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SgtHeihn wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

SgtHeihn wrote:

You sound just as brain washed as the group your preaching against.

So what I said was innacurate? 

Why even post unless you're going to say something worth saying....

You are honestly one of the most naive people in the world if you think that the majority of corporations give a fuck about you.  Of course not all of them are evil, but too many are mindless money making machines with no conscience.  I'm sure Turq could refer you to a great documentary.  Guess what the name is.

I never said they weren't.

This is what is fucking up our government, Democrats and Republicans. You have to be stupid if you don't think that Democrates aren't in bed with the same companies as Republicans. Both sides are too busy trying to fuck each other over, then to worry about the common US citizen.

Nether side is the answer, they are both the problem.
Bush didn't fuck up this country himself, he had help from Congress, both Dem's and Rep.

I dont disagree with that.

So whats your point?

Flecco wrote:

SealXo wrote:

"If you think health care is expensive now, wait until its free" - PJ O'rouke

Why do many Americans seem to have such a big problem with a federal funded health system?

I mean it's not like you all complain about the federal government running the military, or the FBI, or federally/state run education systems...

Universal health-care hasn't exactly hurt Canadians, though I've heard some fucked up shit about the NHS in Britain.

Interesting examples.

Military.  Well, it is kinda the purpose of the governmtent to control the military.  That function is given to the federal government in the Constitution.

FBI.  Tolerated.  The entire bureau was created in response to a press scare about white girls being kidnapped as 'sex slaves.'  Just look at the history of the FBI and the Mann Act.

Federal and state run education.  I certainly have a probelm with government-run schools. I believe in a complete privatization of the education system, but I am not a very popular person for that position.  If the government controls the school's purse strings, they control the curriculum.

...and Canada's NHS is not holding up so well.  For one thing, they are having a shortage in manpower, as their healthcare workers flee Canada for the US for better wages, and patients are building up longer and longer wait times not only for routine checkups and proceedures, but also for life saving ones.

Last edited by imortal (2008-08-21 20:06:56)

Flecco wrote:

SealXo wrote:

"If you think health care is expensive now, wait until its free" - PJ O'rouke

Why do many Americans seem to have such a big problem with a federal funded health system?

I mean it's not like you all complain about the federal government running the military, or the FBI, or federally/state run education systems...

Universal health-care hasn't exactly hurt Canadians, though I've heard some fucked up shit about the NHS in Britain.

Scale. Getting the cost under control doesn't mean that there needs to be a completely new system. The US government is already paying more per citizen than any other country. One approach is to get the cost of Malpractice insurance down. This means doing something about frivolous lawsuits and ambulance chasing lawyers.

Flecco wrote:

SealXo wrote:

"If you think health care is expensive now, wait until its free" - PJ O'rouke

Why do many Americans seem to have such a big problem with a federal funded health system?

I mean it's not like you all complain about the federal government running the military, or the FBI, or federally/state run education systems...

Universal health-care hasn't exactly hurt Canadians, though I've heard some fucked up shit about the NHS in Britain.

Our government can barely run the DMV successfully, let alone a healthcare system. And yeah canadas health care is great! if you can wait 5 year ot see a doctor. The US population is like 10 times bigger than canada, extrapalate that. Then theres the health care rationing. And lower pay for doctors, which means less people will choose medicine as a career, thats my problem with it.

Kmarion wrote:

Flecco wrote:

SealXo wrote:

"If you think health care is expensive now, wait until its free" - PJ O'rouke

Why do many Americans seem to have such a big problem with a federal funded health system?

I mean it's not like you all complain about the federal government running the military, or the FBI, or federally/state run education systems...

Universal health-care hasn't exactly hurt Canadians, though I've heard some fucked up shit about the NHS in Britain.

Scale. Getting the cost under control doesn't mean that there needs to be a completely new system. The US government is already paying more per citizen than any other country. One approach is to get the cost of Malpractice insurance down. This means doing something about frivolous lawsuits and ambulance chasing lawyers.

All completely true, but one thing I never understood about people who are against healthcare reform, or even nationalized healthcare:

You already pay for other people's medical care.  About 4/5th's of my direct family are either doctors, chief of medicine, or nurses.  I never knew this factoid until they told me.  You know when you go to the hospital and you notice the band aids are 15 bucks, the horrible food is actually like 40 dollars a day, if not more.  One blood test can run you over 500.  I mean the overcharges are obvious.  What's not obvious is the reason.  People assume it's hospitals pulling the "It's our movie theatre, and this is the only place you can get popcorn, so 20 bucks for a bucket" routine.  But actually you are paying higher costs because for every person that goes into a hospital that can afford it, there are likely 2 or more who come in, never pay, and never see legal action because you can't bleed a turnip.  So then they jack the prices on you, to pay for their losses on the people who couldn't afford it.  You already pay for poor people's healthcare, everytime you visit the doctor...

Not to mention that poorer people, tend to have poorer healthcare overall in life, and eventually instead of catching something early, it's caught late and the expenses mount exponentially.  Whereas a person who's well to do, and has probably had better overall life medical care, tends to run into little health problems that can be treated fairly cost efficient.   Not case by case, but in the grand scheme.

Last edited by oChaos.Haze (2008-08-22 00:17:00)