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2008-08-20 20:11:50

#126

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|7127|67.222.138.85

lowing wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
lowing wrote:

I would rather give my money as a middle class citizen to the rich, who in turn will invest it into growth of a company that will provide jobs for the rest of us. Or can you tell me how many poor people you have asked for a job in your lifetime.
I think the rich all too often invest money for their own good, not necessarily in a trickle down manner we would wish them to. I believe the money would be better served going to the middle class, where more jobs can be created in small business than in large, more wasteful corporations.

People are more likely to use money wisely when their personal paycheck depends on it.
Often enough THEIR own good, trickles down to the OUR own good. If you do not think so then go ask a poor a guy for a job, and leave the rich alone.

But does it really? Does putting money into sound investments, certainly not being an angel investor or something that risky do to help everyone else?

I'm not saying give it directly to the poor...but if you are just going to invest the money instead of spend it to do home remodeling, expanding the business, or giving deserving people raises, that money does change enough hands to see any good from it quickly.

2008-08-20 20:14:01

#127

Blehm98: conservative hatemonger; +150|6884|meh-land

TheAussieReaper wrote:
lowing wrote:
TheAussieReaper wrote:

Sounds like the system failed if he is living on the street.

Maybe someone like Obama can improve it.
Yeah and how, by making him more dependant on govt. then himself? Good thinking
Haha. Sure lowing, a homeless man, with depression and post-traumatic stress syndrome, needs to rely on himself even more than the government.

most homeless people are homeless because of some fault of their own, and they simply decide parasitizing off the government is easier than actually doing anything to benefit society

on the bright side, my spacebar is working properly, and my z button is giving me problems instead

2008-08-20 20:17:29

#128

lowing: Banned; +1,662|7072|USA

TheAussieReaper wrote:
lowing wrote:
TheAussieReaper wrote:

Sounds like the system failed if he is living on the street.

Maybe someone like Obama can improve it.
Yeah and how, by making him more dependant on govt. then himself? Good thinking
Haha. Sure lowing, a homeless man, with depression and post-traumatic stress syndrome, needs to rely on himself even more than the government.

As a veteran of a foreign war he should be entitled to all the help our govt. our govt. should have in place to offer. He is/was not a loser, he has already proven himself to society, now he needs help from it. Nothing wrong with helping him.

2008-08-20 20:19:21

#129

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6573|what

Blehm98 wrote:
most homeless people are homeless because of some fault of their own, and they simply decide parasitizing off the government is easier than actually doing anything to benefit society

At what stage does a sane person choose to be homeless rather than "benefit" society? And in what way does a stock broker, benefit society?

2008-08-20 20:19:40

#130

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6949|Global Command

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
lowing wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:

I think the rich all too often invest money for their own good, not necessarily in a trickle down manner we would wish them to. I believe the money would be better served going to the middle class, where more jobs can be created in small business than in large, more wasteful corporations.

People are more likely to use money wisely when their personal paycheck depends on it.
Often enough THEIR own good, trickles down to the OUR own good. If you do not think so then go ask a poor a guy for a job, and leave the rich alone.
But does it really? Does putting money into sound investments, certainly not being an angel investor or something that risky do to help everyone else?

I'm not saying give it directly to the poor...but if you are just going to invest the money instead of spend it to do home remodeling, expanding the business, or giving deserving people raises, that money does change enough hands to see any good from it quickly.

I remember some congressional races back in the 90's.
The dems got caught registering dead people.

2008-08-20 20:21:28

#131

lowing: Banned; +1,662|7072|USA

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
lowing wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:

I think the rich all too often invest money for their own good, not necessarily in a trickle down manner we would wish them to. I believe the money would be better served going to the middle class, where more jobs can be created in small business than in large, more wasteful corporations.

People are more likely to use money wisely when their personal paycheck depends on it.
Often enough THEIR own good, trickles down to the OUR own good. If you do not think so then go ask a poor a guy for a job, and leave the rich alone.
But does it really? Does putting money into sound investments, certainly not being an angel investor or something that risky do to help everyone else?

I'm not saying give it directly to the poor...but if you are just going to invest the money instead of spend it to do home remodeling, expanding the business, or giving deserving people raises, that money does change enough hands to see any good from it quickly.

Yes, making money is HAVING money to invest in business growth. Hell, even he spent it on himself. Who builds the yachts he buys, the private planes, the cars, who maintains all that shit? Who runs the hotels, the restaraunts that he eats and stays at? all the way down to the lap dance.

