Maybe. We'll know more tomorrow. Nevertheless, maintenance had to do with this. I bet it had.usmarine wrote:
trust me, its a very recoverable situation. something else went wrong.sergeriver wrote:
The DC-9, in this case MD-82 hasn't a great capability to flight with one engine, and it's and old plane. I love the plane, I used to flight a lot in DC-9's when I was a kid. And don't forget Spanair has a bad maintenance record. Old planes + poor maintenance = dangerous flights.usmarine wrote:
how do you end up crashing because of an engine fire?
sounds fishy to me. seems like the pilot fucked up and aborted too late tbh.
well they are flying old shit boxes, so i bet they have top notch mechs.sergeriver wrote:
Maybe. We'll know more tomorrow. Nevertheless, maintenance had to do with this. I bet it had.
It sounds like it blew up. If this is the case it probably took off half the elevator and if they were climbing this would have cause a severe roll to that side along with a stall due to lack of power and increased inputs by the pilot to attempt to level and and pitch the plane at such low speeds.usmarine wrote:
no, planes are designed and pilots are trained to handle that situation.Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Correct me here.usmarine wrote:
how do you end up crashing because of an engine fire?
sounds fishy to me. seems like the pilot fucked up and aborted too late tbh.
If an engine catches fire and stops working properly, and the other is going at a high throttle, as it would be just after takeoff/climbing then wouldn't that make it the plane unbalanced. Pilot loses control, plane crashes
idunno
I've send you a PM.Lotta_Drool wrote:
It sounds like it blew up. If this is the case it probably took off half the elevator and if they were climbing this would have cause a severe roll to that side along with a stall due to lack of power and increased inputs by the pilot to attempt to level and and pitch the plane at such low speeds.usmarine wrote:
no, planes are designed and pilots are trained to handle that situation.Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Correct me here.
If an engine catches fire and stops working properly, and the other is going at a high throttle, as it would be just after takeoff/climbing then wouldn't that make it the plane unbalanced. Pilot loses control, plane crashes
idunno
Either way all DC-9's are beautiful birds, they just are old. But it's a great plane, specially when taking off.usmarine wrote:
well they are flying old shit boxes, so i bet they have top notch mechs.sergeriver wrote:
Maybe. We'll know more tomorrow. Nevertheless, maintenance had to do with this. I bet it had.
well a fire and explosion are two different things. i dunno. i done speculating.Lotta_Drool wrote:
It sounds like it blew up. If this is the case it probably took off half the elevator and if they were climbing this would have cause a severe roll to that side along with a stall due to lack of power and increased inputs by the pilot to attempt to level and and pitch the plane at such low speeds.usmarine wrote:
no, planes are designed and pilots are trained to handle that situation.Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Correct me here.
If an engine catches fire and stops working properly, and the other is going at a high throttle, as it would be just after takeoff/climbing then wouldn't that make it the plane unbalanced. Pilot loses control, plane crashes
idunno
Sorry, my boat don't float that way..Sup wrote:
I've send you a PM.Lotta_Drool wrote:
It sounds like it blew up. If this is the case it probably took off half the elevator and if they were climbing this would have cause a severe roll to that side along with a stall due to lack of power and increased inputs by the pilot to attempt to level and and pitch the plane at such low speeds.usmarine wrote:
no, planes are designed and pilots are trained to handle that situation.
I mean come on. Even if you could train a sheep to do that, get a monkey, and I wore the crew cut red head wig; I would never allow you to suck on my toes, the sheep would catch fire, and the idea of you calling me Cameron kinda creeps me out.
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I don't understand you one bit. Nevermind the PM.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Sorry, my boat don't float that way..Sup wrote:
I've send you a PM.Lotta_Drool wrote:
It sounds like it blew up. If this is the case it probably took off half the elevator and if they were climbing this would have cause a severe roll to that side along with a stall due to lack of power and increased inputs by the pilot to attempt to level and and pitch the plane at such low speeds.
I mean come on. Even if you could train a sheep to do that, get a monkey, and I wore the crew cut red head wig; I would never allow you to suck on my toes, the sheep would catch fire, and the idea of you calling me Cameron kinda creeps me out.
They've got a pretty shitty record over the past couple of years too. Two incidents in I think Turkey and Thailand over the past two years killed hundreds.usmarine wrote:
i reckon it would be Iberia. and MD82's are old as shit..Sup wrote:
Is Spainair Spain's biggest airline?
sergeriver, you talk so much shit. This is Spanairs first ever disaster. They have one of the best safety records in Europe.
