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2008-08-31 21:21:26
OmniDeath
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+726|6911

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

OmniDeath wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

My advice to you, Omni, is to get rid of the new RAM, find out exactly what your old RAM is, and get two sticks of that.
So I finally bought to new sticks of the same ram that was already in my PC (2x 2GB). I now have 8GB of ram of all matching sticks, and again the performance rating has lowered from 5.1 to 5.0!! I don't get it, they're all the same speeds, why would it lower? Are the sticks even worth using if they're going to lower the performance?
Maybe try it with three sticks and see what happens?
rates at 4.4

This makes no sense...
2008-08-31 21:23:03
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|6974|67.222.138.85

Freezer7Pro wrote:

OmniDeath wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

My advice to you, Omni, is to get rid of the new RAM, find out exactly what your old RAM is, and get two sticks of that.
So I finally bought to new sticks of the same ram that was already in my PC (2x 2GB). I now have 8GB of ram of all matching sticks, and again the performance rating has lowered from 5.1 to 5.0!! I don't get it, they're all the same speeds, why would it lower? Are the sticks even worth using if they're going to lower the performance?
Windows Performance Index (or w/e) isn't a reliable benchmark. It changes depending on time, how long you boiled your tea, your girlfriend's menstrual cycle, etc. Do some real benchmarks instead. Plus, 1/50th less performance is something that I'd accept for twice the RAM.
He told me on xfire there was a noticeable degradation in performance playing crysis.
2008-08-31 21:56:48
jaymz9350
Member
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OmniDeath wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

OmniDeath wrote:


So I finally bought to new sticks of the same ram that was already in my PC (2x 2GB). I now have 8GB of ram of all matching sticks, and again the performance rating has lowered from 5.1 to 5.0!! I don't get it, they're all the same speeds, why would it lower? Are the sticks even worth using if they're going to lower the performance?
Maybe try it with three sticks and see what happens?
rates at 4.4

This makes no sense...
with 3 sticks in you aren't running in dual channel.
2008-08-31 23:12:42
OmniDeath
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+726|6911

jaymz9350 wrote:

OmniDeath wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

Maybe try it with three sticks and see what happens?
rates at 4.4

This makes no sense...
with 3 sticks in you aren't running in dual channel.
I know, I have 4, he was just saying to try it because of an issue with nvidia chipsets.

Also, I've noticed that running the two new sticks by themselves increases the rating up to 5.2, so maybe they were clocked higher than the old sticks, even though they are supposed to be exactly the same.

Anyone know how I can check this?

@Freezer, link to a "real" benchmark program?

Last edited by OmniDeath (2008-08-31 23:15:28)

2008-09-01 07:09:10
DUnlimited
got any popo lolo intersting?
+1,160|6731|cuntshitlake

OmniDeath wrote:

jaymz9350 wrote:

OmniDeath wrote:

rates at 4.4

This makes no sense...
with 3 sticks in you aren't running in dual channel.
I know, I have 4, he was just saying to try it because of an issue with nvidia chipsets.

Also, I've noticed that running the two new sticks by themselves increases the rating up to 5.2, so maybe they were clocked higher than the old sticks, even though they are supposed to be exactly the same.

Anyone know how I can check this?

@Freezer, link to a "real" benchmark program?
http://www.overclock.net/downloads/138140-super-pi.html

Run the 8M test on both configurations.

I am not sure SPi it can use 8GB of ram though...

Last edited by DeathUnlimited (2008-09-01 07:10:27)

main battle tank karthus medikopter 117 megamegapowershot gg
2008-09-01 08:08:19
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6465|Winland

DeathUnlimited wrote:

OmniDeath wrote:

jaymz9350 wrote:


with 3 sticks in you aren't running in dual channel.
I know, I have 4, he was just saying to try it because of an issue with nvidia chipsets.

Also, I've noticed that running the two new sticks by themselves increases the rating up to 5.2, so maybe they were clocked higher than the old sticks, even though they are supposed to be exactly the same.

Anyone know how I can check this?

@Freezer, link to a "real" benchmark program?
http://www.overclock.net/downloads/138140-super-pi.html

Run the 8M test on both configurations.