Yeah pal, it is the rich that pays and it is the rich that provide, the rest of us all make a living on their planning, their risk, their vision and yes, their whims.

2008-08-20 20:21:38

#132

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|7127|67.222.138.85

ATG wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
lowing wrote:

Often enough THEIR own good, trickles down to the OUR own good. If you do not think so then go ask a poor a guy for a job, and leave the rich alone.
But does it really? Does putting money into sound investments, certainly not being an angel investor or something that risky do to help everyone else?

I'm not saying give it directly to the poor...but if you are just going to invest the money instead of spend it to do home remodeling, expanding the business, or giving deserving people raises, that money does change enough hands to see any good from it quickly.
I remember some congressional races back in the 90's.
The dems got caught registering dead people.

Which just means the republicans are better at not getting caught. Not to downplay what the democrats did, but let's be reasonable here.

2008-08-20 20:21:40

#133

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6573|what

lowing wrote:
TheAussieReaper wrote:
lowing wrote:

Yeah and how, by making him more dependant on govt. then himself? Good thinking
Haha. Sure lowing, a homeless man, with depression and post-traumatic stress syndrome, needs to rely on himself even more than the government.
As a veteran of a foreign war he should be entitled to all the help our govt. our govt. should have in place to offer. He is/was not a loser, he has already proven himself to society, now he needs help from it. Nothing wrong with helping him.

Your contradicting yourself, lowing.

You don't want him more dependent on the government, but then say he has proven himself to be, what, eligible?

You've got some pretty weird beliefs if you think that an unfortunate person needs to prove their worth to be deserving of help.

I considering someone who needs help as qualified of deserving it.

2008-08-20 20:23:14

#134

lowing: Banned; +1,662|7072|USA

TheAussieReaper wrote:
Blehm98 wrote:
most homeless people are homeless because of some fault of their own, and they simply decide parasitizing off the government is easier than actually doing anything to benefit society
At what stage does a sane person choose to be homeless rather than "benefit" society? And in what way does a stock broker, benefit society?

I guess at the same stage that a sane persons CHOOSES not to be homeless.

Ummmm, he makes money, he pays taxes, he spends money. Same as the rest of us.

2008-08-20 20:27:09

#135

lowing: Banned; +1,662|7072|USA

TheAussieReaper wrote:
lowing wrote:
TheAussieReaper wrote:

Haha. Sure lowing, a homeless man, with depression and post-traumatic stress syndrome, needs to rely on himself even more than the government.
As a veteran of a foreign war he should be entitled to all the help our govt. our govt. should have in place to offer. He is/was not a loser, he has already proven himself to society, now he needs help from it. Nothing wrong with helping him.
Your contradicting yourself, lowing.

You don't want him more dependent on the government, but then say he has proven himself to be, what, eligible?

You've got some pretty weird beliefs if you think that an unfortunate person needs to prove their worth to be deserving of help.

I considering someone who needs help as qualified of deserving it.

If he is PERMANANTLY disabled, and unable to rejoin his profession, then he should have the benifit of taxpayer assisted retraining into a field that is comatable with his disability, he should be given taxpayer assisted mental help for his PTSD. There is no contradiction here, only a liberal minded thinker such as yourself that automatically equates HELP with HANDOUT.

2008-08-20 20:28:06

#136

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6573|what

lowing wrote:
Ummmm, he makes money, he pays taxes, he spends money. Same as the rest of us.?

So if I stock broker benfitis society by paying taxes, making and spending money, what possible chance does A HOMELESS person have of qualifying for your standards to get help?

lowing wrote:
I guess at the same stage that a sane persons CHOOSES not to be homeless.

lol? At what stage did you make that decision lowing, did you ever have to?

Well I guess it's just that simple. If your ever unfortunate enough to be on the street without a roof to sleep under, all you have to do is choose to, and you can buy one.

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2008-08-20 20:28:39

#137

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|7127|67.222.138.85

lowing wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
lowing wrote:

Often enough THEIR own good, trickles down to the OUR own good. If you do not think so then go ask a poor a guy for a job, and leave the rich alone.
But does it really? Does putting money into sound investments, certainly not being an angel investor or something that risky do to help everyone else?

