No. A bit of something you can mash up to anything you want by your own personal preferences. Ans it is a fact that any Linux is far more secure than any windows/Mac OS version, not only because there are more threats to windows.Zimmer wrote:
A bit of both mashed together.
I didnt know about that. Im on about viruses, There is notthing worse than relising you have a virus, cant remove it and will have to reistall your OS and sometimes un able to get a backup.Zimmer wrote:
Oh no. Here we go with the more secure part of it. OSX was hacked in 3 minutes on the MacBook Air the moment it was released. There is security for you.utchin wrote:
Also a big part is the OS. Im starting to like OS X, its simple, more secure than XP. People will buy a mac just because they don't want to use XP and im sure people wouldn t consider buying a Mac if they had no reason too, So its more down to personal preference.
OSX is a very nice operating system, and I like it, but however intuitive it may be, it's bland when you go a bit deeper. If you want to argue OS's, then go grab Linux. A bit of both mashed together.
Debian OpenSSL. The system is only as secure as the software running on top of it.DeathUnlimited wrote:
No. A bit of something you can mash up to anything you want by your own personal preferences. Ans it is a fact that any Linux is far more secure than any windows/Mac OS version, not only because there are more threats to windows.Zimmer wrote:
A bit of both mashed together.
It it wasn't for DirectX, I would not use Windows.
Why would you do such a thing?GodFather wrote:
Okay thats SEXY.
Macbook air is going to get raped.
I have never had a virus on the many XPs, Vista, 2000s, 1995s that I have owned.... I may have had 1 trojan, or 2, but both easily cleaned up.utchin wrote:
I didnt know about that. Im on about viruses, There is notthing worse than relising you have a virus, cant remove it and will have to reistall your OS and sometimes un able to get a backup.Zimmer wrote:
Oh no. Here we go with the more secure part of it. OSX was hacked in 3 minutes on the MacBook Air the moment it was released. There is security for you.utchin wrote:
Also a big part is the OS. Im starting to like OS X, its simple, more secure than XP. People will buy a mac just because they don't want to use XP and im sure people wouldn t consider buying a Mac if they had no reason too, So its more down to personal preference.
OSX is a very nice operating system, and I like it, but however intuitive it may be, it's bland when you go a bit deeper. If you want to argue OS's, then go grab Linux. A bit of both mashed together.
Don't forget better driver support...although Vista had that problem too.Zimmer wrote:
I have never had a virus on the many XPs, Vista, 2000s, 1995s that I have owned.... I may have had 1 trojan, or 2, but both easily cleaned up.utchin wrote:
I didnt know about that. Im on about viruses, There is notthing worse than relising you have a virus, cant remove it and will have to reistall your OS and sometimes un able to get a backup.Zimmer wrote:
Oh no. Here we go with the more secure part of it. OSX was hacked in 3 minutes on the MacBook Air the moment it was released. There is security for you.
OSX is a very nice operating system, and I like it, but however intuitive it may be, it's bland when you go a bit deeper. If you want to argue OS's, then go grab Linux. A bit of both mashed together.
Also, I agree with DU. If games were supported for Linux and DirectX existed on linux, Windows would get owned in the face.
I doubt a wireless hub is very portable, let alone well performing, compared to multiple built-in ports. If you go on a longer trip, you'd have to bring the hub, and whatever external devices you need, with you, thus completely killing the point of getting an ultra-portable PC in the first place.kylef wrote:
I wouldn't be "sacrificing utility" for things that I wouldn't need? As stated in my post above, a wireless hub could function everything that I would there. When I am somewhere with a laptop I don't need to plug in anything, except a charger maybe. I don't mean to sound rude: but this is why your room is filled with junk and mine is, well, not. If I am around something for a long time (with the exception of people that I know of course) I want it to look pretty. I'd rather have one nice looking desk than ten ugly desks. The nicer one serves no extra purpose but visual pleasing, and that is important to me.Freezer7Pro wrote:
Dude, that's one of the gayest things I've read on BF2s, ever. And that says a lot.
A computer is a tool, something you use to do things with. A computer is not the main attraction, but it's the wagon that carries it between shows. You're not supposed to look at the computer, but what's displayed on the screen. Paying a bit extra for something very thin and portable, that I understand, but paying extra and sacrificing utility, for one thin and portable thing over another thin and portable thing, because it looks better, is something that I really don't see the point of, when it comes to computers.
