Obama's links to terrorists? .....hhmmmm

2008-09-03 09:22:40

#151

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7230|Nårvei

usmarine wrote:
Varegg wrote:
shouldn't have opinions on US related topics ?
i didnt say that. but for election stuff, your opinions are, well usueless since you have no control over it.

That may be the case for US citizens also, remember Al Gore having the most votes in the last election and still he didn't get elected President ... that's how much your votes are worth.

I might have less control that you in the US electorial process but still i am free to voice my opinion about it no matter what ideas you have about the opposite, i have the right to try and change peoples mind about who to vote for and i explain why i think they should do so ...

And like mentioned this is a gaming forum but still ... you cant just sweap a discussion under the rug and call it pointless just because it might not have any effect ... one debates the issue at hand as best as one can and leave to others to make up their own mind, doesn't really matter if said discussion is on a gming forum or a hard core debate forum ...

Wait behind the line ..............................................................

2008-09-03 09:23:04

#152

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6891

usmarine wrote:
not really. i agree what we talk about is useless, except for elections. that is something we americans can have control over so to speak.

Of course, I'm not debating the democracy and the processes involved in the election...

I'm just saying, on this Forum in particular, are any people being converted or persuaded to vote any differently than they would normally? People seem to come to this Forum with their own party-allegiances and partisanship and generally stick to their guns on all of the different issues and debates that spring up. No matter how convincing an argument is, you can bet your guns that a solid group of posters here won't have their minds changed. That's what I'm talking about when you say us European's should butt-out because we can't "change" anything. No D&ST forum really changes any minds or actions in the real-world environment. Iowing will still always be a die-hard Liberal and FEOS will never let off in his unyielding support for the American Communist Party.

Varegg wrote:
That may be the case for US citizens also, remember Al Gore having the most votes in the last election and still he didn't get elected President ... that's how much your votes are worth.

_{Awaits imminent debate on proportional voting methods}

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2008-09-03 09:24:37

#153

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7182

would it be so hard just to have a discussion for people who are actually voting? i mean really.

2008-09-03 09:25:27

#154

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6975

usmarine wrote:
Varegg wrote:
shouldn't have opinions on US related topics ?
i didnt say that. but for election stuff, your opinions are, well usueless since you have no control over it.

You have marginally more influence over it than Varegg has with your one vote out of 207m eligible voters...

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-09-03 09:25:52)

2008-09-03 09:25:35

#155

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|7152|St. Andrews / Oslo

Varegg wrote:
usmarine wrote:
Varegg wrote:
shouldn't have opinions on US related topics ?
i didnt say that. but for election stuff, your opinions are, well usueless since you have no control over it.
That may be the case for US citizens also, remember Al Gore having the most votes in the last election and still he didn't get elected President ... that's how much your votes are worth.

umm, you know we have a similar voting system in Norway, right?

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2008-09-03 09:27:32

#156

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7091|UK

usmarine wrote:
would it be so hard just to have a discussion for people who are actually voting? i mean really.

no. and quit whining.

And don't forget to vota obama knob jockey.

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2008-09-03 09:27:33

#157

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7182

CameronPoe wrote:
usmarine wrote:
Varegg wrote:
shouldn't have opinions on US related topics ?
i didnt say that. but for election stuff, your opinions are, well usueless since you have no control over it.
You have marginally more influence over it than Varegg has with your one vote out of 207m eligible voters...

marginalize it all you want, i expect it.

2008-09-03 09:28:51

#158

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6891

usmarine wrote:
would it be so hard just to have a discussion for people who are actually voting? i mean really.

No it wouldn't, not at all.

_{On an American political Forum, as opposed to an international gaming community}

You're always telling me to go join some scholarly intellectual debate Forum... why don't you apply some of your own logic?

_{libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual}. _{http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/}

2008-09-03 09:29:44

#159

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7182

Uzique wrote:
usmarine wrote:
would it be so hard just to have a discussion for people who are actually voting? i mean really.
No it wouldn't, not at all.

_{On an American political Forum, as opposed to an international gaming community}

You're always telling me to go join some scholarly intellectual debate Forum... why don't you apply some of your own logic?

do you see me debating? i am trying to get you eurotrash out of here so we voters can have some sort of discussion.

2008-09-03 09:31:11

#160

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7230|Nårvei

Jenspm wrote:
Varegg wrote:
usmarine wrote:

i didnt say that. but for election stuff, your opinions are, well usueless since you have no control over it.
That may be the case for US citizens also, remember Al Gore having the most votes in the last election and still he didn't get elected President ... that's how much your votes are worth.
umm, you know we have a similar voting system in Norway, right?

Similar but not quite ... it cant be compared like that but i know what you mean Jens ...

Explanation: The weakness of Norways electorial process is that the political party that gets the most votes doesn't automatically get the primeminister unless they have 50% of the votes or more, the constallation of parties with the most votes does ... like in most countries with more than two options to vote for.

Wait behind the line ..............................................................

2008-09-03 09:31:51

#161

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6891

usmarine wrote:
Uzique wrote:
usmarine wrote:
would it be so hard just to have a discussion for people who are actually voting? i mean really.
No it wouldn't, not at all.

_{On an American political Forum, as opposed to an international gaming community}

You're always telling me to go join some scholarly intellectual debate Forum... why don't you apply some of your own logic?
do you see me debating? i am trying to get you eurotrash out of here so we voters can have some sort of discussion.

