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Kmarion wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

It sounds rather naive to think Obama wasn't trying to get votes with his VP pick. The president assigns a whole bunch of people (other than the VP) to "help them out".

Oh, I wouldn't doubt it was atleast a part of it...but what gap does Palin fill for McCain?

It's obvious he picked her to get female votes.

It's not part of it.. it's all of it. Otherwise he would have appointed Biden to a cabinet position. You don't start delegating authority before you get the job. Palin is the young fresh face McCain was lacking.

Then who do you think Obama should have picked? The whole idea of picking someone for VP is to pick someone who can take over for you if you go down.

Biden can do that.

Poseidon wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Oh, I wouldn't doubt it was atleast a part of it...but what gap does Palin fill for McCain?

It's obvious he picked her to get female votes.

It's not part of it.. it's all of it. Otherwise he would have appointed Biden to a cabinet position. You don't start delegating authority before you get the job. Palin is the young fresh face McCain was lacking.

Then who do you think Obama should have picked? The whole idea of picking someone for VP is to pick someone who can take over for you if you go down.

Biden can do that.

I thought the whole purpose of running for president of the US was because you had the experience to do so without worrying or needing a co-president t obail you out in case you are a fuck up.

Poseidon wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

The truth is that the VP position is mostly irrelevant. It serves to grab undecided voters every four years. There is no doubt in my mind that if elected Biden will be making less of an impact when it comes to guiding this nation. A vice President doesn't propose new legislation or even vote for that matter.

Of course it is.

...unless the president goes down.

In which case, Biden would be way more suited for the job than Palin would. By a longshot.

And McCain is way better suited than Obama. Don't put all your money on a death certificate. If the Dems are smart they will stay away from the whole experience thing now. McCain has other vulnerabilities.

Poseidon wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Of course it is.

...unless the president goes down.

In which case, Biden would be way more suited for the job than Palin would. By a longshot.

And McCain is way better suited than Obama. Don't put all your money on a death certificate. If the Dems are smart they will stay away from the whole experience thing now. McCain has other vulnerabilities.

That part is arguable. Very, very arguable. Maybe when it comes to foreign policy, yes (although apparentely McSame thinks Putin's the president of Germany, so that's VERY arguable) but in general, no.

In general, Biden's better suited than Palin.

No.. it's not arguable. McCains Senate experience and military time far exceeds anything Obama can bring to the table. Obama has readily admitted that and that is why he's bee running on the "new face of American politics" ticket.

Palin has made more executive decisions than Obama. Seriously, considering that the Junior senator is at the top of the Democratic ticket, they need to hit McCain on his other issues.

Poseidon wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

That part is arguable. Very, very arguable. Maybe when it comes to foreign policy, yes (although apparentely McSame thinks Putin's the president of Germany, so that's VERY arguable) but in general, no.

In general, Biden's better suited than Palin.

No.. it's not arguable. McCains Senate experience and military time far exceeds anything Obama can bring to the table. Obama has readily admitted that and that is why he's bee running on the "new face of American politics" ticket.

Palin has made more executive decisions than Obama. Seriously, considering that the Junior senator is at the top of the Democratic ticket, they need to hit McCain on his other issues.

You said suited. Not experienced.

Generally speaking an experienced candidate is better suited. There are exceptions.

Kmarion wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

No.. it's not arguable. McCains Senate experience and military time far exceeds anything Obama can bring to the table. Obama has readily admitted that and that is why he's bee running on the "new face of American politics" ticket.

Palin has made more executive decisions than Obama. Seriously, considering that the Junior senator is at the top of the Democratic ticket, they need to hit McCain on his other issues.

You said suited. Not experienced.

Generally speaking an experienced candidate is better suited. There are exceptions.

That's why I said between Obama and McCain who is better suited is arguable. Experienced is not, yes. But that's not what I was saying.

However, between Biden and Palin, it's really not.

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Kmarion wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Generally speaking an experienced candidate is better suited. There are exceptions.

That's why I said between Obama and McCain who is better suited is arguable. Experienced is not, yes. But that's

However, between Biden and Palin, it's really not.

Have we been having the same conversation?..lol. There are many points to debate, no doubt. But the recent spin on experience, or lack thereof, has been the focus. Anything is fair game when debating who is generally better suited (of course?). Especially when considering who would be better in a non relevant position.

It's non-relevant?

Tell that to LBJ, Grant, Teddy Roosevelt or Harry Truman.

Actually, if you can tell them...please, tell me how you did it.

Kmarion wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Have we been having the same conversation?..lol. There are many points to debate, no doubt. But the recent spin on experience, or lack thereof, has been the focus. Anything is fair game when debating who is generally better suited (of course?). Especially when considering who would be better in a non relevant position.

It's non-relevant?

Tell that to LBJ, Grant, Teddy Roosevelt or Harry Truman.

Actually, if you can tell them...please, tell me how you did it.