I'm not saying give it directly to the poor...but if you are just going to invest the money instead of spend it to do home remodeling, expanding the business, or giving deserving people raises, that money does change enough hands to see any good from it quickly.
Yes, making money is HAVING money to invest in business growth. Hell, even he spent it on himself. Who builds the yachts he buys, the private planes, the cars, who maintains all that shit? Who runs the hotels, the restaraunts that he eats and stays at? all the way down to the lap dance.

Yeah pal, it is the rich that pays and it is the rich that provide, the rest of us all make a living on their planning, their risk, their vision and yes, their whims.

Investing does not mean it goes back into a company, it could go into gold, classic cars, or just sit in the bank. Of course then the bank goes and puts it into something else, but that money isn't necessarily moving very fast.

To see any reasonably immediate influence on the economy, the money can't go too far up. The truly wealthy don't have any incentive to buy more things with the money we give them, because honestly they already have so much they don't have enough time to spend it all. It has to go somewhere where it will actually spent on buying real estate, putting up restaurants, expanding businesses.

2008-08-20 20:31:14

#138

lowing: Banned; +1,662|7072|USA

TheAussieReaper wrote:
lowing wrote:
At what stage does a sane person choose to be homeless rather than "benefit" society? And in what way does a stock broker, benefit society?
So if I stock broker benfitis society by paying taxes, making and spending money, what possible chance does A HOMELESS person have of qualifying for your standards to get help?

lowing wrote:
I guess at the same stage that a sane persons CHOOSES not to be homeless.
lol? At what stage did you make that decision lowing, did you ever have to?

Well I guess it's just that simple. If your ever unfortunate enough to be on the street without a roof to sleep under, all you have to do is choose to, and you can buy one.

1. I didn't write that so do not quote as doing so

2. As soon as that homeless guy gets cleaned up and looks for work he has a "chance" doesn't he? I chose not to be homeless the day I graduated HS, joined the military, LEARNED a trade, STUDIED for my Proffessions qualifying lisenses, APPLIED for a job, DIDN'T quit until I found one.

2008-08-20 20:33:16

#139

lowing: Banned; +1,662|7072|USA

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
lowing wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
But does it really? Does putting money into sound investments, certainly not being an angel investor or something that risky do to help everyone else?

I'm not saying give it directly to the poor...but if you are just going to invest the money instead of spend it to do home remodeling, expanding the business, or giving deserving people raises, that money does change enough hands to see any good from it quickly.
Yes, making money is HAVING money to invest in business growth. Hell, even he spent it on himself. Who builds the yachts he buys, the private planes, the cars, who maintains all that shit? Who runs the hotels, the restaraunts that he eats and stays at? all the way down to the lap dance.

Yeah pal, it is the rich that pays and it is the rich that provide, the rest of us all make a living on their planning, their risk, their vision and yes, their whims.
Investing does not mean it goes back into a company, it could go into gold, classic cars, or just sit in the bank. Of course then the bank goes and puts it into something else, but that money isn't necessarily moving very fast.

To see any reasonably immediate influence on the economy, the money can't go too far up. The truly wealthy don't have any incentive to buy more things with the money we give them, because honestly they already have so much they don't have enough time to spend it all. It has to go somewhere where it will actually spent on buying real estate, putting up restaurants, expanding businesses.

I wonder how many of us would loose our jobs the second rich people STOPPED spending their money, or risking their money? So even after all I have listed, you still do not think it is the rich that the rest of us live off us huh?

This is why I hate liberalism, go ahead and cripple the rich, punish them for their achievements, take their money and distribute it evenly. Take away all incentive for them to risk and invest, then watch what happens to the rest of us.

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2008-08-20 20:37:07

#140

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|7127|67.222.138.85

lowing wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
lowing wrote:

Yes, making money is HAVING money to invest in business growth. Hell, even he spent it on himself. Who builds the yachts he buys, the private planes, the cars, who maintains all that shit? Who runs the hotels, the restaraunts that he eats and stays at? all the way down to the lap dance.

Yeah pal, it is the rich that pays and it is the rich that provide, the rest of us all make a living on their planning, their risk, their vision and yes, their whims.
Investing does not mean it goes back into a company, it could go into gold, classic cars, or just sit in the bank. Of course then the bank goes and puts it into something else, but that money isn't necessarily moving very fast.

To see any reasonably immediate influence on the economy, the money can't go too far up. The truly wealthy don't have any incentive to buy more things with the money we give them, because honestly they already have so much they don't have enough time to spend it all. It has to go somewhere where it will actually spent on buying real estate, putting up restaurants, expanding businesses.
I wonder how many of us would loose our jobs the second rich people STOPPED spending their money, or risking their money? So even after all I have listed, you still do not think it is the rich that the rest of us live off us huh?