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I mean your own logic and common sense in going to a specialised Forum that talks about the issues you want to discuss with the members that you want to discuss with. It's not very common-sensical to expect a US-exclusive thread on American politics on a worldwide gaming Forum that isn't overly concerned with politics.

I would have thought that if you could tell me to GTFO and go elsewhere to seek a proper debate, you could find a more 'fitting' Forum yourself in search of a proper political-election Forum.

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2008-09-03 09:33:04

#162

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7230|Nårvei

usmarine wrote:
Uzique wrote:
usmarine wrote:
would it be so hard just to have a discussion for people who are actually voting? i mean really.
No it wouldn't, not at all.

_{On an American political Forum, as opposed to an international gaming community}

You're always telling me to go join some scholarly intellectual debate Forum... why don't you apply some of your own logic?
do you see me debating? i am trying to get you eurotrash out of here so we voters can have some sort of discussion.

Well that will never happen so adapt and overcome ... isn't that one of the creeds you learned as a marine ?

Wait behind the line ..............................................................

2008-09-03 09:35:55

#163

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7182

i know it wont happen. unless we are talking about football, F1, or a mod sticky, nothing will stay clean. you are right.

2008-09-03 09:53:23

#164

deeznutz1245: Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.; +483|6913|Connecticut

Varegg wrote:
I never ban without there being a very good reason, nor does any other mod do so ...

Popycock. Superfly Cox perm banned my brother in law and me a year ago because he thought I was using dual accounts. In actuality I asked Orangehound in a PM if it was ok for him to have an account from the same IP and email and he said no problem. My brother in law was staying at my house for awhile when I was in rehab and I wasn't even here, or near a computer for that matter. Superfly didn't even ask or investigate. He just sent a nasty little PM and the ban hammer, which was uncalled for.

Malloy must go

2008-09-03 10:01:06

#165

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|7152|St. Andrews / Oslo

Varegg wrote:
Jenspm wrote:
Varegg wrote:

That may be the case for US citizens also, remember Al Gore having the most votes in the last election and still he didn't get elected President ... that's how much your votes are worth.
umm, you know we have a similar voting system in Norway, right?
Similar but not quite ... it cant be compared like that but i know what you mean Jens ...

Explanation: The weakness of Norways electorial process is that the political party that gets the most votes doesn't automatically get the primeminister unless they have 50% of the votes or more, the constallation of parties with the most votes does ... like in most countries with more than two options to vote for.

nope, that's not what I mean.

A vote from Finmark is worth more than a vote from Oslo.

2008-09-03 10:07:31

#166

Lotta_Drool: Spit; +350|6603|Ireland

CameronPoe wrote:
usmarine wrote:
Varegg wrote:
shouldn't have opinions on US related topics ?
i didnt say that. but for election stuff, your opinions are, well usueless since you have no control over it.
You have marginally more influence over it than Varegg has with your one vote out of 207m eligible voters...

Actually Varegg has infinitely less influence if he can't or doesn't vote.

Shouldn't you be in the pub by now?

2008-09-03 10:08:57

#167

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7041|London, England

I thought usmarine says he doesn't even vote anyway.

2008-09-03 10:09:36

#168

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7182

Mek-Stizzle wrote:
I thought usmarine says he doesn't even vote anyway.

i am this year. i have always voted, just not for a president yet.

2008-09-03 10:11:30

#169

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6975

Lotta_Drool wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
usmarine wrote:

i didnt say that. but for election stuff, your opinions are, well usueless since you have no control over it.
You have marginally more influence over it than Varegg has with your one vote out of 207m eligible voters...
Actually Varegg has infinitely less influence if he can't or doesn't vote.

Shouldn't you be in the pub by now?

Still at work actually.

Infinitely less than infinitesmal you mean?

2008-09-03 10:12:23

#170

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7182

ooo look at me, i can play with words.

2008-09-03 10:14:34

#171

Lotta_Drool: Spit; +350|6603|Ireland

CameronPoe wrote:
Lotta_Drool wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:

You have marginally more influence over it than Varegg has with your one vote out of 207m eligible voters...
Actually Varegg has infinitely less influence if he can't or doesn't vote.

Shouldn't you be in the pub by now?
Still at work actually.

Infinitely less than infinitesmal you mean?

the range is infinite though, which means he has infinitely more influence.

2008-09-03 10:19:13

#172

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6891

Come on fellas I'm an English student and even I don't prattle on over semantics...

Everyone knows that voting is a small act in a huge arena. What are the alternatives? A Vanguard party? No thanks. I'll stick with the idea of power in great numbers and great organisation.

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2008-09-03 10:21:52

#173

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7182

Uzique wrote:
Come on fellas I'm an English student and even I don't prattle on over semantics...

Everyone knows that voting is a small act in a huge arena. What are the alternatives? A Vanguard party? No thanks. I'll stick with the idea of power in great numbers and great organisation.

king and queen?

2008-09-03 10:28:04

#174

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6891

usmarine wrote:
Uzique wrote:
Come on fellas I'm an English student and even I don't prattle on over semantics...

Everyone knows that voting is a small act in a huge arena. What are the alternatives? A Vanguard party? No thanks. I'll stick with the idea of power in great numbers and great organisation.
king and queen?

Very witty...

Oh wait, it's not 1701, it's 2008.

Don't infer that because I don't agree with the narrow center-right / center-left spectrum of American politics that I don't support popular democracy. I may be critical of Democrats and Republicans but that doesn't make me a monarchist or an absolutist.

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2008-09-03 10:30:26

#175

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7182

UK still has a royal family no?

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