BF2S Forums EU: Maybe we’ll kick Russia out of the G-8

ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

What ethnic Americans were threatened in Iraq?
Americans fought and died in this conflict?

No, thankfully none were killed. But were they there? Damn straight.

ATG wrote:

What exactly were our reason for invading and seeing to the barbaric hanging of a nations leader?

Kmarion wrote:

He was tried by Iraqis. But since we are on the subject of hypocrisy, did Saddam deserve anything other than a barbaric end?

If the man had to be executed, it could have been done as a good example, not as yet another act of barbarity. I'm well aware of his crimes, but the manner and method of his death was despicable.

ATG wrote:

The conflict in Georgia is a direct result of our courting former Soviet territories into NATO.
We may as well have dropped the bombs ourselves.

Kmarion wrote:

No my friend. Look a little further than the last decade. Blaming this all on Nato may be a convenient explanation, but the history goes back much further. The Russians have been playing this game longer than some people would like to believe. Is there any doubt that the Georgians would like to escape the old and oppressive ways? Georgia could have at anytime told us to gtfo. No, instead they picked the western (mostly European) ideology. They wanted it so bad that they showed their commitment by sending troops to fight in our wars. Stop trying to play this off as a one sided solicitation. It simply is not true.

Sure. We want Georgia and Ukraine as part of NATO. We want missile shields in Poland.
Why not just stand in front of a beehive and whack it with our dicks?

ATG wrote:

And we expect them just to sit quietly by while we engage their former territories with mutual defense treaties?

It's not too hard to see our own interfering hand in that particular mess. Just try and see things from the enemies pov.

Kmarion wrote:

ATG wrote:

And we expect them just to sit quietly by while we engage their former territories with mutual defense treaties?

It's not too hard to see our own interfering hand in that particular mess. Just try and see things from the enemies pov.

I do.

Uzique wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

ATG wrote:

And we expect them just to sit quietly by while we engage their former territories with mutual defense treaties?

It's not too hard to see our own interfering hand in that particular mess. Just try and see things from the enemies pov.

I do. You however have got a problem seeing things from our own defensive point of view. Making nice with other friendly sovereign nations is not the same as flying bombers over Russian territory. You've become an apologist ATG. Sanity lies somewhere between the overbearing neocon hand and living in the fear of offending the Russian bear. That sure isn't the way we fought them back during the last cold war.

So what you're condoning propaganda and red fever all over again?

Oh please no!

Kmarion wrote:

ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

I do.

Do you?

I apologize for nothing.

Our behavior in Iraq speaks for itself, and perhaps we should all be apologizing for that.

Iraq is not Georgia... not even close. Do I really need to point out the obvious differences?

ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

ATG wrote:

Do you?

I apologize for nothing.

Our behavior in Iraq speaks for itself, and perhaps we should all be apologizing for that.

Iraq is not Georgia... not even close. Do I really need to point out the obvious differences?

The difference is that's our war, so it is good, and Georgia is their war and therefor it is bad.

And I'm the simpleton?

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Did Russia form a collelition and go to the UN before invading Georgia for defending itself?

Is that the similarity you're citing?

ATG wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Did Russia form a collelition and go to the UN before invading Georgia for defending itself?

Is that the similarity you're citing?

Point to the U.N. justification for our being in Iraq today?

And when did it fall on U.S. to be the enforcement wing of the U.N.

All them ungrateful Raqiss would have to do is cut us a check for every tax dollar spent liberating them and pay them same amount to the families of slain U.S. servicemen that they used to pay to suicide bombers, and I'd be jiggy with it all again.



Yerded would tell you;

Yerded wrote:

Look, it's real simple. You give notice that if a IED goes off, the square mile surrounding the area will be destroyed by artillery. If locals are proved to be supporting AQ you line them up and shoot them.
You do NOT send my countrymen out in shitty humvees to find roadside bombs. You do NOT allow weapons and fighters to cross the border from Iran and start shit. Sadr is hiding in Iran? You send the mother fucking B52s in and get the job done.
You do NOT wage a war but don't account for the cost in the budget.
You do NOT use contractors. If we need a draft, so be it.
Fight a war to win or don't fight it at all.

But, we haven't done any of those things. And that is why they lost my support.


Sure, things seem to be going well enough in Iraq now, but where's the money?

This is a war for oil, we are just too yellow as a country to say so.

ATG wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Yerded sounds like the infant-minded, quasi-liberal suburban housewife gassing up her Ford Explorer to head down to the "No War For Oil" rally.

Oh yeah. We were invited.
Jesus Christ, doesn't your arm ever get tired from all that flag waving?

Obviously, the South Ossetians invited Russian troops in. So what's the beef.

So what is the difference?
GunslingerKmarion, saying  "Yerded sounds like the infant-minded, quasi-liberal suburban housewife gassing up her Ford Explorer to head down to the "No War For Oil" rally "is making simple of the real errors.

Under W the price of oil doubled, the value of the dollar plummeted and we look like assholes.

Americans not seeing the hypocrisy of our foreign policy is justifiably creating a world of people that hate America. How is it that our actions are not creating generations of pissed of Muslims?

Americans not seeing the hypocrisy of our foreign policy is justifiably creating a world of people that hate America. How is it that our actions are not creating generations of pissed of Muslims?

Go McCain. What we need is another 100 years of this shit.

Kmarion wrote:

So what is the difference?
GunslingerKmarion, saying  "Yerded sounds like the infant-minded, quasi-liberal suburban housewife gassing up her Ford Explorer to head down to the "No War For Oil" rally "is making simple of the real errors.

Only one of us here feels the need to hide behind an alter ego.. go ahead and use my name, I can handle it. The difference is I accept the fact that every nation in the history of the world has taken action to protect it's national interest. I'm not pretending to be the moral authority by suggesting that this is only about oil. If you'd open your eyes you'd see more. That's not going to happen though, you're perfectly happy looking for the simple answers to explain a complicated world.

Under W the price of oil doubled, the value of the dollar plummeted and we look like assholes.

These are closely related. Oil is traded on the dollar. The less the dollar is worth the less oil you get for each dollar. The falling dollar is the result of MANY administrations. Again, looking at one man to blame the entire world economy is incredibly.. simple. The president can't go to war, pass laws, or scratch his ass without congressional approval.

Americans not seeing the hypocrisy of our foreign policy is justifiably creating a world of people that hate America. How is it that our actions are not creating generations of pissed of Muslims?

But your not an apologist. Keep pandering to a group of psychopaths and see what that gets you. America is consistently placed in no win situations. Foreign opinion is important, but so is securing our future. Just ask the Russians, their buddies the Chinese wouldn't even stand by them on this one.

Americans not seeing the hypocrisy of our foreign policy is justifiably creating a world of people that hate America. How is it that our actions are not creating generations of pissed of Muslims?

The differences has been pointed out.. your response was an extremely irrelevant youtube video.

Go McCain. What we need is another 100 years of this shit.

Well since you've confused me with gs I think the best response here is:
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.. keep painting me as a blind patriot. I know you know better. I've shredded this administration numerous times here. Something else you've conveniently ignored.