LockerFish
Member
+47|6974
Please no wars about the people behind the computers or politics. I'm looking for straight up information about the differences, advantages, and adjustability and compatability of these two different systems. If I'm using the wrong terminology, sorry, you know what I mean. Pretend that I know very little about anything to do with macs and explain everything as much as you would like. Some topics I would like people to comment on would:
- can BF2 and most games like that play on Macs?
- how about hardware? is it interchangeable?
- Will programs such as AIM work on macs?
- what's the difference? (pretend I'm stupid)
- what if the rest of my family has PCs, can we network?
- what programs should I get as far as word processors and ?
- what is the best mac for beginners/students/not hardcore gamers(but still play games)?
- anything else you want to add
TriggerHappy998
just nothing
+387|7115|-
Most games cannot be played on Mac's. They have to be ported to a certain format and that usually doesn't happen unless there's a high demand for it.
The Stillhouse Kid
Licensed Televulcanologist
+126|6909|Deep In The South Of Texas
Stick with PC. Walk into any game store and check out the Mac section. Pretty tiny, if there is one at all.

IMHO, the only thing Mac is good at is making pretentious commercials about how smart their users supposedly are.
yerded
Bertinator
+255|6904|Westminster, California
The fact that your asking this at all says much about how long you've been interested in computers.
Mac's are work horses best suited for graphics production and such.
Peace bro.
LockerFish
Member
+47|6974
ok I'm not sure if you're insulting me or not.
Nabraham
EWWW!!! Thats Nasty!!!
+18|6952|Enon
PC for games, i also believe macs are way overpriced, but thats me, not saying my opinion is fact.
kessel!
Peruvian Cocaine
+261|7033|Toronto Canada
i have a macbook pro. it can run windows or mac so buying mac versions of games is not really an issue. its duel core, 1gb of ram and 256mb graphics card. Its AMAZING. now the opportunities are almost endless by using both operating systems.
dubbs
Member
+105|6900|Lexington, KY
To answer your questions directly:

- can BF2 and most games like that play on Macs? 

Bootcamp allows you to run XP on Intel Macs, so yes you can play BF2, and other PC based games.  Mac also has games that the PC does not, like the game Nanosaurs 2.  (It is not that great of a game by the way.)

- how about hardware? is it interchangeable? 

Most of the hardware is exactly the same.  Biggest difference is BIOS now.  Some of the Macs have certain hardware, because of there design.  For example, the G5 has a slot design CD-Rom, most PCs have the tray style.

- Will programs such as AIM work on macs? There are IMs out there Axiom emulates AIM.

- what's the difference? (pretend I'm stupid) 

The operating system is the biggest difference that you will see.  There are some behind the scenes software that you will not directly deal with that is different.  For the most part they are basically the same.  Also, Macs have more eye candy, they do everything flasher.  For example, instead of just minimizing a window, they use a genie effect (imagine a genie going into it's bottle/lamp.  Video: http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10165_7-5583993-1.html)

- what if the rest of my family has PCs, can we network?

Yes you can.  I currently have a nework with a G5 and two PC running Windows XP.  It is very easy to get the Mac to interface with the PCs, have not really tried it vise versa.

- what programs should I get as far as word processors and ?

There is a version of MS Office for Macs if you MS Office.  Visit http://www.microsoft.com/mac. 
Also iWorks is nice, Pages is the word processor in this office suite.  http://www.apple.com/iwork/

- what is the best mac for beginners/students/not hardcore gamers(but still play games)? 

Depends on what that student needs.  Art students should get a Mac, Boot Camp will allow you the best of both worlds.

- anything else you want to add

Your best bet is to go with a Intel Mac and Boot Camp.  This will allow you to take advantage of both OS X and Win XP operating system.
Marconius
One-eyed Wonder Mod
+368|6962|San Francisco
- can BF2 and most games like that play on Macs?
With the Boot Camp functionality on the new Intel Macs, you'll be able to use both Windows and OS X on the same machine, so yes, you'll be able to play any PC game on a new Mac.  Even though the game section of Macs is rather small in stores, the Mac runs the top selling games, which doesn't necessarily mean the most famous ones.  All the versions of the Sims and whatnot are there, but games with large followings such as Battlefield (which is currently being ported) or Half-Life/Counterstrike don't usually make it due to the cost-effectiveness of porting.

