nobel prize.  And I trust him.
Carter won the Nobel Peace Prize and he is the one who made it official US policy to go into the ME and bomb the shit out of people who messed with our oil supply. Hitler was also nominated, so I remain unimpressed.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-08-13 18:25:45
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6831|'Murka

sergeriver wrote:

Maybe it does, he won the Nobel prize.  And I trust him.
So did Al Gore.

And Yasser Arafat.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2008-08-13 18:26:04
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7178|Argentina

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

You think the drastically increasing demand from emerging economies with a billion+ people is a card?
Pretty much.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 46_pf.html

Stiglitz wrote:

This war has been particularly hard on the economy because it led to a spike in oil prices. Before the 2003 invasion, oil cost less than $25 a barrel, and futures markets expected it to remain around there. (Yes, China and India were growing by leaps and bounds, but cheap supplies from the Middle East were expected to meet their demands.) The war changed that equation, and oil prices recently topped $100 per barrel.
If Joseph Stiglitz thinks so...
Joseph Stiglitz is an idiot. There has never been a demand problem. There isn't going to be for.. um .. about two and a half decades from now.

IAEA Oil fact sheet
I trust Stiglitz better than a non signed paper from the Int. Energy Agency.
2008-08-13 18:27:19
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Maybe it does, he won the Nobel prize.  And I trust him.
Carter won the Nobel Peace Prize and he is the one who made it official US policy to go into the ME and bomb the shit out of people who messed with our oil supply. Hitler was also nominated, so I remain unimpressed.

FEOS wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Maybe it does, he won the Nobel prize.  And I trust him.
So did Al Gore.

And Yasser Arafat.
For Economy?
2008-08-13 18:28:47
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7021|132 and Bush

FEOS wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Maybe it does, he won the Nobel prize.  And I trust him.
So did Al Gore.

And Yasser Arafat.
And Stalin.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-08-13 18:29:41
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7178|Argentina
Economy = keyword
2008-08-13 18:29:51
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7021|132 and Bush

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

You think the drastically increasing demand from emerging economies with a billion+ people is a card?
Pretty much.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 46_pf.html


If Joseph Stiglitz thinks so...
Joseph Stiglitz is an idiot. There has never been a demand problem. There isn't going to be for.. um .. about two and a half decades from now.

IAEA Oil fact sheet
I trust Stiglitz better than a non signed paper from the Int. Energy Agency.
Really, your not trusting the IAEA now?


This is going to be useful information later.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-08-13 18:30:46
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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sergeriver wrote:

Economy = keyword
Do you want to address my point about Carter?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-08-13 18:30:48
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Joseph Stiglitz is an idiot. There has never been a demand problem. There isn't going to be for.. um .. about two and a half decades from now.

IAEA Oil fact sheet
I trust Stiglitz better than a non signed paper from the Int. Energy Agency.
Really, your not trusting the IAEA now?


This is going to be useful information later.
You said Stiglitz is an idiot and that's even better.

Last edited by sergeriver (2008-08-13 18:31:08)

2008-08-13 18:32:15
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7021|132 and Bush

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


I trust Stiglitz better than a non signed paper from the Int. Energy Agency.
Really, your not trusting the IAEA now?


This is going to be useful information later.
You said Stiglitz is and idiot and that's even better.
Do you think that we have had a supply problem since the 70's?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-08-13 18:32:18
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7178|Argentina

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Economy = keyword
Do you want to address my point about Carter?
I did, he didn't win a Nobel Prize for Economy, he won the Peace Nobel Prize.
2008-08-13 18:33:20
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7178|Argentina

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Really, your not trusting the IAEA now?


This is going to be useful information later.
You said Stiglitz is and idiot and that's even better.
Do you think that we have had a supply problem since the 70's?
Define we.

 

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