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usmarine wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

usmarine wrote:

lol.  lol.  go to class son.  dont be late

Maybe you should do the same.  I dont take that as an insult, unlike you, apparently......

are you in college or high school?  i figure it is one of the two since you have all the answers to everything.

When have I said that?  lmao

And dont act like youre any different.

(people do have the answers to everything, but no ones listening)

Last edited by Spearhead (2008-08-25 12:11:39)

Spearhead wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Maybe you should do the same.  I dont take that as an insult, unlike you, apparently......

are you in college or high school?  i figure it is one of the two since you have all the answers to everything.

When have I said that?  lmao

And dont act like youre any different.

you dont have to say it.  you bitch without solutions. typical kid.

usmarine wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

usmarine wrote:

are you in college or high school?  i figure it is one of the two since you have all the answers to everything.

When have I said that?  lmao

And dont act like youre any different.

you dont have to say it.  you bitch without solutions. typical kid.

And what about you?

You never even asked for solutions?  How about appointing judges based on their abilities and not on their political beliefs? 

The US Supreme court is filled with conservative activist judges.... and what do you know, only the non-right wing judges get labeled "liberal activists".  Bullfucking shit.

i dont see a problem, so why would i give solutions?  people are wrong sometimes.  it easy to pick apart after the fact aint it?

usmarine wrote:

Braddock wrote:

usmarine wrote:

nothing is perfect.  jeez dude.  shit happens in this world.

That's a lazy attitude. Lots and lots of shit happens in this world and authorities endorsing torture, implicitly or explicitly, adds immeasurably to the amount of shit. Creating or allowing a scenario that lets this kind of thing happen is as bad as any of the acts of terrorism it is supposedly there to prevent.

define torture methods.  see we disagree on what is torture and what is not.

Well put it this way Gerry Conlon was INNOCENT and he was subjected to sleep deprivation followed by threats against his life (sometimes with guns drawn), specific threats against family members and physical beatings...call me a bleeding heart liberal but that to me is torture.

usmarine wrote:

well did they know he was innocent and still tortured him?

since they are not ms. cleo, mistakes happen.



so, if he was guilty, are those methods torture?

Your idiocy boggles me sometimes usmarine.

They detained him on a hunch-based, circumstantial suspicion and then proceeded to torture him to try and find out if they had the right man. He had nothing to tell them because he was innocent so they used the internment legislation to keep him detained and subject him to prolonged torture - still he had nothing to give. However, the authorities thought he was holding out and so they stepped up the torture techniques (just like ol' Kiefer in 24) and lo and behold he confessed.

The authorities began to realise they had the wrong man once they had started to build their case off of the back of the confession. They found out he had an alibi and suppressed this information so that his defence couldn't get it. Their case was finally confounded when a subsequent IRA detainee who had confessed to his crimes informed them they had the wrong man for the Guildford bombing...the authorities at this stage though had decided they had gone too far down their chosen path to backtrack.

Torture in this case led to the lives of Gerry Conlon and 10 other innocent Irish people being arguable ruined (bear in mind that one died in prison).

Fuck your mistakes, it's not good enough.

k...when I was like 9 or 10, my Mom got really mad because there was a twinkie un-accounted for (yes, a twinkie). She asked both my sister and I how many we had...I had 1, my sister had 2. So, there apparently were 4 missing...she made us sit in a room and "discuss" who ate the twinkie for 1 hour.  After that hour she came in and asked who ate it...not me...not me.  So, she got out the belt. (yeah, I know...for a twinkie) She would ask how many we ate, and if it was still un-accounted for, we would get spanked.  I started crying('cuz, well...belt) and since each time we were asked my sister would say 2 and I would say 1...I got so upset, that I accidentally said 2...and to this day I swear to everything holy that I only had 1 twinkie...that day was the day that I started to believe that torturous interrogation tactics don't always illicit truthful answers...(and I think my Dad ate it anyways)

tuckergustav wrote:

k...when I was like 9 or 10, my Mom got really mad because there was a twinkie un-accounted for (yes, a twinkie). She asked both my sister and I how many we had...I had 1, my sister had 2. So, there apparently were 4 missing...she made us sit in a room and "discuss" who ate the twinkie for 1 hour.  After that hour she came in and asked who ate it...not me...not me.  So, she got out the belt. (yeah, I know...for a twinkie) She would ask how many we ate, and if it was still un-accounted for, we would get spanked.  I started crying('cuz, well...belt) and since each time we were asked my sister would say 2 and I would say 1...I got so upset, that I accidentally said 2...and to this day I swear to everything holy that I only had 1 twinkie...that day was the day that I started to believe that torturous interrogation tactics don't always illicit truthful answers...(and I think my Dad ate it anyways)

lmao good story

Braddock wrote:

Well put it this way Gerry Conlon was INNOCENT and he was subjected to sleep deprivation followed by threats against his life (sometimes with guns drawn), specific threats against family members and physical beatings...call me a bleeding heart liberal but that to me is torture.

Only one of those things you listed (I went ahead and pointed it out for you) qualifies as torture.

FEOS wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

It actually happens all the time.

Just that lazy ass conservatives who don't want to be "soft" on prisoners are fucking up the system of due process.

And just how many US citizens have been picked up on the street for no reason whatsoever and denied due process?

I mean, it "actually happens all the time", so I'm sure there are TONS of examples.

Of course no one just randomly gets picked up off the street, how dumb do you think I am?  (you took it literally)

Last edited by Spearhead (2008-08-25 16:09:38)

Spearhead wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

It actually happens all the time.

Just that lazy ass conservatives who don't want to be "soft" on prisoners are fucking up the system of due process.

And just how many US citizens have been picked up on the street for no reason whatsoever and denied due process?

I mean, it "actually happens all the time", so I'm sure there are TONS of examples.

Of course no one just randomly gets picked up off the street, how dumb do you think I am?  (you took it literally)

I don't know...you're the one who made the statement.

Spearhead wrote:

People get wrongfully convicted all the time

way more right than wrong.  so whats the problem?

usmarine wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

People get wrongfully convicted all the time

way more right than wrong.  so whats the problem?

Happens way too often, because of laziness.