Braddock
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usmarine wrote:

Uzique wrote:

usmarine wrote:

would it be so hard just to have a discussion for people who are actually voting?  i mean really.
No it wouldn't, not at all.

On an American political Forum, as opposed to an international gaming community

You're always telling me to go join some scholarly intellectual debate Forum... why don't you apply some of your own logic?
do you see me debating?  i am trying to get you eurotrash out of here so we voters can have some sort of discussion.
Tired of people from other countries interfering in your business? ...an ironic feeling for an American!
Uzique
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usmarine wrote:

UK still has a royal family no?
Are you acting dumb on purpose now?

A royal family as a tourist attraction yes.

A royal family as a body of power and rule? Not since 1701 really (the Act of Settlement, look it up).

The monarch makes speeches and public addresses in the same way that Bono or Bob Dylan makes speeches- calls for humanitarianism and national unity as a 'tradition' are not quite the same as a person that makes executive and legislative decisions. In fact if you want to be petty then yes the monarch is technically involved in certain political processes... as a signature-signer on documents and acts that are already written and approved by the government, the Cabinet and the Prime Minister. A monarch basically doesn't even have the power to 'veto' or reject said documents.

Many countries and nations still retain their monarchies and old power structures to serve as a traditional nicety.

Last edited by Uzique (2008-09-03 10:36:15)

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usmarine
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are you telling me they have zero influence?  absolute zero?
Lotta_Drool
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Braddock wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Uzique wrote:


No it wouldn't, not at all.

On an American political Forum, as opposed to an international gaming community

You're always telling me to go join some scholarly intellectual debate Forum... why don't you apply some of your own logic?
do you see me debating?  i am trying to get you eurotrash out of here so we voters can have some sort of discussion.
Tired of people from other countries interfering in your business? ...an ironic feeling for an American!
So tell me how the US interfers in Ireland?

yep, that's what I thought. Now go eat your mutton.
usmarine
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Braddock wrote:

Tired of people from other countries interfering in your business? ...an ironic feeling for an American!
yawn..... go do some car bombs or something against imperialist england or something.  terrorist.
Uzique
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usmarine wrote:

are you telling me they have zero influence?  absolute zero?
Yes, absolutely.

You really think the views of our archaic and aristocratic Royals permeate into Parliamentary decisions and acts of public policy-making? Don't be ridiculous. Our royal family are a gimmick and a bunch of celebrity-like public figures. They influence no part of the political process and, as I have mentioned, they are only still involved in said institution as part of traditionalism and formality. The Queen / ruling monarch could be removed from the process of passing legislation and no one would bat an eyelid- let alone produce an outcry.

The only extent we hear about our Royals is if they make public-state visits somewhere to represent (what the world perceives as) Great Britain. They stroll around foreign countries propagating this 'myth' that our country is still a hierarchical class-ruled society with a blue blooded aristocratic ruling class. That was true erm, pre-Cromwell? Before the civil war? Not at all nowadays.

So yes, the royals in Britain have zero effective influence. They may influence our gossip-columns from time to time but so does Paris Hilton, and she's not an Empress.
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Braddock
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usmarine wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Tired of people from other countries interfering in your business? ...an ironic feeling for an American!
yawn..... go do some car bombs or something against imperialist england or something.  terrorist.
You should read the news sometime usmarine...

http://www.breakingnews.ie/Ireland/mhqlgbkfkfql/rss2/
Uzique
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Braddock please confirm for me that the royals are not the ruling-class and decision makers in our society... please.

I feel like I'm filling in an American on the last 300 years of British history. A slightly outdated impression of our nation and its system methinks.
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Spearhead
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Where are all the right wingers bitching about this the same way they bitched when it happened to Sarah Palin?  Oh wait, they're not.  Well, I guess that's okay, there's nothing particularly hypocritical or any double standards there.  Nope, none at all.
Braddock
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Uzique wrote:

Braddock please confirm for me that the royals are not the ruling-class and decision makers in our society... please.

