DonFck
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Turquoise wrote:

The embargo doesn't prevent Cuba from trading with everyone else.
*cough* Helms-Burton *cough*

The act extended the territorial application of the initial embargo to apply to foreign companies trading with Cuba, and penalized foreign companies allegedly "trafficking" in property formerly owned by U.S. citizens but expropriated by Cuba after the Cuban revolution.
Very off-topic, I know.
I need around tree fiddy.
FEOS
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Dilbert_X wrote:

...and threaten to blow up poland
You mean in the same way the US has threatened to blow up Iran?
Yeah...except the US didn't threaten to blow up Iran.

So other than that...just like it.
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Uzique wrote:

FEOS wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

No, but you give him leverage.  The guy argued that all of Cuba's failures were the US fault and a lot of people bought it.
Says more about the intellect of those who bought it, tbh.
Please read the Cuban Democracy Act.

Clauses such as the one where the US navy can seize the cargo from any ship found around Cuban shores or in US waters? It's not as if the only effect of the US embargo was a loss of US trade exclusively (even though that loss did incur a 90% reduction in food and medicine aid)- you guys passed an Act that was so internationally-illegal that over 120 foreign states denounced it whilst the only backup you had in the matter was Israel. Which is pretty much like saying the administration of India agreed with British decisions made  circa ~1900.
So there's something wrong with the US inspecting and seizing cargo in its own territorial waters? Did international law and custom change while I was asleep or something?

Seen any reports of the US Navy actually seizing any cargo from any ships found "around Cuban shores"? I thought not.

Just how is it "internationally illegal"? Based on your purely objective information, of course.

Uzique wrote:

So let's not make any petty ad hominem arguments about each other's intellect.
If you buy into the concept that an embargo on US companies doing business with Cuba and, by extension, US goods going into Cuba, is somehow preventing Cuba from trading with the other couple of hundred countries in the world...then I guess the shoe fits.

Uzique wrote:

What makes you so well informed?
The same thing that apparently makes you so well informed.

Uzique wrote:

Not one single US paper covered the Cuban Democracy Act, nor did they mention anything about Operation MONGOOSE until the CIA documents became declassified- and even then they were tiny paragraph-long mentions several pages in. You're hardly objectively informed of every US foreign involvement, so I don't really see what puts you on an all-knowing pedastal which allows you to speak down on the statistics and facts that I myself have as research on the matter.
Plenty of papers in the US covered that Act. No, I'm not objectively informed of every US foreign involvement...but I suspect you aren't either. I'm not speaking down to your statistics, only the conclusions drawn from them. And then, I'm not speaking down to them, only disagreeing with them.
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Dilbert_X
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Yeah...except the US didn't threaten to blow up Iran.
And Russia hasn't threatened to blow up Poland.
Fuck Israel
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6831|'Murka

Dilbert_X wrote:

Yeah...except the US didn't threaten to blow up Iran.
And Russia hasn't threatened to blow up Poland.
Except for that whole "these sites are among the first targets we'll hit" (or words to that effect) thing.

If Russia had said "no options are off the table" in dealing with Poland, I would agree with you. They didn't. I don't.
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Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Yeah...except the US didn't threaten to blow up Iran.
And Russia hasn't threatened to blow up Poland.
Yes they did, one of the Russian Generals said that poland was a high class target and theses targets are destroyed first, or something along those lines.

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