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2008-08-13 18:35:07
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Economy = keyword
Do you want to address my point about Carter?
I did, he didn't win a Nobel Prize for Economy, he won the Peace Nobel Prize.

Carter wrote:

Let our position be absolutely clear: An attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests (aka Oil) of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force.
Blood for oil much? Sure. Here is your peace prize Mr.Carter.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-08-13 18:36:49
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Do you want to address my point about Carter?
I did, he didn't win a Nobel Prize for Economy, he won the Peace Nobel Prize.

Carter wrote:

Let our position be absolutely clear: An attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests (aka Oil) of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force.
Blood for oil much? Sure. Here is your peace prize Mr.Carter.
Ok, your point?  How did we shift to Carter from Stiglitz?
2008-08-13 18:37:57
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


You said Stiglitz is and idiot and that's even better.
Do you think that we have had a supply problem since the 70's?
Define we.
Shouldn't it be implied that I meant the United States? Weren't you attacking GWB?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-08-13 18:40:15
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Do you think that we have had a supply problem since the 70's?
Define we.
Shouldn't it be implied that I meant the United States? Weren't you attacking GWB?
I just pointed out the guy started a war that increased the price of oil 6 times.  Am I wrong?  Maybe.  Is Joseph Stiglitz wrong?  Don't think so.
2008-08-13 18:41:47
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I did, he didn't win a Nobel Prize for Economy, he won the Peace Nobel Prize.

Carter wrote:

Let our position be absolutely clear: An attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests (aka Oil) of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force.
Blood for oil much? Sure. Here is your peace prize Mr.Carter.
Ok, your point?  How did we shift to Carter from Stiglitz?
You used Nobel as credibility for an individual. I was explaining my loss of faith in the Nobel prize.

I used an internationally recognized neutral organization.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-08-13 18:45:28
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7021|132 and Bush

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Define we.
Shouldn't it be implied that I meant the United States? Weren't you attacking GWB?
I just pointed out the guy started a war that increased the price of oil 6 times.  Am I wrong?  Maybe.  Is Joseph Stiglitz wrong?  Don't think so.
You are entitled to think whatever you want. I simply gave reasoning for why his argument didn't make sense. To which your reply was "Nobel".
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-08-13 18:45:47
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I did, he didn't win a Nobel Prize for Economy, he won the Peace Nobel Prize.
Blood for oil much? Sure. Here is your peace prize Mr.Carter.
Ok, your point?  How did we shift to Carter from Stiglitz?
You used Nobel as credibility for an individual. I was explaining my loss of faith in the Nobel prize.

I used an internationally recognized neutral organization.
Now you compare the merits needed to win a Nobel Prize for Economy to the ones required to win the Peace Nobel prize?  Take a look at the people who won one and the other and you'll see they are different things.  Besides, Joseph Stiglitz isn't an idiot, even if he hadn't won a Nobel Prize.
2008-08-13 18:47:12
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
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Kmarion wrote:

You used Nobel as credibility for an individual. I was explaining my loss of faith in the Nobel prize.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_D._W … telligence

The Nobel Prize seems to be awarded for global awareness and specific breakthroughs, not for character or career.
2008-08-13 18:48:42
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Shouldn't it be implied that I meant the United States? Weren't you attacking GWB?
I just pointed out the guy started a war that increased the price of oil 6 times.  Am I wrong?  Maybe.  Is Joseph Stiglitz wrong?  Don't think so.
You are entitled to think whatever you want. I simply gave reasoning for why his argument didn't make sense. To which your reply was "Nobel".
We all know who Joseph Stiglitz is, but you are entitled to think he is an idiot, because a piece of unsigned paper says other thing than him.
2008-08-13 18:52:53
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7021|132 and Bush

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I just pointed out the guy started a war that increased the price of oil 6 times.  Am I wrong?  Maybe.  Is Joseph Stiglitz wrong?  Don't think so.
You are entitled to think whatever you want. I simply gave reasoning for why his argument didn't make sense. To which your reply was "Nobel".
We all know who Joseph Stiglitz is, but you are entitled to think he is an idiot, because a piece of unsigned paper says other thing than him.
Do you think there has been a supply problem?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-08-13 18:54:29
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

You used Nobel as credibility for an individual. I was explaining my loss of faith in the Nobel prize.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_D._W … telligence

The Nobel Prize seems to be awarded for global awareness and specific breakthroughs, not for character or career.
Setting the stage for three decades of middle east intervention was indeed a significant breakthrough.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-08-13 18:55:37
Parker
isteal
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Kmarion wrote:

my loss of faith in the Nobel prize.
https://techluver.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/al-gore.jpg
2008-08-13 18:57:20
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
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Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

You used Nobel as credibility for an individual. I was explaining my loss of faith in the Nobel prize.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_D._W … telligence