I feel like I'm filling in an American on the last 300 years of British history. A slightly outdated impression of our nation and its system methinks.
Put it this way... if the royal family all died in a plane crash tomorrow it would not affect the running or governing of the United Kingdom in any perceivable way whatsoever. They are purely for show.
Lotta_Drool
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Braddock wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Tired of people from other countries interfering in your business? ...an ironic feeling for an American!
yawn..... go do some car bombs or something against imperialist england or something.  terrorist.
You should read the news sometime usmarine...

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/Wol … ?id=622695
link has been fixed
Braddock
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Lotta_Drool wrote:

Braddock wrote:

usmarine wrote:


yawn..... go do some car bombs or something against imperialist england or something.  terrorist.
You should read the news sometime usmarine...

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/Wol … ?id=622695
link has been fixed
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usmarine
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Spearhead wrote:

Where are all the right wingers bitching about this the same way they bitched when it happened to Sarah Palin?  Oh wait, they're not.  Well, I guess that's okay, there's nothing particularly hypocritical or any double standards there.  Nope, none at all.
what are you talking about?  you wankers were talking about her daughter.  at least we are talking about the one who is ACTUALLY RUNNING for potus in this thread.  see the difference or are you so blinded by labels that you cant see?

Last edited by usmarine (2008-09-03 12:58:27)

m3thod
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she has great baps
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Spearhead
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usmarine wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Where are all the right wingers bitching about this the same way they bitched when it happened to Sarah Palin?  Oh wait, they're not.  Well, I guess that's okay, there's nothing particularly hypocritical or any double standards there.  Nope, none at all.
what are you talking about?  you wankers were talking about her daughter.  at least we are talking about the one who is ACTUALLY RUNNING for potus in this thread.  see the difference or are you so blinded by labels that you cant see?
For Sarah Palins support of abstinence only education, it is relevant that her daughter is pregnant before she's even married.

No one ever attacked her daughter.  It's about SARAH.
usmarine
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Spearhead wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Where are all the right wingers bitching about this the same way they bitched when it happened to Sarah Palin?  Oh wait, they're not.  Well, I guess that's okay, there's nothing particularly hypocritical or any double standards there.  Nope, none at all.
what are you talking about?  you wankers were talking about her daughter.  at least we are talking about the one who is ACTUALLY RUNNING for potus in this thread.  see the difference or are you so blinded by labels that you cant see?
For Sarah Palins support of abstinence only education, it is relevant that her daughter is pregnant before she's even married.

No one ever attacked her daughter.  It's about SARAH.
and nobodies kids really listen to their parents.  so i fail to see your point.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7110|Tampa Bay Florida

usmarine wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

usmarine wrote:


what are you talking about?  you wankers were talking about her daughter.  at least we are talking about the one who is ACTUALLY RUNNING for potus in this thread.  see the difference or are you so blinded by labels that you cant see?
For Sarah Palins support of abstinence only education, it is relevant that her daughter is pregnant before she's even married.

No one ever attacked her daughter.  It's about SARAH.
and nobodies kids really listen to their parents.  so i fail to see your point.
So why even bother with abstinence only education??  We've spent like tens of billions on it because its a "faith based" program.
usmarine
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Spearhead wrote:

So why even bother with abstinence only education??  We've spent like tens of billions on it because its a "faith based" program.
well i am sure some listen, but very few.  i dunno.  if you pass out condoms some kids wont use those either.  there is no real answer.  but she believes that is a good way, then so be it.  i am not voting on what their kids do, i am voting for what their ideas and beliefs are.  i mean my god, who gives a fuck what her kid does.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7110|Tampa Bay Florida

usmarine wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

So why even bother with abstinence only education??  We've spent like tens of billions on it because its a "faith based" program.
well i am sure some listen, but very few.  i dunno.  if you pass out condoms some kids wont use those either.  there is no real answer.  but she believes that is a good way, then so be it.  i am not voting on what their kids do, i am voting for what their ideas and beliefs are.  i mean my god, who gives a fuck what her kid does.
I dont give a fuck what her kid does, its just ironic when she's telling everyone else to use abstinence only, and then this happens. 