- how about hardware? is it interchangeable?
Not necessarily.  RAM and hard-drives, sure.  But the Mac desktops take different graphics cards than PCs, especially if you are using an AGP card.  They haven't come out with a MacTel desktop yet, (though I have one at work (I'm an Apple Developer)), but when they do, I'm sure most hardware will become interchangeable.  Apple makes most of its money on their hardware, so they are going to do what they have to in order to get people to buy their stuff.

- Will programs such as AIM work on macs?
AIM works on a Mac.  OS X comes with a built in chat program called iChat, which logs into the AIM and Jabber servers.  Other multi-network programs such as Adium are available, plus Yahoo, MSN, ICQ, IRC, etc all work on the Mac.

- what's the difference?
This is a tough, politics driven-issue.  The difference is that you can hand-build your PCs with completely customized components, and the Mac hardware and OS is all Apple-based, meaning that they can focus on Hardware/software interoperability a lot better.  Macs are generally better when you need a graphics/video/audio workhorse, plus a lot of the graphic design software was initially built to run on a Mac.  The difference can be subjective...it really depends on which file-system/Operating system you find more comfortable to use.  I personally like Mac OS X a lot more due to the *NIX system base and how easily everything just runs, plus there are currently No viruses for Mac OS X.

- what if the rest of my family has PCs, can we network?
Sure can.  Plug the Mac into a hub with the other PCs and the Mac will instantly recognize everyone on the network.  You'll have to configure the PCs to see the Mac, usually, and handle all the necessary file-sharing protocols and whatnot, but there's instant interconnectivity in almost all cases.

- what programs should I get as far as word processors and ?
OpenOffice or NeoOffice.  I cannot stress that enough.  They open microsoft documents if you have them, and can save out as them if you need to, plus have all of the functionality of Microsoft Office and more.  The major difference is that they are FREE and open source.  Otherwise, if you buy a Mac, it will come with Pages, which was formerly known as Appleworks, and functions fairly well as a stand alone word/document creator.

- what is the best mac for beginners/students/not hardcore gamers(but still play games)?
The Desktop G5s will give you all the hardware upgradability you'd need to raise yourself to a hardcore gamer if you want to.  A beginning Mac would be any of the Powerbook/Macbook/iBook lines, or the iMac.  The iMac is powerful, but not really a total gaming machine.  A MacBook running any of the Universal/Intel native programs absolutely SCREAMS in comparison to PowerPC Native programs.  Even running Shake, an extremely high-end compositing package that film-houses use, the MacBook can nearly stomp my Dual 2.5GHz G5 into the ground.  The MacBook might make a good choice for work and gaming as long as you pay attention to what graphics card/memory it comes with.

- anything else you want to add
I strongly suggest you go to a computer store and try both systems out.  Threads like this will always turn into a huge PC's are Better!!!/OMG Macs are better!! clusterfuck with both sides trying to outdo each other.  While we can suggest systems to try, it's just going to come back to you making your own personal decision based on your experiences with both platforms.
Maj.Do
Member
+85|7020|good old CA
well you can use the bootcamp but right now if you really just want a gaming comp the x1600 isnt that good so stick with a pc
BellusEndus
Make love not war
+59|6891|Edinburg
- what is the best mac for beginners/students/not hardcore gamers(but still play games)?
if you're just looking to try out a mac, pick up an old G3 or G4, won't run XP or any games and not interchangeable with PCs but a good place to start (it probably won't come with OS X but that will run on them).
Marconius
One-eyed Wonder Mod
+368|6962|San Francisco
Yikes...I wouldn't recommend picking up a really old G3 or G4.  They are really slow, and using a slow computer to learn on can tend to get really frustrating, especially when attempting to run OS X.  You can pick up used G5s on eBay or other Apple resellers.

