BF2S Forums [MaximumPC] USB 3.0 Spec Review

Cool, +1 for the info, no more waiting for films to transfer onto the external HDD

Freezer7Pro wrote:

Current storage devices barely use all the USB 2.0 bandwidth. This is a tad overhyped. Nice pics, though.

So? It will still be faster than 2.0.

Freezer7Pro wrote:

.Sup wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

Current storage devices barely use all the USB 2.0 bandwidth. This is a tad overhyped. Nice pics, though.

So? It will still be faster than 2.0.

Yeah, more speed is always good, but optical technology is expensive, and if this comes with great increases in price, it's not gonna be worth it, seeing how a large majority of current USB devices won't use that bandwidth. It wouldn't surprise me if there were mobos delivered with one or two 3.0 ports, and the rest 2.0.

You say like you're still on USB 1.1. No device supported USB 2.0 when it was released but that soon changed. Now all devices support 2.0 as they will 3.0. Having both USB 2.0 and 3.0 controller would make the mobo more expensive but I won't be surprised if that really happens.

.Sup wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

.Sup wrote:

So? It will still be faster than 2.0.

Yeah, more speed is always good, but optical technology is expensive, and if this comes with great increases in price, it's not gonna be worth it, seeing how a large majority of current USB devices won't use that bandwidth. It wouldn't surprise me if there were mobos delivered with one or two 3.0 ports, and the rest 2.0.

You say like you're still on USB 1.1. No device supported USB 2.0 when it was released but that soon changed. Now all devices support 2.0 as they will 3.0. Having both USB 2.0 and 3.0 controller would make the mobo more expensive but I won't be surprised if that really happens.

You're pretty much forced to have both gens of controller on board, as backwards compatibility is one of the strong things of USB - it's truly universal. If all 1.1/2.0 devices would stop working, it would be a total flop.

USB 1.1 to 2.0 was an essential jump, increasing the bandwidth of a slow interface by a factor of 40, with near no additional costs. USB 3.0, however, is only increasing the bandwidth 6-10 times, at a cost that could be quite high, as optical technology is a lot more expensive than copper. Plus, USB 2.0 isn't even fully utilized by most pheripherals, and the ones that do need more bandwidth, can often operate on eSATA.

What I'm saying, is that USB 3.0 is something the market isn't ready for. In five years, devices will have started really requiring more bandwidth than 2.0 can offer, which would actually make 3.0 compatibility more than just a sticker.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2008-08-19 05:19:56)

Freezer7Pro wrote:

.Sup wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

Yeah, more speed is always good, but optical technology is expensive, and if this comes with great increases in price, it's not gonna be worth it, seeing how a large majority of current USB devices won't use that bandwidth. It wouldn't surprise me if there were mobos delivered with one or two 3.0 ports, and the rest 2.0.

You say like you're still on USB 1.1. No device supported USB 2.0 when it was released but that soon changed. Now all devices support 2.0 as they will 3.0. Having both USB 2.0 and 3.0 controller would make the mobo more expensive but I won't be surprised if that really happens.

You're pretty much forced to have both gens of controller on board, as backwards compatibility is one of the strong things of USB - it's truly universal. If all 1.1/2.0 devices would stop working, it would be a total flop.

USB 1.1 to 2.0 was an essential jump, increasing the bandwidth of a slow interface by a factor of 40, with near no additional costs. USB 3.0, however, is only increasing the bandwidth 6-10 times, at a cost that could be quite high, as optical technology is a lot more expensive than copper. Plus, USB 2.0 isn't even fully utilized by most pheripherals, and the ones that do need more bandwidth, can often operate on eSATA.

What I'm saying, is that USB 3.0 is something the market isn't ready for. In five years, devices will have started really requiring more bandwidth than 2.0 can offer, which would actually make 3.0 compatibility more than just a sticker.

PCI-E 3.0 will be out soon. And 2.0 isn't used to its full potential yet. Should they stop developing it? Technology goes forward whether we are ready for it or not and it should.

Defiance wrote:

.Sup wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

What I'm saying, is that USB 3.0 is something the market isn't ready for. In five years, devices will have started really requiring more bandwidth than 2.0 can offer, which would actually make 3.0 compatibility more than just a sticker.

PCI-E 3.0 will be out soon. And 2.0 isn't used to its full potential yet. Should they stop developing it? Technology goes forward whether we are ready for it or not and it should.

Releasing a hardware spec that is above and beyond what the actual hardware can do is nothing new.

Yes and the technology must go on whether we are ready or not.

