Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6797|Long Island, New York
http://www.stardock.com/about/newsitem.asp?id=1095

Plymouth, MI – August 29, 2008 – Stardock announced today the Gamer’s Bill of Rights: a statement of principles that it hopes will encourage the PC game industry to adopt standards that are more supportive of PC gamers. The document contains 10 specific “rights” that video game enthusiasts can expect from Stardock as an independent developer and publisher that it hopes that other publishers will embrace. The Bill of Rights is featured on Stardock’s website (www.stardock.com) and is on prominent display in Stardock’s booth (1142) at the Penny Arcade Expo.

“As an industry, we need to begin setting some basic, common sense standards that reward PC gamers for purchasing our games,” stated Brad Wardell, president and CEO of Stardock Corporation. “The console market effectively already has something like this in that its games have to go through the platform maker such as Nintendo, Microsoft, or Sony. But on the PC, publishers can release games that are scarcely completed, poorly supported, and full of intrusive copy protection and then be stuck on it.”

Chris Taylor, CEO and founder of Gas Powered Games stated, “This is an awesome framework for the industry to aspire to, and ultimately so that we can provide our customers with the gaming experience that they have wanted for years, and really deserve.”

As an example of The Gamer’s Bill of Rights in action, Stardock instituted a policy of allowing users to return copies of The Political Machine purchased at retail to Stardock for a full refund if they found that their PC wasn’t sufficient to run the game adequately.

“The PC market loses out on a lot of sales because a significant percentage of our market has PCs that may or may not be adequate to run our games. Without the ability to return games to the publisher for a refund, many potential buyers simply pass on games they might otherwise have bought due to the risk of not being certain a game will work on their PC. The average consumer doesn’t know what ‘pixel shader 2.0 support’ means, for instance,” said Wardell.

According to Stardock, the objective of the Gamer’s Bill of Rights is to increase the confidence of consumers of the quality of PC games which in turn will lead to more sales and a better gaming experience.

The Gamer’s Bill of Rights:

1. Gamers shall have the right to return games that don’t work with their computers for a full refund.
2. Gamers shall have the right to demand that games be released in a finished state.
3. Gamers shall have the right to expect meaningful updates after a game’s release.
4. Gamers shall have the right to demand that download managers and updaters not force themselves to run or be forced to load in order to play a game.
5. Gamers shall have the right to expect that the minimum requirements for a game will mean that the game will play adequately on that computer.
6. Gamers shall have the right to expect that games won’t install hidden drivers or other potentially harmful software without their consent.
7. Gamers shall have the right to re-download the latest versions of the games they own at any time.
8. Gamers shall have the right to not be treated as potential criminals by developers or publishers.
9. Gamers shall have the right to demand that a single-player game not force them to be connected to the Internet every time they wish to play.
10. Gamers shall have the right that games which are installed to the hard drive shall not require a CD/DVD to remain in the drive to play.
Fuckin'

Especially #8.
SgtHeihn
Should have ducked
+394|6746|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)
EA hasn't followed any of those.





























And Never Will.

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KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,979|6891|949

Stardock is a solid company - all around care about games and gamers and a great set of leaders with ethics.
Spidery_Yoda
Member
+399|6529
Yes 8. The biggest problem just now.

I don't know about 4 though. It basically describes Steam, and I'm quite happy for Steam to run when i'm playing a Steam game (actually, as far as I know with any non-Valve game you can run the exe without Steam running anyway - just tested and no you cant. my bad). It means I can chat to people etc. However if the internet goes bottoms up then it's a problem. That also has something to do with 9. Steam has an offline mode but it's so easy for something to go wrong and for it to just not let you run offline mode.

For example yesterday I took the ethernet out of the machine to put in the 360 to download the Star Wars demo, and while my machine was offline I tried to start Steam. It asked me if i wanted to start in offline mode, I said I did, and then it said 'could not connect to the steam network' and didn't start up. So they need to make offline mode foolproof for it to not be an issue.

