FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6831|'Murka

I'm not surprised that the companies that have the most to lose from the climate change research are funding studies to determine if 1) climate change is actually occurring and 2) if that change is caused by their product.

Who funds the alternative to that? Is Greenpeace giving money to study groups?
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Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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The tobacco company parallel is very apt.
Maybe the Health dept should have funded studies to measure the many health benefits of smoking.
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Burwhale
Save the BlobFish!
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FEOS wrote:

I'm not surprised that the companies that have the most to lose from the climate change research are funding studies to determine if 1) climate change is actually occurring and 2) if that change is caused by their product.
The problem here is that these companies arent funding research into climate change. They are actually paying for groups that pretend to have  scientific cred to lie on their behalf. I have no problem with scientific research on climate change, but what they are funding in general isnt good science ( ie hasnt been submitted to a peer review article). The classic example here is the quote from my first post that states -

In his recent book Heat, George Monbiot gives the example of the TV presenter and botanist, David Bellamy, who is also a climate sceptic. He told the New Scientist in 2005 that most glaciers in the world are growing, not shrinking. He said his evidence came from the World Glacier Monitoring Service in Switzerland, a reputable body. When Monbiot checked the service they said that the Bellamy claim was "complete bullshit". Glaciers are retreating.
BP (British Petroleum) for all its faults has possibly taken an appropriate path with respect to this issue.

CEO BP around 2007 wrote:

In March 2002 Lord Browne of Madingley declared in a speech that global warming was real and that urgent action was needed, saying that "Companies composed of highly skilled and trained people can't live in denial of mounting evidence gathered by hundreds of the most reputable scientists in the world."
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6831|'Murka

Burwhale the Avenger wrote:

The problem here is that these companies arent funding research into climate change. They are actually paying for groups that pretend to have  scientific cred to lie on their behalf. I have no problem with scientific research on climate change, but what they are funding in general isnt good science ( ie hasnt been submitted to a peer review article).
I never said it was good/sound research. Only that I'm not surprised those companies are funding something to attempt to counter the other efforts.
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
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I must say, between the corporate lobbyists and the environmental wackjobs, the ordinary guy must have a rough time deciding what to believe.
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Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7110|Tampa Bay Florida

Spark wrote:

I must say, between the corporate lobbyists and the environmental wackjobs, the ordinary guy must have a rough time deciding what to believe.
He should believe its irrelevant as the only thing that really matters anyway is finding new ways to get energy.
Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
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Kmarion wrote:

Clearly you haven't been listening to the surgeon general.
I'll clear it up;

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Spearhead wrote:

Spark wrote:

I must say, between the corporate lobbyists and the environmental wackjobs, the ordinary guy must have a rough time deciding what to believe.
He should believe its irrelevant as the only thing that really matters anyway is finding new ways to get energy.
As an ordinary guy, I do. There has to be something better than oil.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Burwhale
Save the BlobFish!
+136|6642|Brisneyland

FEOS wrote:

I never said it was good/sound research. Only that I'm not surprised those companies are funding something to attempt to counter the other efforts.
Fair enough, it depends on the quality of the company I guess. A good company should spend the 39 million bucks on research into future fuel sources, or it could return the money to the shareholders in the form of a dividend, instead of paying for web sites that produce dodgy science.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6831|'Murka

Burwhale the Avenger wrote:

FEOS wrote:

I never said it was good/sound research. Only that I'm not surprised those companies are funding something to attempt to counter the other efforts.
Fair enough, it depends on the quality of the company I guess. A good company should spend the 39 million bucks on research into future fuel sources, or it could return the money to the shareholders in the form of a dividend, instead of paying for web sites that produce dodgy science.
They likely view it as a marketing expense.
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Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6962|Texas - Bigger than France
Well, after two pages of this I have to say this is a load of crap.

You guys do understand that they also were funding pro-global warming research at the same time right?

Edit:  Oops, I meant "pro-green" research as in, CO2 = death.

Last edited by Pug (2008-08-29 06:21:50)

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