.Sup wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

.Sup wrote:

You say like you're still on USB 1.1. No device supported USB 2.0 when it was released but that soon changed. Now all devices support 2.0 as they will 3.0. Having both USB 2.0 and 3.0 controller would make the mobo more expensive but I won't be surprised if that really happens.

You're pretty much forced to have both gens of controller on board, as backwards compatibility is one of the strong things of USB - it's truly universal. If all 1.1/2.0 devices would stop working, it would be a total flop.

USB 1.1 to 2.0 was an essential jump, increasing the bandwidth of a slow interface by a factor of 40, with near no additional costs. USB 3.0, however, is only increasing the bandwidth 6-10 times, at a cost that could be quite high, as optical technology is a lot more expensive than copper. Plus, USB 2.0 isn't even fully utilized by most pheripherals, and the ones that do need more bandwidth, can often operate on eSATA.

What I'm saying, is that USB 3.0 is something the market isn't ready for. In five years, devices will have started really requiring more bandwidth than 2.0 can offer, which would actually make 3.0 compatibility more than just a sticker.

PCI-E 3.0 will be out soon. And 2.0 isn't used to its full potential yet. Should they stop developing it? Technology goes forward whether we are ready for it or not and it should.

The thing is, that there is no market for USB 3.0, and risks of it bringing higher prices to USB units being quite high. It can't be compared to PCI-E, as that's only used for around 5% of the market, that consists of high-performance hardware. USB is in 95% instead, and many people aren't gonna wanna pay extra to get a standard that's so far above the needs right now. In five years, yes, but not now.

Freezer7Pro wrote:

The thing is, that there is no market for USB 3.0, and risks of it bringing higher prices to USB units being quite high. It can't be compared to PCI-E, as that's only used for around 5% of the market, that consists of high-performance hardware. USB is in 95% instead, and many people aren't gonna wanna pay extra to get a standard that's so far above the needs right now. In five years, yes, but not now.

Pushing USB 3.0 does not mean that manufacturers have to use it. Same goes for end users. Low price categories will go out the window just because of a new hardware spec.

Freezer7Pro wrote:

.Sup wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

You're pretty much forced to have both gens of controller on board, as backwards compatibility is one of the strong things of USB - it's truly universal. If all 1.1/2.0 devices would stop working, it would be a total flop.

USB 1.1 to 2.0 was an essential jump, increasing the bandwidth of a slow interface by a factor of 40, with near no additional costs. USB 3.0, however, is only increasing the bandwidth 6-10 times, at a cost that could be quite high, as optical technology is a lot more expensive than copper. Plus, USB 2.0 isn't even fully utilized by most pheripherals, and the ones that do need more bandwidth, can often operate on eSATA.

What I'm saying, is that USB 3.0 is something the market isn't ready for. In five years, devices will have started really requiring more bandwidth than 2.0 can offer, which would actually make 3.0 compatibility more than just a sticker.

PCI-E 3.0 will be out soon. And 2.0 isn't used to its full potential yet. Should they stop developing it? Technology goes forward whether we are ready for it or not and it should.

The thing is, that there is no market for USB 3.0, and risks of it bringing higher prices to USB units being quite high. It can't be compared to PCI-E, as that's only used for around 5% of the market, that consists of high-performance hardware. USB is in 95% instead, and many people aren't gonna wanna pay extra to get a standard that's so far above the needs right now. In five years, yes, but not now.

Seems to me you would like to stick with USB 2.0 forever?

max wrote:

Seeing as its backwards compatible, I see no problem. Cheap devices that don't use the 2.0 bandwidth fully can continue using that protocol, just like there is still loads of 1.1 hardware out there.

/thread

Freezer7Pro wrote:

.Sup wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

The thing is, that there is no market for USB 3.0, and risks of it bringing higher prices to USB units being quite high. It can't be compared to PCI-E, as that's only used for around 5% of the market, that consists of high-performance hardware. USB is in 95% instead, and many people aren't gonna wanna pay extra to get a standard that's so far above the needs right now. In five years, yes, but not now.

Seems to me you would like to stick with USB 2.0 forever?

I want to not be forced to buy USB 3.0 until there is technology that actually uses it. I don't wanna pay an extra 20€ for USB 3.0 until then.

I'm only writing this, assuming that the uptical interface of USB 3.0 will bring extra costs. If it's at the same price as 2.0, of course it should be integrated.

You wont be forced, I'm sure there will be mobos with USB 2.0 only. If I think like you I wouldn't be having the mobo I am having now. It came with a nice soundcard which probably cost me 30€. And its not even a technological advance.

It's Finished.

Last edited by Gooners (2008-11-26 14:33:34)