Please, shove a plug up your ass to stop it squirting out so much crap.
Please, shove a plug up your ass to stop it squirting out so much crap.
I don't think he said accidents related to Spainair happened before. But he has a reason to not trust them. Dunno what that reason is.Zimmer wrote:
sergeriver, you talk so much shit. This is Spanairs first ever disaster. They have one of the best safety records in Europe.
Please, shove a plug up your ass to stop it squirting out so much crap.
I never said they had an accident. I don't flight with Aerolineas Argentinas either now because I know their maintenance is shit. I talk because I'm in that business and I know what companies have good or shitty maintenance. Do you work for Spanair or anything? Besides, it isn't the way to address another person. Much less when you are a mod. Geez, I got banned for a lot less than that.Zimmer wrote:
sergeriver, you talk so much shit. This is Spanairs first ever disaster. They have one of the best safety records in Europe.
Please, shove a plug up your ass to stop it squirting out so much crap.
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Oh god. The irony. THE IRONY!
Did I detect you telling ME how to address another person? That's great coming from you sergeriver. Real great. I admit, I was outta line, but you need to come up with facts before you start blaming everything. This isn't how the world works. You state something and then everyone believes you. I don't care if you are in the business or the CEO, I have no reason to believe that they are bad with maintenance, and you can't back up your reason that they are.
Ah, of course, you are in that business, so you know, and I don't. Yes, I am sorry, I didn't know that one person saying that they are shit would really mean they are shit.
Do YOU work for Spanair? No, so what is your point?
If they had such bad maintenance, then maybe there would have been more problems with them, but they have been operating since 1986 in Spain and been doing quite well for short distance flights - I would know, I lived there. Funnily enough, the only plane crashes that have ocurred in Spain have been with Boeing planes, not MDs.
Also, it's FLY, the verb, you are currently using the verb of "flight" to describe yourself flying in a plane.
Did I detect you telling ME how to address another person? That's great coming from you sergeriver. Real great. I admit, I was outta line, but you need to come up with facts before you start blaming everything. This isn't how the world works. You state something and then everyone believes you. I don't care if you are in the business or the CEO, I have no reason to believe that they are bad with maintenance, and you can't back up your reason that they are.
Ah, of course, you are in that business, so you know, and I don't. Yes, I am sorry, I didn't know that one person saying that they are shit would really mean they are shit.
Do YOU work for Spanair? No, so what is your point?
If they had such bad maintenance, then maybe there would have been more problems with them, but they have been operating since 1986 in Spain and been doing quite well for short distance flights - I would know, I lived there. Funnily enough, the only plane crashes that have ocurred in Spain have been with Boeing planes, not MDs.
Also, it's FLY, the verb, you are currently using the verb of "flight" to describe yourself flying in a plane.
YEa... I'd say it was a joke brother..Sup wrote:
I don't understand you one bit. Nevermind the PM.Lotta_Drool wrote:
Sorry, my boat don't float that way..Sup wrote:
I've send you a PM.
I mean come on. Even if you could train a sheep to do that, get a monkey, and I wore the crew cut red head wig; I would never allow you to suck on my toes, the sheep would catch fire, and the idea of you calling me Cameron kinda creeps me out.
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Yes, I admit it, I used the verb fly in a wrong way. I meant I don't take flights...I didn't know you were a grammar nazi. I truly apologize for that huge mistake. Anyway. Maintenance and accidents don't always go hand in hand. But you don't have to trust me. I receive every week in my office magazines specialized in Commercial Aviation and in the travel business coz I own a travel agency. For instance, Cubana has a pretty clean record in the last ten years and their maintenance is crap. I told you that I don't F.L.Y. with Aerolineas Argentinas (yes, it's from Argentina) because I know their maintenance is awful. But, don't worry, send my apologies to all the Spanish people and please, also tell king Juan Carlos that I'm sorry for offending a Spanish company. Wait, it belongs to SAS now, so it is not Spanish anyway. It used to belong to Marsans, the same company that gave back Aerolineas in bankruptcy a few days ago to the government of Argentina. What a coincidence, isn't it? Did I spell everything right?Zimmer wrote:
Oh god. The irony. THE IRONY!
Did I detect you telling ME how to address another person? That's great coming from you sergeriver. Real great. I admit, I was outta line, but you need to come up with facts before you start blaming everything. This isn't how the world works. You state something and then everyone believes you. I don't care if you are in the business or the CEO, I have no reason to believe that they are bad with maintenance, and you can't back up your reason that they are.