Then again, most of us are spoiled by computer speed.  I can't even fathom how I was able to get stuff done with my original 333MHz iMac back in the day...
Stealth42o
She looked 18 to me officer
+175|6939

TriggerHappy998 wrote:

Most games cannot be played on Mac's. They have to be ported to a certain format and that usually doesn't happen unless there's a high demand for it.
Yup, stick with PC
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,054|7039|PNW

Well, since a few Mac issues have already been addressed in this section...

1. There is nothing wrong with using the PC as an art platform along with your gaming. I use it with a wide array of Adobe, Macromedia and Autodesk apps, and it runs just fine.

2. While some colleges are biased towards the Mac, many others use IBM/PC's, even in the art department.

3. Macs are not free of their share of computer problems, due to the complex nature of computers. A Mac can slow down and crash as often as Windows and, having worked with Macs for a large fraction of the time I've spent on PC's, I can safely vouch for this fact.

4. A great Mac is going to cost a good deal more than a custom-built PC. Mac people and salesmen might try to entice you with the slick toaster-oven look and feel of a Mac, but don't let that sway you from the knowledge that PC's come in vastly greater shapes, sizes and colors. Aside from the modding aspect, look at Xoxide.com for a small example of available chassis.

5. Unless you absolutely want/need to use a Mac-only application, I would probably stick with PC's.

6. Computers will eventually progress to the point in compatibility and compactness to where this whole Mac vs. PC industrial civil war will simply disappear.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-05-08 17:25:16)

BlackLegion42
Damn Command and Conquer Generals...
+62|6998|Rochester, NY
I stick with PC for now due to OS differences and gaming compatability. If you want an ultimate PC, wait for the new Intel-Based PowerPC to come out that would run both OS natively and can support any games out there. But that would that another year or so for Apple to announce.
XxUNDEROATHxX
=(1C4L)=underOATH
+52|6924|Chandler, AZ
Wait until the WWDC in August if you want a mac for gaming...the new Intel powermac should be launched at that conferance...

Thats what Im doing, I figure I'll get it with the new version of OSX, ill pop in a monster HDD, and ill dual-boot XP/OSX...
mikeshw
Radioactive Glo
+130|7105|A Small Isle in the Tropics

I actually read a review in the local papers here where the tech forum boys played FEAR on a Mac with Bootcamp running XP. The results, according to them, was passable although they admitted to playing FEAR on medium settings.

I personally own a Mac Powerbook G4 and an XP comp at home, the latter purely for gaming. I don't think I shortchanged myself in terms of functionality at all (considering I migrated from XP to Mac as recent as a year ago). After using a Mac, I say, hell no, I will never ever switch back to XP. Never mind i can't use Microsoft Project, but the substitute is good enough for me (Fast Track Schedule).  I used OmniGraffle to create flowcharts that just look..simply awesome.

The only software that is glitchy or crashes on my Mac..? guess what.. it is Microsoft Office for Mac.

If you can wait..well, wait for the new Intel Chip for the Mac desktops (the G5s are still running PowerPC chips), or the Merom chip on the next generation of MacBooks. I am waiting.. and will trade in my G4 in time to come.

for added humour.. watch this Mac-slanted adverts..

Last edited by mikeshw (2006-05-08 21:26:43)

kessel!
Peruvian Cocaine
+261|7033|Toronto Canada
mac is really easy to use. probably moreso than windows after about an hour of getting used to it. for any im, use adium www.adiumx.com
gitano
Member
+1|5998|seattle, wa usa
my 2 pieces of copper.

its bad enough having to run a proprietary os.
a macs a proprietary computer.


the idea of not being able to open up a computer and working on it is scary
gitano
Member
+1|5998|seattle, wa usa
gnu/linux anyone?
SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6755|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)
Holy, the thread that came back to life. 2yrs 3mo. Why? That user doesn't even post anymore.
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6786|Montucky
NecroPosting FTW!
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6975|67.222.138.85
Please refrain from bumping topics, especially ones over two years old.

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