obama is screwed on his choices, except for biden... hes got that evan guy who looks liek a fag and that will cancel out obamas dreamy eyes
the navy sucks. mccain was in the navy. mccain sucks.
I thought the popular vote doesn't matter in the US elections...?
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Assuming you are middle class your taxes are going down not up with Obama.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Time out. The GOP's argument isn't that Obama is too good to be true. If you really believe that then I don't find it hard to believe that you by into Obama's bullshit.Spearhead wrote:
They are simply returning fire. If they didnt McCain would be ahead 70-30.SgtHeihn wrote:
And Obama's campaign has been playing clean?
Whats funny is that you guys have bought into the GOPs only argument. The "fact" that Obama is too good to be true. He's so popular, he must be just a bunch of fluff. Oh wait, now he's losing in the polls.... why are you voting for McCain again? lmao
Fact is that Obama isn't too good to be true. He's terrible. He has no voting record to really speak of. He is not tough on crime. He flip flops more than John Kerry and is just about as arrogant. He's a poll politician like Bill "Stick it wherever" Clinton. He has absolutely no loyalty to anyone (save himself). He's going to tax the shit out of US. He can't even stand up to the Clintons, what makes you think he'd do better against the likes of Putin and Dinna jacket? No foreign policy experience. No military experience. It's mind boggling he's even made it this far.
Do you listen to McCain or even check what comes out of his mouth? He flips more then Obama.
Ever watch McCains ads that are more lies then truth?
Why is Obama gonna stand up to the Clintions when that would doom his shot at being president?
Why is it a problem that he wants to engage in a conversation with our enemy's instead of blowing them to bits? (Yes I see your point)
I have seen over 20 of his town hall meetings, trust me he is just as full of shit as Obama is. So this begs the next question, how is he any better then Obama?
Obama never flips because he is for change, and he doesn't need to flip because he's the candidate for change
...and actually, Obama starting slinging the mud first, not McCain. It is amazing how forgetful or forgiving of our candidates own transgressions.Spearhead wrote:
They are simply returning fire. If they didnt McCain would be ahead 70-30.SgtHeihn wrote:
And Obama's campaign has been playing clean?Spearhead wrote:
Couldnt be the result of the constant smear attacks could it? Nah
The GOP political machine is in full swing.
Whats funny is that you guys have bought into the GOPs only argument. The "fact" that Obama is too good to be true. He's so popular, he must be just a bunch of fluff. Oh wait, now he's losing in the polls.... why are you voting for McCain again? lmao
Both of them are politicians; that means putting a false face forward, saying whatever you need to to get elected, taking money from wherever you can.
I am for McCain because he is the only way to keep Obama (or Hillary, if she had been ahead) out of the White House, since they plan to destroy my livelihood, my hobbies, and take as much out of my paycheck while giving me nothing in return in order to buy votes from people who are too lazy to do anything to try to support themselves (or have too many kids to support by themselves) but who still have a vote.
BUT! I tell you what. I will give you Obama. Let you have your "change" if he has a Republican Congress to deal with.
Obama would raise my taxes. He will also raise the cost of goods and services through his insane tax ideas.topthrill05 wrote:
Assuming you are middle class your taxes are going down not up with Obama.
Do you listen to McCain or even check what comes out of his mouth? He flips more then Obama.
Ever watch McCains ads that are more lies then truth?
Why is Obama gonna stand up to the Clintions when that would doom his shot at being president?
Why is it a problem that he wants to engage in a conversation with our enemy's instead of blowing them to bits? (Yes I see your point)
I have seen over 20 of his town hall meetings, trust me he is just as full of shit as Obama is. So this begs the next question, how is he any better then Obama?
How do you know? What have we seen of Obama? Nothing. However, I have seen him throw his grandmother, clark, diddy (or another rapper), his pastor, and aide or two (I know I'm forgetting others here) Under the Press Media bus. What kinda loyalty is that? Weak shit if you ask me. Now let's see.... How long was he at that reverends church? 20 years? Do we have a closet bigot/rascist you're about to vote for? And so after 20 years you toss the guy and act like you were not part of his crowd? Fucking pathetic. How long was McCain a POW for? How long did he prove himself true to our country?