Last edited by Spidery_Yoda (2008-08-30 16:28:13)

Mutantbear
Semi Constructive Criticism
+1,431|6224|London, England

I like #10, Fuck cds
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David.P
Banned
+649|6533

Poseidon wrote:

The Gamer’s Bill of Rights:

4. Gamers shall have the right to demand that download managers and updaters not force themselves to run or be forced to load in order to play a game.
5. Gamers shall have the right to expect that the minimum requirements for a game will mean that the game will play adequately on that computer.
9. Gamers shall have the right to demand that a single-player game not force them to be connected to the Internet every time they wish to play.
Fuck yeah! Fuck Steam and It's Bullshit need to be online to play.
NeXuS
Shock it till ya know it
+375|6601|Atlanta, Georgia
Nice, i like these rights.
Phaytal
Member
+20|6414|Engarlandd
Yeah! Fuck Steam! Always hated it!

I whole heartedly endorse #5, i remember before my new pc i always got excited that my old one could handle the requirements.. different story when i actually tried to..

I even took a game back once demanding the minimal requirements were bullshit and i got my money back Too bad it was crysis and i was tacking it back cos it just sucked..

Last edited by Phaytal (2008-08-30 16:31:00)

Noobeater
Northern numpty
+194|6706|Boulder, CO

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Stardock is a solid company - all around care about games and gamers and a great set of leaders with ethics.
Aye, i agree completely with this above statement.
Commie Killer
Member
+192|6646
5. Gamers shall have the right to expect that the minimum requirements for a game will mean that the game will play adequately on that computer.



Uh huh. So now all games have to be able to play on ENIAC?
Mutantbear
Semi Constructive Criticism
+1,431|6224|London, England

Commie Killer wrote:

5. Gamers shall have the right to expect that the minimum requirements for a game will mean that the game will play adequately on that computer.



Uh huh. So now all games have to be able to play on ENIAC?
No, the minimum requirements that are posted on a box should be able to run on a PC with the same requirements adequately.
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Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6728

Mutantsteak wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

5. Gamers shall have the right to expect that the minimum requirements for a game will mean that the game will play adequately on that computer.



Uh huh. So now all games have to be able to play on ENIAC?
No, the minimum requirements that are posted on a box should be able to run on a PC with the same requirements adequately.
And by Adequately you mean at 1240x720 with all the settings turned down and have 30 FPS
Mutantbear
Semi Constructive Criticism
+1,431|6224|London, England

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

Mutantsteak wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

5. Gamers shall have the right to expect that the minimum requirements for a game will mean that the game will play adequately on that computer.



Uh huh. So now all games have to be able to play on ENIAC?
No, the minimum requirements that are posted on a box should be able to run on a PC with the same requirements adequately.
And by Adequately you mean at 1240x720 with all the settings turned down and have 30 FPS
I don't know what it means by adequate, I didn't write the rule
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firebolt5
Member
+114|6415

Mutantsteak wrote:

I like #10, Fuck cds
Yep, my BF1942 and BF2 CDs are in bad condition...  Didn't know about BF2 mini images until a year or two ago.
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6924|NT, like Mick Dundee

David.P wrote:

Fuck yeah! Fuck Steam and It's Bullshit need to be online to play.
LOLWAT?

I used to be able to play single player steam games with no net connection. It's called offline mode.


@ OP, fuckin A. Hopefully more devs will take it on board.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7017|Argentina
2. Gamers shall have the right to demand that games be released in a finished state.
3. Gamers shall have the right to expect meaningful updates after a game’s release.

Lolololololololololololololololololololoololololololololololololololololololololololoollololololololololololololol.
Fenix14
scout rush kekeke ^___^
+116|6816|Brisbane, Aus

rules wrote:

Rule 8. Gamers shall have the right to not be treated as potential criminals by developers or publishers.

and

10. Gamers shall have the right that games which are installed to the hard drive shall not require a CD/DVD to remain in the drive to play.
These would be the toughest rules to enforce together.

although

1: Gamers shall have the right to return games that don’t work with their computers for a full refund.