I'm voting for what their ideas and beliefs are too.  I know I wouldnt want my daughter to be pregnant at 17.  Failed parenting to be honest.
usmarine
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Spearhead wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

So why even bother with abstinence only education??  We've spent like tens of billions on it because its a "faith based" program.
well i am sure some listen, but very few.  i dunno.  if you pass out condoms some kids wont use those either.  there is no real answer.  but she believes that is a good way, then so be it.  i am not voting on what their kids do, i am voting for what their ideas and beliefs are.  i mean my god, who gives a fuck what her kid does.
I dont give a fuck what her kid does, its just ironic when she's telling everyone else to use abstinence only, and then this happens. 

I'm voting for what their ideas and beliefs are too.  I know I wouldnt want my daughter to be pregnant at 17.  Failed parenting to be honest.
so, if my son got a dui, it would not be permissible for me to speak out against dui's?
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7110|Tampa Bay Florida

usmarine wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

usmarine wrote:


well i am sure some listen, but very few.  i dunno.  if you pass out condoms some kids wont use those either.  there is no real answer.  but she believes that is a good way, then so be it.  i am not voting on what their kids do, i am voting for what their ideas and beliefs are.  i mean my god, who gives a fuck what her kid does.
I dont give a fuck what her kid does, its just ironic when she's telling everyone else to use abstinence only, and then this happens. 

I'm voting for what their ideas and beliefs are too.  I know I wouldnt want my daughter to be pregnant at 17.  Failed parenting to be honest.
so, if my son got a dui, it would not be permissible for me to speak out against dui's?
No, not at all.  They picked her because she's a social conservative.  I think it undercuts the "family values" message when her daughter gets pregnant before she's married or even an adult.
Braddock
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Spearhead wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Spearhead wrote:


For Sarah Palins support of abstinence only education, it is relevant that her daughter is pregnant before she's even married.

No one ever attacked her daughter.  It's about SARAH.
and nobodies kids really listen to their parents.  so i fail to see your point.
So why even bother with abstinence only education??  We've spent like tens of billions on it because its a "faith based" program.
She definitely should have pushed the "pull out in time" doctrine instead.
13rin
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Spearhead wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

Where are all the right wingers bitching about this the same way they bitched when it happened to Sarah Palin?  Oh wait, they're not.  Well, I guess that's okay, there's nothing particularly hypocritical or any double standards there.  Nope, none at all.
what are you talking about?  you wankers were talking about her daughter.  at least we are talking about the one who is ACTUALLY RUNNING for potus in this thread.  see the difference or are you so blinded by labels that you cant see?
For Sarah Palins support of abstinence only education, it is relevant that her daughter is pregnant before she's even married.

No one ever attacked her daughter.  It's about SARAH.
Actually if you bothered checking facts before spouting, you'd know that SARAH's stance is for contraception.

http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/ … raception/

Last edited by DBBrinson1 (2008-09-03 13:28:39)

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Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7110|Tampa Bay Florida

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

usmarine wrote:


what are you talking about?  you wankers were talking about her daughter.  at least we are talking about the one who is ACTUALLY RUNNING for potus in this thread.  see the difference or are you so blinded by labels that you cant see?
For Sarah Palins support of abstinence only education, it is relevant that her daughter is pregnant before she's even married.

No one ever attacked her daughter.  It's about SARAH.
Actually if you bothered checking facts before spouting, you'd know that SARAH's stance is for contraception.

http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/ … raception/
Never said anything about contraception, did I?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 … icalticker
13rin
Member
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Spearhead wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Spearhead wrote:


For Sarah Palins support of abstinence only education, it is relevant that her daughter is pregnant before she's even married.

No one ever attacked her daughter.  It's about SARAH.
Actually if you bothered checking facts before spouting, you'd know that SARAH's stance is for contraception.

http://thinkprogress.org/wonkroom/2008/ … raception/
Never said anything about contraception, did I?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 … icalticker
The daughter is having the baby right?
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.

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