The Nobel Prize seems to be awarded for global awareness and specific breakthroughs, not for character or career.
Setting the stage for three decades of middle east intervention was indeed a significant breakthrough.
He won in it 2002 for promoting human rights.  That would be filed under "global awareness" I think.
2008-08-13 19:03:41
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_D._Watson#Statement_claiming_links_between_race_and_intelligence

The Nobel Prize seems to be awarded for global awareness and specific breakthroughs, not for character or career.
Setting the stage for three decades of middle east intervention was indeed a significant breakthrough.
He won in it 2002 for promoting human rights.  That would be filed under "global awareness" I think.
Nice, so we erase his past and give him an award while we were currently engaged in a conflict that has been produced it's own human rights problems. Short term memory ftl.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-08-13 19:08:58
MGS3_GrayFox
Member
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usmarine wrote:

MGS3_GrayFox wrote:

20 soldiers killed, boo fucking hoo).
need moar dead ricans tbh
I think that ricans are the only ones dying.
2008-08-13 19:10:10
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
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Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Setting the stage for three decades of middle east intervention was indeed a significant breakthrough.
He won in it 2002 for promoting human rights.  That would be filed under "global awareness" I think.
Nice, so we erase his past and give him an award while we were currently engaged in a conflict that has been produced it's own human rights problems. Short term memory ftl.
C'mon, the award's namesake was an explosives manufacturer.  I'm not saying they pick the best candidates, but they are fairly consistent with their choices.
2008-08-13 19:14:20
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7021|132 and Bush

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:


He won in it 2002 for promoting human rights.  That would be filed under "global awareness" I think.
Nice, so we erase his past and give him an award while we were currently engaged in a conflict that has been produced it's own human rights problems. Short term memory ftl.
C'mon, the award's namesake was an explosives manufacturer.  I'm not saying they pick the best candidates, but they are fairly consistent with their choices.
I know, but human rights? Carter supported and helped some of worlds most brutal leaders (Taliban, Tito, Ceausescu, Ortega, and Kim il-sung).
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-08-13 19:19:46
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6831|'Murka

Has Mr Stiglitz explained how a war that has not affected production one iota has somehow increased the cost of oil sixfold--that is, instead of increased global demand (to include the two countries that have 1/3 of the world's population)?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
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2008-08-13 20:20:26
Uzique
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When I first clicked this topic I thought it was going to be about a new exciting console from Nnintendoo.

True story.
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2008-08-13 20:59:44
Vax
Member
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Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Nice, so we erase his past and give him an award while we were currently engaged in a conflict that has been produced it's own human rights problems. Short term memory ftl.
C'mon, the award's namesake was an explosives manufacturer.  I'm not saying they pick the best candidates, but they are fairly consistent with their choices.
I know, but human rights? Carter supported and helped some of worlds most brutal leaders (Taliban, Tito, Ceausescu, Ortega, and Kim il-sung).
The Taliban ?
Major stretch imo.
2008-08-13 21:03:14
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6891
No no, he did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Cart … fghanistan
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2008-08-13 21:12:43
Vax
Member
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FEOS wrote:

Has Mr Stiglitz explained how a war that has not affected production one iota has somehow increased the cost of oil sixfold--that is, instead of increased global demand (to include the two countries that have 1/3 of the world's population)?
That article seemed more about using some hyperbole to get out out some views about the war than being factual about the economy. "3 trillion"..

Even most armchair pundits (like myself) know that the price of oil didn't explode because of the Iraq war alone.
2008-08-13 21:23:49
Vax
Member
+42|6272|Flyover country

Uzique wrote:

No no, he did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Cart … fghanistan
Taliban started around 1990, didn't rule the country until later, so I don't call it "helping them" 

I guess it's all the same thing though right ? Muj in the 80's = Taliban in the 90's.

Whatever
2008-08-13 21:37:09
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7021|132 and Bush

Vax wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

C'mon, the award's namesake was an explosives manufacturer.  I'm not saying they pick the best candidates, but they are fairly consistent with their choices.
I know, but human rights? Carter supported and helped some of worlds most brutal leaders (Taliban, Tito, Ceausescu, Ortega, and Kim il-sung).
The Taliban ?
Major stretch imo.
Not at all. We armed what would be the Taliban (The very same militants). Carter was responsible for the official intervention policy in middle eastern affairs.  The irony is the same people who complain about the US meddling don't see that. Of course lefties also hail Clinton and he made it official policy to remove Saddam.

Tito, Ceausescu, Ortega, and Kim il-sung were more "direct" connections.

Solution: Hate them all
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-08-13 21:45:09
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7052|949

Kmarion wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Nice, so we erase his past and give him an award while we were currently engaged in a conflict that has been produced it's own human rights problems. Short term memory ftl.
C'mon, the award's namesake was an explosives manufacturer.  I'm not saying they pick the best candidates, but they are fairly consistent with their choices.
I know, but human rights? Carter supported and helped some of worlds most brutal leaders (Taliban, Tito, Ceausescu, Ortega, and Kim il-sung).
See: Henry Kissinger.

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