Obama all ready beat Hildo -I thought? So now they are on the DNC ballot? Weak. What a pushover.
What are you going to say to Dinna jacket? Stop giving the baddies grenade launchers and Ak's or we will..... ? What? What is there really to say to someone who you know is going to blow smoke up your ass? Why even bother talking? They all ready know how they need to behave and conduct their state if they really want a true diplomacy with the US.
So in the 20 or so Town Hall meetings ever see Obama there to debate the issues with him? You do know that he is invited to all of them... Why wouldn't O"bah"ma show up and put him in his place? You tell me how McCain isn't better than Obama. Don't get me wrong though, McCain wouldn't have been my choice either. If my vote was the only one counted I wouldn't have picked him to begin with. But sadly he's all I have (Way to go Dems, you lost a shot a winning over a vote by putting forth a crappier candidate).
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Obama/Osama '08
I'm ready to embrace our Muslim overlords and their high tax burden.
Down with McCain, he's old and not very sexy.
and let's not forget all the time he wasted in Hanoi, on our buck. and before that he was blowing up our own planes on the deck of the Forrestal.
the man is unsexy, racist against indo-celestials, he hates young people. And he's a known milf hunter. He must be stopped.
I'm ready to embrace our Muslim overlords and their high tax burden.
Down with McCain, he's old and not very sexy.
and let's not forget all the time he wasted in Hanoi, on our buck. and before that he was blowing up our own planes on the deck of the Forrestal.
the man is unsexy, racist against indo-celestials, he hates young people. And he's a known milf hunter. He must be stopped.
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I'll concede the tax point.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Obama would raise my taxes. He will also raise the cost of goods and services through his insane tax ideas.topthrill05 wrote:
Assuming you are middle class your taxes are going down not up with Obama.
Do you listen to McCain or even check what comes out of his mouth? He flips more then Obama.
Ever watch McCains ads that are more lies then truth?
Why is Obama gonna stand up to the Clintions when that would doom his shot at being president?
Why is it a problem that he wants to engage in a conversation with our enemy's instead of blowing them to bits? (Yes I see your point)
I have seen over 20 of his town hall meetings, trust me he is just as full of shit as Obama is. So this begs the next question, how is he any better then Obama?
How do you know? What have we seen of Obama? Nothing. However, I have seen him throw his grandmother, clark, diddy (or another rapper), his pastor, and aide or two (I know I'm forgetting others here) Under the Press Media bus. What kinda loyalty is that? Weak shit if you ask me. Now let's see.... How long was he at that reverends church? 20 years? Do we have a closet bigot/rascist you're about to vote for? And so after 20 years you toss the guy and act like you were not part of his crowd? Fucking pathetic. How long was McCain a POW for? How long did he prove himself true to our country?
Obama all ready beat Hildo -I thought? So now they are on the DNC ballot? Weak. What a pushover.
What are you going to say to Dinna jacket? Stop giving the baddies grenade launchers and Ak's or we will..... ? What? What is there really to say to someone who you know is going to blow smoke up your ass? Why even bother talking? They all ready know how they need to behave and conduct their state if they really want a true diplomacy with the US.
So in the 20 or so Town Hall meetings ever see Obama there to debate the issues with him? You do know that he is invited to all of them... Why wouldn't O"bah"ma show up and put him in his place? You tell me how McCain isn't better than Obama. Don't get me wrong though, McCain wouldn't have been my choice either. If my vote was the only one counted I wouldn't have picked him to begin with. But sadly he's all I have (Way to go Dems, you lost a shot a winning over a vote by putting forth a crappier candidate).
No he hasn't beaten Hildo yet, presumptive yes. For him to start fire with her is suicide, call him what you want.
I guess my view would be it can't hurt, and I would assume that it gives that nation state the credibility it desires, thus possibly making room for improvement.
No I haven't although I saw them answer the same questions on CNN the other night and tbh there are 3 debates coming up. You and me both know McCain doesn't want a free open debate with Obama. McCain can't even get through a written speech on a screen w/o stumbling through every word. Simple politics on McCains part. (Don't take that as a slap at him).
One of my biggest reasons for thinking Obama is better then McCain would be his international popularity and how many leaders of other countries simply will take a McCain administration as a 3rd Bush term even though it isn't in reality. You and others may find that as a bullshit reason but I think it will be easier to make progress with Obama.