I am not sure SPi it can use 8GB of ram though...
It won't, but it'll use a lot of memory bandwidth. I'd say, download memtest86, and see what readings it gets.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2008-09-01 09:54:13
OmniDeath
~
+726|6911

Freezer7Pro wrote:

DeathUnlimited wrote:

OmniDeath wrote:


I know, I have 4, he was just saying to try it because of an issue with nvidia chipsets.

Also, I've noticed that running the two new sticks by themselves increases the rating up to 5.2, so maybe they were clocked higher than the old sticks, even though they are supposed to be exactly the same.

Anyone know how I can check this?

@Freezer, link to a "real" benchmark program?
http://www.overclock.net/downloads/138140-super-pi.html

Run the 8M test on both configurations.

I am not sure SPi it can use 8GB of ram though...
It won't, but it'll use a lot of memory bandwidth. I'd say, download memtest86, and see what readings it gets.
memtest86 won't work on a 64bit system.
2008-09-01 11:12:37
Microwave
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+515|6922|Loughborough Uni / Leeds, UK
My super pi time increased when I went from 2GB to 4GB (4x1GB)  all the same brand - 1066MHz. My Vista index stayed the same at 5.9.


But I'm not bothered about that because I can now play Crysis all on very high at a reasonable fps!
2008-09-01 11:15:54
OmniDeath
~
+726|6911

james@alienware wrote:

My super pi time increased when I went from 2GB to 4GB (4x1GB)  all the same brand - 1066MHz. My Vista index stayed the same at 5.9.


But I'm not bothered about that because I can now play Crysis all on very high at a reasonable fps!
The index doesn't rate above 5.9, so it wouldn't have been able to go higher.

I've been reading up on the ram and it seems some people are getting it at looser timings by default than it's marked. How can I check this and how do I change it?
2008-09-01 11:20:03
Microwave
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+515|6922|Loughborough Uni / Leeds, UK

OmniDeath wrote:

james@alienware wrote:

My super pi time increased when I went from 2GB to 4GB (4x1GB)  all the same brand - 1066MHz. My Vista index stayed the same at 5.9.


But I'm not bothered about that because I can now play Crysis all on very high at a reasonable fps!
The index doesn't rate above 5.9, so it wouldn't have been able to go higher.

I've been reading up on the ram and it seems some people are getting it at looser timings by default than it's marked. How can I check this and how do I change it?
I know but I was just saying that for reference - as my superpi time when up.


Go into the BIOS and go on advanced chipset or something similar


Then underneath the DRAM ratio (it will display the ram frequency eg 800) there will be something about timings. It will be set to auto, go on it, change to manual then a list of numbers will come down underneath that - the ram timings.

Also check what voltage your ram is supposed to run at eg 2.0, 2.2 and set the DRAM voltage as that, rather than auto, because sometimes mobos don't supply the correct voltage and you don't want to undervolt your ram if you want it to run well.
2008-09-01 11:24:57
OmniDeath
~
+726|6911

james@alienware wrote:

OmniDeath wrote:

james@alienware wrote:

My super pi time increased when I went from 2GB to 4GB (4x1GB)  all the same brand - 1066MHz. My Vista index stayed the same at 5.9.


But I'm not bothered about that because I can now play Crysis all on very high at a reasonable fps!
The index doesn't rate above 5.9, so it wouldn't have been able to go higher.

I've been reading up on the ram and it seems some people are getting it at looser timings by default than it's marked. How can I check this and how do I change it?
I know but I was just saying that for reference - as my superpi time when up.


Go into the BIOS and go on advanced chipset or something similar


Then underneath the DRAM ratio (it will display the ram frequency eg 800) there will be something about timings. It will be set to auto, go on it, change to manual then a list of numbers will come down underneath that - the ram timings.

Also check what voltage your ram is supposed to run at eg 2.0, 2.2 and set the DRAM voltage as that, rather than auto, because sometimes mobos don't supply the correct voltage and you don't want to undervolt your ram if you want it to run well.
Thanks, I'll check it out. The ram should be 4-4-4 @ 2.1v but I've seen some reviews where people are getting it shipped at 5-5-5 @ 1.8v
2008-09-01 11:26:22
Microwave
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+515|6922|Loughborough Uni / Leeds, UK
Yeah just check and it should change to that without any issues.


Also check it's running at the correct frequency which for yours is 800MHz.
2008-09-01 11:26:37
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6465|Winland

OmniDeath wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

DeathUnlimited wrote:


http://www.overclock.net/downloads/138140-super-pi.html

Run the 8M test on both configurations.