Ah, of course, you are in that business, so you know, and I don't. Yes, I am sorry, I didn't know that one person saying that they are shit would really mean they are shit.
Do YOU work for Spanair? No, so what is your point?
If they had such bad maintenance, then maybe there would have been more problems with them, but they have been operating since 1986 in Spain and been doing quite well for short distance flights - I would know, I lived there. Funnily enough, the only plane crashes that have ocurred in Spain have been with Boeing planes, not MDs.
Also, it's FLY, the verb, you are currently using the verb of "flight" to describe yourself flying in a plane.
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wasnt this flight a codeshare for lufthansa?
A codeshare?usmarine wrote:
wasnt this flight a codeshare for lufthansa?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codeshare.Sup wrote:
A codeshare?usmarine wrote:
wasnt this flight a codeshare for lufthansa?
shiiiiit. RIP everyone onboard that died.
Pretty ridiculous that it could have so easily not have happened if they hadn't been such money grabbing cunts and had cancelled the flight after the problems they were having.
Did the plane explode or something? Because otherwise I can't see how +90% of the people onboard died.
Pretty ridiculous that it could have so easily not have happened if they hadn't been such money grabbing cunts and had cancelled the flight after the problems they were having.
Did the plane explode or something? Because otherwise I can't see how +90% of the people onboard died.
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Plane full of people and full of gas hit uneven ground at over 100 mph. That's how +90% of the people on board died.Vilham wrote:
shiiiiit. RIP everyone onboard that died.
Pretty ridiculous that it could have so easily not have happened if they hadn't been such money grabbing cunts and had cancelled the flight after the problems they were having.
Did the plane explode or something? Because otherwise I can't see how +90% of the people onboard died.
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Aircraft fires are rather nasty from what I've heard.Vilham wrote:
shiiiiit. RIP everyone onboard that died.
Pretty ridiculous that it could have so easily not have happened if they hadn't been such money grabbing cunts and had cancelled the flight after the problems they were having.
Did the plane explode or something? Because otherwise I can't see how +90% of the people onboard died.
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Yep, and you have very, very little time to live. Sometimes 2 minutes - sometimes less.Spark wrote:
Aircraft fires are rather nasty from what I've heard.Vilham wrote:
shiiiiit. RIP everyone onboard that died.
Pretty ridiculous that it could have so easily not have happened if they hadn't been such money grabbing cunts and had cancelled the flight after the problems they were having.
Did the plane explode or something? Because otherwise I can't see how +90% of the people onboard died.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_358
That one was pretty surprising. They call it a "miracle" because everyone lived. They featured an episode of "Air Emergency" on National Geographic on it. When you can see a re-enactment of what actually happened, it really was a miracle they all lived.
Leaking jet fuel doesn't help fires either.
The plane has a maximum capacity of 22,000 L of fuel. That's a lot of potential disaster waiting to set on fire.Spark wrote:
Aircraft fires are rather nasty from what I've heard.Vilham wrote:
shiiiiit. RIP everyone onboard that died.
Pretty ridiculous that it could have so easily not have happened if they hadn't been such money grabbing cunts and had cancelled the flight after the problems they were having.
Did the plane explode or something? Because otherwise I can't see how +90% of the people onboard died.
There are still more deaths to plane accidents then terrorism, but noone dares to change laws or cut civil rights to prevent them from happening.Vilham wrote:
Pretty ridiculous that it could have so easily not have happened if they hadn't been such money grabbing cunts and had cancelled the flight after the problems they were having.
This quote from wikipedia describes the only incident Spanair have had since they started flights in 1988, so until yesterday it must have been considered to be a very safe airline.wikipedia wrote:
Spanair Incidents and accidents
Main article: Spanair Flight 5022
On 20 August 2008 at 14:45 CEST, a Spanair McDonnell Douglas MD-82 aircraft registration EC-HFP - flight number JK5022 crashed with 166 passengers and 6 crew on board moments after take-off from Terminal 4 of Madrid's Barajas Airport runway 36L on a flight to Las Palmas de Gran Canaria. Only 19 of the 172 on board have been accounted for as survivors.
@Zimmer: You have a tendency to snap a little when something Spanish is being critisized.
@Sergeriver: Don't know where you have your information from about Spanair but you should know better than throwing accusations around without better proof than your own opinion. Also i suspect you might have mistaken Spanair for Spantax that was notorious in the 70s & 80s for having deathbirds in the air.
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