Kmarion wrote:

The truth is that the VP position is mostly irrelevant.

As in most likely.. as in 8 out of 43 presidents.

Still a chance.

Especially with Obama being black and McCain being old (yes, I know we've had this discussion before, but his age is still revelvant).

And 8/43 when you think about it is actually a lot.

Kmarion wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

It's non-relevant?

Tell that to LBJ, Grant, Teddy Roosevelt or Harry Truman.

Actually, if you can tell them...please, tell me how you did it.

As in most likely.. as in 8 out of 43 presidents.

Still a chance.

Especially with Obama being black and McCain being old (yes, I know we've had this discussion before, but his age is still revelvant).

And 8/43 when you think about it is actually a lot.

Yea well.. it is increasingly less likely that a president will die from the same thing previous ones did. Better medicine (5 were of natural causes), better technology for the secret service. Sure there is a chance, but nobody is running up behind Bush in a crowded theater and shooting him in the back of the head.

No no, I realize that. However, people (especially criminals) are very imaginitive. Plus, you never know who'd do it.

You simply can not take the chance and must be fully prepared. I'm not willing to have someone like Palin be the one to step in if Obama gets taken out for some reason.

Mutantsteak wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Still a chance.

Especially with Obama being black and McCain being old (yes, I know we've had this discussion before, but his age is still revelvant).

And 8/43 when you think about it is actually a lot.

Yea well.. it is increasingly less likely that a president will die from the same thing previous ones did. Better medicine (5 were of natural causes), better technology for the secret service. Sure there is a chance, but nobody is running up behind Bush in a crowded theater and shooting him in the back of the head.

Bush wouldn't be caught dead in a play theater, maybe at a rodeo someone will hit him with their pickup

Any time I think of rodeo nowadays, I think of Borat.

Poseidon wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Still a chance.

Especially with Obama being black and McCain being old (yes, I know we've had this discussion before, but his age is still revelvant).

And 8/43 when you think about it is actually a lot.

Yea well.. it is increasingly less likely that a president will die from the same thing previous ones did. Better medicine (5 were of natural causes), better technology for the secret service. Sure there is a chance, but nobody is running up behind Bush in a crowded theater and shooting him in the back of the head.

No no, I realize that. However, people (especially criminals) are very imaginitive. Plus, you never know who'd do it.

You simply can not take the chance and must be fully prepared. I'm not willing to have someone like Palin be the one to step in if Obama gets taken out for some reason.

If you are basing your campaign on bringing change to Washington you might want to consider adding someone other than a long time Washington Bureaucrat to the ticket. What's that say? If Obama is assassinated all bets are off?..lol. It's a conundrum and there is no way around it.

Kmarion wrote:

The truth is that the VP position is mostly irrelevant. It serves to grab undecided voters every four years. There is no doubt in my mind that if elected Biden will be making less of an impact when it comes to guiding this nation. A vice President doesn't propose new legislation or even vote for that matter.

Actually Vice Presidents preside over the Sentate and vote when there is a tie...I mean that's why Bill Clinton wasn't impeached in the Senate because Al Gore, then Vice President, voted No.

If someone would make Pokemon/Yu-Gi-Oh cards for each canidate with the +/- in each category I think the McCain/Palin ticket is the better overall pick.


Obama, to me, is all style with no substance.  Biden is the definitively the liberal version of the Washington insider like McCain is for Republicans, except McCain has a history of being not always towing the party line.

Before McCain picked Palin, I told all my friends that the only way Obama could loose this election was if someone put up a video of him as an Axe Murder...now that both have chosen then VPs, I think its a much closer race.

Besides, I think it kewls to have a VP who's been a fisherman and likes to eat moose.


For those how haven't ready Sarah Palin's Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin



P.S.  "Don't hate O'bama because he's Irish."

Harmor wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

The truth is that the VP position is mostly irrelevant. It serves to grab undecided voters every four years. There is no doubt in my mind that if elected Biden will be making less of an impact when it comes to guiding this nation. A vice President doesn't propose new legislation or even vote for that matter.

Actually Vice Presidents preside over the Sentate and vote when there is a tie...I mean that's why Bill Clinton wasn't impeached in the Senate because Al Gore, then Vice President, voted No.

If someone would make Pokemon/Yu-Gi-Oh cards for each canidate with the +/- in each category I think the McCain/Palin ticket is the better overall pick.


Obama, to me, is all style with no substance.  Biden is the definitively the liberal version of the Washington insider like McCain is for Republicans, except McCain has a history of being not always towing the party line.

Before McCain picked Palin, I told all my friends that the only way Obama could loose this election was if someone put up a video of him as an Axe Murder...now that both have chosen then VPs, I think its a much closer race.

Besides, I think it kewls to have a VP who's been a fisherman and likes to eat moose.


For those how haven't ready Sarah Palin's Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin



P.S.  "Don't hate O'bama because he's Irish."

A tie..lol.  mmm moose.