I think our definitions of rich are different. Bill Gates is not going to spend his money any different because the U.S. Government took a few mill off his taxes. That guy who owns the successful restaurant chain and is thinking of expanding onto the east coast...that's the guy that where the extra money needs to go to where it would practically directly create more jobs.

Of course we all live off the rich. The obscenely rich aren't going to change their spending habits because we cut them a little slack. We should be targeting the ones where it will.

2008-08-20 20:37:20

#141

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6573|what

lowing wrote:
1. I didn't write that so do not quote as doing so

2. As soon as that homeless guy gets cleaned up and looks for work he has a "chance" doesn't he? I chose not to be homeless the day I graduated HS, joined the military, LEARNED a trade, STUDIED for my Proffessions qualifying lisenses, APPLIED for a job, DIDN'T quit until I found one.

1. sorry for misquoting you, its fixed now.

2. I'm sure it's really easy to put your current residence on a CV as "the local park"

A homeless person has a much better chance of "cleaning up" if given government aid, wouldn't you agree?

And the government is more than capable of setting these people up with employment agencies too.

2008-08-20 22:24:40

#142

lowing: Banned; +1,662|7072|USA

TheAussieReaper wrote:
lowing wrote:
1. I didn't write that so do not quote as doing so

2. As soon as that homeless guy gets cleaned up and looks for work he has a "chance" doesn't he? I chose not to be homeless the day I graduated HS, joined the military, LEARNED a trade, STUDIED for my Proffessions qualifying lisenses, APPLIED for a job, DIDN'T quit until I found one.
1. sorry for misquoting you, its fixed now.

2. I'm sure it's really easy to put your current residence on a CV as "the local park"

A homeless person has a much better chance of "cleaning up" if given government aid, wouldn't you agree?

And the government is more than capable of setting these people up with employment agencies too.

1. Thank you

2. Homeless have shelters, we have unemployment benifits, we have social services, we have grants, we will pay your medical bills when you don't, how much more help do you expect should be given out before the tax payer sees a return on its investment into an individual to bring him up to mainstream society?

2008-08-20 22:30:43

#143

lowing: Banned; +1,662|7072|USA

Flaming_Maniac wrote:
lowing wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Investing does not mean it goes back into a company, it could go into gold, classic cars, or just sit in the bank. Of course then the bank goes and puts it into something else, but that money isn't necessarily moving very fast.

To see any reasonably immediate influence on the economy, the money can't go too far up. The truly wealthy don't have any incentive to buy more things with the money we give them, because honestly they already have so much they don't have enough time to spend it all. It has to go somewhere where it will actually spent on buying real estate, putting up restaurants, expanding businesses.
I wonder how many of us would loose our jobs the second rich people STOPPED spending their money, or risking their money? So even after all I have listed, you still do not think it is the rich that the rest of us live off us huh?
I think our definitions of rich are different. Bill Gates is not going to spend his money any different because the U.S. Government took a few mill off his taxes. That guy who owns the successful restaurant chain and is thinking of expanding onto the east coast...that's the guy that where the extra money needs to go to where it would practically directly create more jobs.

Of course we all live off the rich. The obscenely rich aren't going to change their spending habits because we cut them a little slack. We should be targeting the ones where it will.

Bill Gates has done everything he has done because of smart money handling. In the early days of his career what would have it been like if you had your way and he was fuckin ass rapped every April 15th and his accomplishments and efforts were distributed " to make it fair".

Also your verbage using the word "target" is apropos considering targeting the rich for punishment for achieving and being smart with THEIR money, is EXACTLY what you would have done to them.

You do realize it is THEIR money that you want. What is so fair about rapping and stealing from and PUNISHING a person who is smart enough to take care of themselves finacnially when others are not?

2008-08-20 22:40:32

#144

lowing: Banned; +1,662|7072|USA

Braddock:

Now that we have taken care of Bob, lets focus our attention to Jack.

Jack dropped out of school because he thought he was too cool for it. He decided he could make an easy buck by dealing drugs. He was successful enough at it that he got comfortable and lazy to the point where he sold to a cop. He is convicted then goes to jail. In jail he as all the time in the word to finish his GED and yes even college.He decides not to take advantage. He also gets tattooed out the ass. He thinks he is so cool and is accepted in prison.