I do find it funny that as things seem to be looking better with Iraq and our economy ect that McCain gains an edge. I would imagine that people are less desperate for change and are becoming happy with this "McCain guy".
This makes sense to me, for the election results.
Useless map doesn't save a separate link for your alterations and forecasts.
Useless map doesn't save a separate link for your alterations and forecasts.
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So this guy leads just because he only says the opposite, discredits the other's opinions and just reacts (without acting himself that is)?[TUF]Catbox wrote:
The reversal follows a month of attacks by McCain, who has questioned Obama's experience, criticized his opposition to most new offshore oil drilling and mocked his overseas trip.
You Americans sure are strange in some ways...
The answer to Bush's disastrous policies and spiraling debt is to continue with McCain and actually get more hard line. Americans are being blinded by the promise of lower taxes and missing the bigger picture.
That's America for you!JahManRed wrote:
The answer to Bush's disastrous policies and spiraling debt is to continue with McCain and actually get more hard line. Americans are being blinded by the promise of lower taxes and missing the bigger picture.
The land of the free and the home of the dumbasses.
I'm writing a book about how stupid Americans* people lead to consecutive takeovers by the corporations and a communist autocracy. Its sadly much more plausible than I would wish it to be.
*I never explicitly state Americans, and the country is unnamed, but someone with any rational thought...
I'm writing a book about how stupid Americans* people lead to consecutive takeovers by the corporations and a communist autocracy. Its sadly much more plausible than I would wish it to be.
*I never explicitly state Americans, and the country is unnamed, but someone with any rational thought...
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not only in america.S.Lythberg wrote:
it's AmericaSgtHeihn wrote:
And Obama's campaign has been playing clean?Spearhead wrote:
Couldnt be the result of the constant smear attacks could it? Nah
The GOP political machine is in full swing.
dirty politics since 1776, dirty presidential elections since 1797
Obama once led by only 0.7 points in the RealClearPolitics.com roundup of polls.
Here, here's leading by 1.2 in the roundup.
He'll be fine and bounce right back.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls … a-225.html
He's still ahead in 6/8 polls...
Here, here's leading by 1.2 in the roundup.
He'll be fine and bounce right back.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls … a-225.html
He's still ahead in 6/8 polls...
Polls (especially in elections) are fairly unreliable. Remember the exit polling nonsense from the 2004 election?
Ignore polls, vote on the issues.
Ignore polls, vote on the issues.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Why would anyone vote based on polls? That's sad.
No, no, I know...the New Hampshire Dem. primary polls are also another example of that.FEOS wrote:
Polls (especially in elections) are fairly unreliable. Remember the exit polling nonsense from the 2004 election?
Ignore polls, vote on the issues.
Not like I can vote anyways, but if I could, I'd never base it on polls. Anyone that does is an ignoramus and would probably vote Obama because he's black or McCain because he's a war vet too.
However, polls are our only idea of who's going to win or who the American people are preferring at the current moment.
Why would anyone vote based on the polls? Everyone wants to vote for a winner.nukchebi0 wrote:
Why would anyone vote based on polls? That's sad.
Lower tax's help the economy which will make people spend more. Bush's capital tax cuts in 2003 rose revenues by 88%....JahManRed wrote:
The answer to Bush's disastrous policies and spiraling debt is to continue with McCain and actually get more hard line. Americans are being blinded by the promise of lower taxes and missing the bigger picture.
Obama and McCain are both promising withdrawls within the next couple. Except one is based within victory and conditions, which seems like it will be the same time as Obama anywyas. And the other is for just leaving... wait fuck... or is he? Shit im confused what hes for.
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There is a reason if White House is called White House.
lololol recistaerodynamic wrote:
There is a reason if White House is called White House.
Republicans would rather have corporations run the world then a government... oh my god! Not the government! Not a government by the people and for the people! Holy shit run the commis are coming!!!
Lets give it all to corporations and the wealthy elite who are out of touch with society. Yep. They can make better decisions then a government by the people for the people ever could.
/sarcasm
Lets give it all to corporations and the wealthy elite who are out of touch with society. Yep. They can make better decisions then a government by the people for the people ever could.
/sarcasm