I am not sure SPi it can use 8GB of ram though...
It won't, but it'll use a lot of memory bandwidth. I'd say, download memtest86, and see what readings it gets.
memtest86 won't work on a 64bit system.
You don't run it from within your OS.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2008-09-01 11:44:00
DUnlimited
got any popo lolo intersting?
+1,160|6731|cuntshitlake

OmniDeath wrote:

james@alienware wrote:

OmniDeath wrote:


The index doesn't rate above 5.9, so it wouldn't have been able to go higher.

I've been reading up on the ram and it seems some people are getting it at looser timings by default than it's marked. How can I check this and how do I change it?
I know but I was just saying that for reference - as my superpi time when up.


Go into the BIOS and go on advanced chipset or something similar


Then underneath the DRAM ratio (it will display the ram frequency eg 800) there will be something about timings. It will be set to auto, go on it, change to manual then a list of numbers will come down underneath that - the ram timings.

Also check what voltage your ram is supposed to run at eg 2.0, 2.2 and set the DRAM voltage as that, rather than auto, because sometimes mobos don't supply the correct voltage and you don't want to undervolt your ram if you want it to run well.
Thanks, I'll check it out. The ram should be 4-4-4 @ 2.1v but I've seen some reviews where people are getting it shipped at 5-5-5 @ 1.8v
Latencies are mobo/bios specific, ram does not ship with certain latencies. The rated latencies the manufacturer gives are what it can at least handle. You should indeed check from your bios that the values are 4-4-4 and voltage 2.1v.
main battle tank karthus medikopter 117 megamegapowershot gg
2008-09-01 12:05:37
OmniDeath
~
+726|6911

Freezer7Pro wrote:

OmniDeath wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:


It won't, but it'll use a lot of memory bandwidth. I'd say, download memtest86, and see what readings it gets.
memtest86 won't work on a 64bit system.
You don't run it from within your OS.
Didn't know that >.<
2008-09-01 12:10:02
OmniDeath
~
+726|6911

DeathUnlimited wrote:

OmniDeath wrote:

james@alienware wrote:


I know but I was just saying that for reference - as my superpi time when up.


Go into the BIOS and go on advanced chipset or something similar


Then underneath the DRAM ratio (it will display the ram frequency eg 800) there will be something about timings. It will be set to auto, go on it, change to manual then a list of numbers will come down underneath that - the ram timings.

Also check what voltage your ram is supposed to run at eg 2.0, 2.2 and set the DRAM voltage as that, rather than auto, because sometimes mobos don't supply the correct voltage and you don't want to undervolt your ram if you want it to run well.
Thanks, I'll check it out. The ram should be 4-4-4 @ 2.1v but I've seen some reviews where people are getting it shipped at 5-5-5 @ 1.8v
Latencies are mobo/bios specific, ram does not ship with certain latencies. The rated latencies the manufacturer gives are what it can at least handle. You should indeed check from your bios that the values are 4-4-4 and voltage 2.1v.
Set it all in bios, seems to be running fine now
2008-09-01 12:26:47
DUnlimited
got any popo lolo intersting?
+1,160|6731|cuntshitlake

OmniDeath wrote:

DeathUnlimited wrote:

OmniDeath wrote:


Thanks, I'll check it out. The ram should be 4-4-4 @ 2.1v but I've seen some reviews where people are getting it shipped at 5-5-5 @ 1.8v
Latencies are mobo/bios specific, ram does not ship with certain latencies. The rated latencies the manufacturer gives are what it can at least handle. You should indeed check from your bios that the values are 4-4-4 and voltage 2.1v.
Set it all in bios, seems to be running fine now
Good to hear
main battle tank karthus medikopter 117 megamegapowershot gg
2008-09-01 12:42:25
Microwave
_
+515|6922|Loughborough Uni / Leeds, UK
Woooo good! .
2008-09-01 18:21:36
jaymz9350
Member
+54|6845

OmniDeath wrote:

Thanks, I'll check it out. The ram should be 4-4-4 @ 2.1v but I've seen some reviews where people are getting it shipped at 5-5-5 @ 1.8v
you will find alot of ram will default to what it can run at 1.8v as that is the ddr standard.  Some boards will not boot if the ram defaults to a higher vdimm as the default settings for the vdimm are 1.8.

 

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