Like I said in my post, for portable use the only thing plugged in (at least in my case) would be a charger. I don't go on long trips that often so that really doesn't affect me! Yes, I notice a desk a lot. But I would notice a laptop even more, because it would be with me. I would not want to go somewhere with an ugly large laptop because it just wouldn't be nice for me.Freezer7Pro wrote:
I doubt a wireless hub is very portable, let alone well performing, compared to multiple built-in ports. If you go on a longer trip, you'd have to bring the hub, and whatever external devices you need, with you, thus completely killing the point of getting an ultra-portable PC in the first place.
A desk can't be compared to a laptop in that way, really, as a desk is a piece of furniture, and is quite large. It's something that you notice a lot, and is often a large part of a room. You often look at your desk, when searching for things, opening drawers (word?) and what not. In a computer, you look at the screen, and nothing else, except for possibly the keyboard, if you're bad at typing. You don't look at the top, bottom, sides or screen frame, you look at the screen.
And where did I mention getting many "ugly" things?
You can't seriously say that looks are more important than (for example) being able to connect to wired networks, without using your only USB port for an Ethernet dong, whilst paying extra for that pleasure. Plus, the Samsung still isn't something insanely ugly. You even say the top looks awesome, and that's the only part people will really see, apart from the screen.
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Prehaps according to you there's 'no excuse' not to have wireless, but the point of a laptop is that you take it places and potentially those places will not have wireless. I don't understand why you're so blindly trying to defend the Airs failings. As for the Samsung, it isn't large or ugly.kylef wrote:
Like I said in my post, for portable use the only thing plugged in (at least in my case) would be a charger. I don't go on long trips that often so that really doesn't affect me! Yes, I notice a desk a lot. But I would notice a laptop even more, because it would be with me. I would not want to go somewhere with an ugly large laptop because it just wouldn't be nice for me.Freezer7Pro wrote:
I doubt a wireless hub is very portable, let alone well performing, compared to multiple built-in ports. If you go on a longer trip, you'd have to bring the hub, and whatever external devices you need, with you, thus completely killing the point of getting an ultra-portable PC in the first place.
A desk can't be compared to a laptop in that way, really, as a desk is a piece of furniture, and is quite large. It's something that you notice a lot, and is often a large part of a room. You often look at your desk, when searching for things, opening drawers (word?) and what not. In a computer, you look at the screen, and nothing else, except for possibly the keyboard, if you're bad at typing. You don't look at the top, bottom, sides or screen frame, you look at the screen.
And where did I mention getting many "ugly" things?
You can't seriously say that looks are more important than (for example) being able to connect to wired networks, without using your only USB port for an Ethernet dong, whilst paying extra for that pleasure. Plus, the Samsung still isn't something insanely ugly. You even say the top looks awesome, and that's the only part people will really see, apart from the screen.
Like someone said earlier in this post, down to personal preference. I guess the things you find nice I find ugly.
The whole idea of a laptop in my view is portability, for that reason, for the most part, you should have wireless. Unless you have it as a main desktop also, and are at home a lot, there really isn't much of an excuse not to use wireless now - especially with n. The top does look nice, but the sides are ugly and for me the entire laptop does have to look good - yes. (well, with the exception of the bottom!) The reason the air succeeds there is that the ports are all on one side and also concealed.
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is it?kylef wrote:
Air signifies ultra portability and chicness, which is a big factor in today's market.
At least here, yes. Pretty much everyone I know who isn't interesting in gaming (much like myself now) prefers portability over power. Unless you are a graphics designer, photographer needing to use Lightroom or whatever else, there simply is no need for massive power. (see .Sup's acer, par exemple)jsnipy wrote:
is it?kylef wrote:
Air signifies ultra portability and chicness, which is a big factor in today's market.
That are thinner than the air? Because I haven't heard of any..ghettoperson wrote:
I'm failing to see your point here. You're saying there isn't a laptop with USB etc, but then you're saying the X360 does it. AFAIK, there are a couple of laptops thinner than the Air that have all the connectivity of the X360. The Air signifies you're an idiot that could have bought a better laptop.
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SPECIFICATIONS:
Pentium/233 MMX, 256Kb of secondary cache, 64Mb of RAM, 1Gb hard disk, 1.1Mb NeoMagic NeoGraph 128XD graphics chipset, 12.1in TFT screen, ESS AudioDrive sound, internal speaker and microphone, two TypeII PC Card slots, infrared 4Mbits/sec, serial port, USB port, lithium ion battery, Windows 95. Dimemions: 297 x 218 x 18mm (Wx D x H). Weight: 1.45kg.
Hm.it looks unsurprisingly steep at around £3,000.
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If you could, dig it up sometime. I'll take a look too ... because I didn't know of anyghettoperson wrote:
When it was released I read an article on a couple of them.