This should be standard everywhere, but this would have trouble with rule 8 again, us all being pirates & murderers
Mutantbear
Semi Constructive Criticism
+1,431|6224|London, England

They need to work on the piracy before all of these, that is a big deal
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Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6797|Long Island, New York

Mutantsteak wrote:

They need to work on the piracy before all of these, that is a big deal
Yes, they do...but what they're saying is, don't make it effect people who DON'T pirate games. Such as myself.

I don't really care if people do, but I care when it affects me.
Mutantbear
Semi Constructive Criticism
+1,431|6224|London, England

Poseidon wrote:

Mutantsteak wrote:

They need to work on the piracy before all of these, that is a big deal
Yes, they do...but what they're saying is, don't make it effect people who DON'T pirate games. Such as myself.

I don't really care if people do, but I care when it affects me.
I care when companies don't produce games for PC because of the piracy issue, that affects me (Crytek... I dont know what happened with that but i know they were upset with the piracy or crysis)
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Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6797|Long Island, New York

Mutantsteak wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Mutantsteak wrote:

They need to work on the piracy before all of these, that is a big deal
Yes, they do...but what they're saying is, don't make it effect people who DON'T pirate games. Such as myself.

I don't really care if people do, but I care when it affects me.
I care when companies don't produce games for PC because of the piracy issue, that affects me (Crytek... I dont know what happened with that but i know they were upset with the piracy or crysis)
Crytek simply said that they wouldn't make anymore PC exclusives. Which isn't a big deal to me. It doesn't affect me as a gamer, nor does it affect you or anyone here. It won't comprimise your ability to play the game. In fact, it'll add to the sequel, because they'll get more money from having the game on consoles.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7017|Argentina

Poseidon wrote:

Mutantsteak wrote:

Poseidon wrote:


Yes, they do...but what they're saying is, don't make it effect people who DON'T pirate games. Such as myself.

I don't really care if people do, but I care when it affects me.
I care when companies don't produce games for PC because of the piracy issue, that affects me (Crytek... I dont know what happened with that but i know they were upset with the piracy or crysis)
Crytek simply said that they wouldn't make anymore PC exclusives. Which isn't a big deal to me. It doesn't affect me as a gamer, nor does it affect you or anyone here. It won't comprimise your ability to play the game. In fact, it'll add to the sequel, because they'll get more money from having the game on consoles.
They could also tell gamers that Crysis has nothing to offer except for 1337 graphics.
Miggle
FUCK UBISOFT
+1,411|7001|FUCK UBISOFT

1 and 10 don't work together.

Install and return the CD.

and I disagree with 4 and 5.

I love steam, having to have it open to play a game is the best anti-piracy out there.

Minimum requirements IMO should be minimum, the game can run at 30fps at the absolute lowest settings on the minimum hardware.

If I want adequate I'll look at recommended

Last edited by Miggle (2008-08-30 19:30:06)

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Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6924|NT, like Mick Dundee

Miggle wrote:

1 and 10 don't work together.

Install and return the CD.

and I disagree with 4 and 5.

I love steam, having to have it open to play a game is the best anti-piracy out there.

Minimum requirements IMO should be minimum, the game can run at 30fps at the absolute lowest settings on the minimum hardware.

If I want adequate I'll look at recommended
I had all the minimum reqs. and a decently running PC that was happy to deal with the Crysis demo, but wouldn't run SupCom at playable frame rates during a medium sized battle.

That's what it means by adequately. SupCom should have been running fine. I had the gfx at the lowest settings possible and it was still choppy. The simple fix being that for any game the devs are unsure about, they should raise the min system reqs a bit so dicks like me don't try to borrow our mates copy of it only to have it rape their PC.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Defiance
Member
+438|6930

Flecco wrote:

David.P wrote:

Fuck yeah! Fuck Steam and It's Bullshit need to be online to play.
LOLWAT?

I used to be able to play single player steam games with no net connection. It's called offline mode.


@ OP, fuckin A. Hopefully more devs will take it on board.
Agreed. Steam is a great platform if you're not retarded.

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