When he gets out he is started off at a halfway house and assigned a parole officer. He is also given a job to help he start over ( tax breaks to those that hire convicts) He decides work is not worth the hassle and starts dealing again, breaking his parole. Back to jail Jack goes. Released 2 years later he is pulled over on a DWI and drugs are found in his possession. Back to jail he goes. 2 years later he is released, he is homeless and on the streets, when all of a sudden a liberal finds him and takes him to register to vote for Obama because life has not been fair to him and Obama is going to "CHANGE" all of that.

Now, tell me what Jack deserves from the tax payer.

2008-08-21 00:45:41

#145

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6920|so randum

lowing wrote:
Braddock:

Now that we have taken care of Bob, lets focus our attention to Jack.

Jack dropped out of school because he thought he was too cool for it. He decided he could make an easy buck by dealing drugs. He was successful enough at it that he got comfortable and lazy to the point where he sold to a cop. He is convicted then goes to jail. In jail he as all the time in the word to finish his GED and yes even college.He decides not to take advantage. He also gets tattooed out the ass. He thinks he is so cool and is accepted in prison.

When he gets out he is started off at a halfway house and assigned a parole officer. He is also given a job to help he start over ( tax breaks to those that hire convicts) He decides work is not worth the hassle and starts dealing again, breaking his parole. Back to jail Jack goes. Released 2 years later he is pulled over on a DWI and drugs are found in his possession. Back to jail he goes. 2 years later he is released, he is homeless and on the streets, when all of a sudden a liberal finds him and takes him to register to vote for Obama because life has not been fair to him and Obama is going to "CHANGE" all of that.

Now, tell me what Jack deserves from the tax payer.

Havn't finished with bob yet kthx

So bob, a vet with ONE ARM, a case of POST TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER, who is currently WITHOUT FIXED ADDRESS, and with little or NO MONEY IN THE BANK is just meant to walk into the nearest job vacancy?

How in your addled mind did that ever make sense?

Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella

2008-08-21 00:59:40

#146

PureFodder: Member; +225|6706

lowing wrote:
Flaming_Maniac wrote:
lowing wrote:
I wonder how many of us would loose our jobs the second rich people STOPPED spending their money, or risking their money? So even after all I have listed, you still do not think it is the rich that the rest of us live off us huh?
I think our definitions of rich are different. Bill Gates is not going to spend his money any different because the U.S. Government took a few mill off his taxes. That guy who owns the successful restaurant chain and is thinking of expanding onto the east coast...that's the guy that where the extra money needs to go to where it would practically directly create more jobs.

Of course we all live off the rich. The obscenely rich aren't going to change their spending habits because we cut them a little slack. We should be targeting the ones where it will.
Bill Gates has done everything he has done because of smart money handling. In the early days of his career what would have it been like if you had your way and he was fuckin ass rapped every April 15th and his accomplishments and efforts were distributed " to make it fair".

Also your verbage using the word "target" is apropos considering targeting the rich for punishment for achieving and being smart with THEIR money, is EXACTLY what you would have done to them.

You do realize it is THEIR money that you want. What is so fair about rapping and stealing from and PUNISHING a person who is smart enough to take care of themselves finacnially when others are not?

Bill Gates earned his money from the computer industry.

For about 30 years the entire development of computers was done purely at tax payer expense.

There was absolutely no possibility that Bill Gates could have paid for the research himself.

By allowing Bill Gates to use this publicly funded research to earn private profits he effectively recievced a milti-million dollar handout from the government to get started.

Bill Gates has probably gained more from mass public spending than anyone else in the world. If people weren't 'fuckin ass raped every April 15th' he could be homeless today for all we know.

2008-08-21 01:23:49

#147

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|7095|Canberra, AUS

Lowing, you amaze me. Really.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2008-08-21 01:26:58

#148

oChaos.Haze: Member; +90|6858

lowing, just out of curiosity, are you christian?

2008-08-21 01:38:08

#149

IG-Calibre: comhalta; +226|7163|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

The thing that cracks me up about Lowing is he earnestly believes that his views are " normal "and shared by the majority of society..

2008-08-21 01:44:12

#150

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6958|Long Island, New York

oChaos.Haze wrote:
lowing, just out of curiosity, are you christian?

After a huge-ass argument with him in a thread about muslims (go figure), he told me he was an atheist.

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