Other than that most of what you said didn't make any sense, are you honestly saying that a laptop manufacturer 5+ years ago should somehow be able to make a more powerful laptop than what a laptop manufacturer today can make? Please think before you type.utchin wrote:
Yeah there are a few laptops thinner than the air while having all the ports, and i know spec cant be compared, but is that not a mian part of it? They are cramming more spec into thinner machines than anyone done before*
I mean we are putting 80gb hdd in them where as before they put 1gb hdd in them, Im not sure how big phisicly a 1gb hdd was back then, if apple made a laptop to that same spec they could easly beat it, but an OS alone takes up more than 1 gb, its not what i call a usable laptop.
* Could be wrong, but havnt checked
Two mm here and there isn't gonna make a difference. When coming to real portability, the Air fails hard, due to it's lack of ports, making it incompatible with the connectivity in many places. Many, many places only have Ethernet connectivity, so you're screwed if you come to one of those. Form over function is not a good concept.kylef wrote:
Even the blatant size of the Ethernet port would outweigh the Air's height at some points. I admit the air fails in many areas yes, but if you want a laptop with several USB ports, Ethernet, card readers etc there is no ultra thin laptop like the Air (enter X360) but to many people, Air signifies ultra portability and chicness, which is a big factor in today's market.
I know a lot of people (at least here) use wired networks and that's fine, but for each cable you add you turn it more into a desktop than a laptop. If you want a desktop, get a desktop is what I'm saying.
To be honest, it isn't really rocket science to create an interface converter cable with a terminator for classical 8P8C RJ style plugs in one end, and a customised connector interface in the other. I've made a NIC with a tiny controller, and a standard USB-A connector pinning out into UTP that was terminated in an RJ style 8P8C plug into an off-the-shelf switch, and I've never had any issues with it. Technically, to get 10/100 connectivity with a generic chipset, all you need to do is leave enough clearance for a connector plug that'll stay in place, and four isolated electrical connectors. You can do that with half the height of a USB-A port, and the chipsets are -tiny-. The only reasons Apple would've had for not including a standard 10/100 network interface are that they didn't want people carrying a small extra cable in their laptop bag, or that they didn't feel it would be necessary. In either case, I think they made a mistake leaving it out. It's certainly technically feasible.kylef wrote:
Even the blatant size of the ethernet port would outweigh the Air's height at some points. I admit the air fails in many areas yes, but if you want a laptop with several USB ports, ethernet, card readers etc there is no ultra thin laptop like the Air (enter X360) but to many people, Air signifies ultra portability and chicness, which is a big factor in today's market.
I've had one that forced me to reformat, but that was a long time ago and I'm sure if I spent a bit more time on it a reformat would not have been necessary.Zimmer wrote:
I have never had a virus on the many XPs, Vista, 2000s, 1995s that I have owned.... I may have had 1 trojan, or 2, but both easily cleaned up.
Can't say my brother's air has had any overheating issues. I know Bertster7 has talked of the airs he has (serviced?) but that certainly hasn't happened to my brother's yet. fyi it runs for about 12 hours a day with the lid closed (external monitor) and 4-5 a day open.utchin wrote:
This is more of a on the go machine. They are assuming you will have an iMac or Mac Pro and want this one to carry around with you. This is not for people who already have MacBooks. Maybe MBPs.
sacrificing connectivity/ports/storage for a pseudo slim case that many no doubt will manage to bend out of shape or overheat because you just can't put efficient fans (if any) in such a case.
And who - beside Steve - will slide this into a paper envelope to require this ugly edge design?
Interesting. I've never heard about that but the link doesn't really reveal much specs wise. Will Google around a bit for some but that looks like a great PC alternative to the air (excluding the Samsung of course).ghettoperson wrote:
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/204942/new-hp-laptop-thinner-than-macbook-air.html
I think this is where "thinnovation" takes place. The idea was to make it as slim as possible while still offering features that people depend upon, and I do think the Air has succeeded, yes. Can you give me an example of ethernet? I know that the libraries, student-available-wireless in universities, Starbucks, even my current school offer no such ethernet capabilities.Freezer7Pro wrote:
Two mm here and there isn't gonna make a difference. When coming to real portability, the Air fails hard, due to it's lack of ports, making it incompatible with the connectivity in many places. Many, many places only have Ethernet connectivity, so you're screwed if you come to one of those. Form over function is not a good concept.
This I did not know. Interesting - I wonder why this hasn't been implemented on other laptops already, or has it?mikkel wrote:
Technically, to get 10/100 connectivity with a generic chipset, all you need to do is leave enough clearance for a connector plug that'll stay in place, and four isolated electrical connectors. You can do that with half the height of a USB-A port, and the chipsets are -tiny-
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