It'll be intersting to see if they downplay her social conservatism in order to attract more women. She covered all the standard bases with here acceptance speech, but to me at least, notably absent was her stance on abortion, gay rights, and sex education.
How can she push forward a stance on strong family values, for the whole country, if she can't even control her 17 year old daughter?Reciprocity wrote:
It'll be intersting to see if they downplay her social conservatism in order to attract more women. She covered all the standard bases with here acceptance speech, but to me at least, notably absent was her stance on abortion, gay rights, and sex education.
They seem to be harping on her energy position more than anything else.
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which part?Kmarion wrote:
They seem to be harping on her energy position more than anything else.
I think I heard her say Obama was against additional drilling. Which seems incorrect. It wasn't too many months ago the McCain dismissed additional offshore drilling as pointless. But political realities change. For everyone.
Is the McCain/Palin ticket against subsidizing emerging technologies?
I want them caught off guard.Kmarion wrote:
Not all formats are the same. Candidates are rarely caught off guard. I'd like to hear more of Biden as well. 90 percent of the DEM primary debates were Clinton, Edwards, Obama.nukchebi0 wrote:
Disillusionment strikes...Kmarion wrote:
Modern debates are scripted . They are well rehearsed responses to moderated questions. I'd like to see a Lincoln-Douglas style debate though.
Are you kidding, seriously? I thought the candidates didn't know the questions before hand. While extemporaneous speaking skills do not make a good leader, they can certainly indicate who is more established in their principles and beliefs.
John McCain's Clean Car Challenge. John McCain will issue a Clean Car Challenge to the automakers of America, in the form of a single and substantial tax credit for the consumer based on the reduction of carbon emissions. He will commit a $5,000 tax credit for each and every customer who buys a zero carbon emission car, encouraging automakers to be first on the market with these cars in order to capitalize on the consumer incentives. For other vehicles, a graduated tax credit will apply so that the lower the carbon emissions, the higher the tax credit.Reciprocity wrote:
which part?Kmarion wrote:
They seem to be harping on her energy position more than anything else.
I think I heard her say Obama was against additional drilling. Which seems incorrect. It wasn't too many months ago the McCain dismissed additional offshore drilling as pointless. But political realities change. For everyone.
Is the McCain/Palin ticket against subsidizing emerging technologies?
John McCain Will Propose A $300 Million Prize To Improve Battery Technology For Full Commercial Development Of Plug-In Hybrid And Fully Electric Automobiles. A $300 million prize should be awarded for the development of a battery package that has the size, capacity, cost and power to leapfrog the commercially available plug-in hybrids or electric cars. That battery should deliver a power source at 30 percent of the current costs. At $300 million, the prize is one dollar for every man, woman and child in this country - and a small price to pay for breaking our dependence on oil.
John McCain Will Commit $2 Billion Annually To Advancing Clean Coal Technologies.
John McCain Will Put His Administration On Track To Construct 45 New Nuclear Power Plants By 2030 With The Ultimate Goal Of Eventually Constructing 100 New Plants.
John McCain Will Establish A Permanent Tax Credit Equal To 10 Percent Of Wages Spent On R&D.
John McCain Will Encourage The Market For Alternative, Low Carbon Fuels Such As Wind, Hydro And Solar Power. According to the Department of Energy, wind could provide as much as one-fifth of electricity by 2030. The U.S. solar energy industry continued its double-digit annual growth rate in 2006. To develop these and other sources of renewable energy will require that we rationalize the current patchwork of temporary tax credits that provide commercial feasibility.
http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Iss … 8e96f4.htm
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Fight's on, fight's on.Kmarion wrote:
Well I guess we know why they picked her now.
http://news.yahoo.com/story/ap/20080904 … DIa1ob.3QAHotAir wrote:
Perhaps the media and Democrats would have been better advised to set expectations high for Sarah Palin’s acceptance speech tonight at the Republican convention. After ridiculing her as a small-town yokel for the better part of three days, Palin would have looked good if she managed to avoid drooling during her speech. In the event, though, they could have set expectations as high as a Barack Obama acceptance speech, and Palin would still have exceeded them in a tremendous debut on the national stage.
Palin made it clear to the condescending media and her Democratic critics that she is no pushover, no cream puff. Her nickname, “Sarah Barracuda”, seems a lot more fitting after tonight. Not only did she defend her small-town upbringing, she attacked Barack Obama on almost every possible front, and for good measure went after Joe Biden and the mainstream media as well.Palin wrote:
Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of my hometown.
And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves.
I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a “community organizer,” except that you have actual responsibilities. I might add that in small towns, we don’t quite know what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they are listening, and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren’t listening.
We tend to prefer candidates who don’t talk about us one way in Scranton and another way in San Francisco.Palin wrote:
But when the cloud of rhetoric has passed … when the roar of the crowd fades away … when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot - what exactly is our opponent’s plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he’s done turning back the waters and healing the planet?And to think I was worried about Biden beating her up.Sarah wrote:
"What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? .. Lipstick."
Heading to the merge...
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
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― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
best speech yet. you all may like the preacher shit that obama spews, but this lady was attacked for weeks by obama people and most of you guys, and came out firing.
lol kerry..."i'm gay for obama" lol
lol kerry..."i'm gay for obama" lol
I still don't get why you're gonna vote for Obama and always talk about how you hate politics/don't favour one side etc.. what's so bad about declaring that you're a Republican and shit?usmarine wrote:
best speech yet. you all may like the preacher shit that obama spews, but this lady was attacked for weeks by obama people and most of you guys, and came out firing.
lol kerry..."i'm gay for obama" lol
I've noticed that about you, you seem reluctant to talk about your own political affiliation like it's some sort of problem.
Just my 2 shillings
i want to be part of the whole mess is why. and you have to vote for someone right?
whats yur problem?
whats yur problem?
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I ain't got no problem. I know I'm voting for the Conservative party as 1st choice and Lib Dems as 2nd choice whenever we have a next election. (That's what I did in the last local/mayoral elections too)
Basically anyone but Labour
Basically anyone but Labour
Bill and Hillary were prochoice, yet they messed up and didn't abort Chelsey. In real life shit happens, no matter what your values are. This was her daughter's choice, children are notorious for not listening to their parents. At least she didn't get an abortion.TheAussieReaper wrote:
How can she push forward a stance on strong family values, for the whole country, if she can't even control her 17 year old daughter?Reciprocity wrote:
It'll be intersting to see if they downplay her social conservatism in order to attract more women. She covered all the standard bases with here acceptance speech, but to me at least, notably absent was her stance on abortion, gay rights, and sex education.
When you were 17 did you listen to your parents? I know I didn't I was out partying and fucking chicks.TheAussieReaper wrote:
How can she push forward a stance on strong family values, for the whole country, if she can't even control her 17 year old daughter?Reciprocity wrote:
It'll be intersting to see if they downplay her social conservatism in order to attract more women. She covered all the standard bases with here acceptance speech, but to me at least, notably absent was her stance on abortion, gay rights, and sex education.
aussie that is such a stupid arguement it is getting REALLY old REALLY fast.
you are gay for obama lulz
you are gay for obama lulz
Thats kinda like how can Hillary be a Senator and major Democrat if she couldn't keep Bill from cheating on her?usmarine wrote:
aussie that is such a stupid arguement it is getting REALLY old REALLY fast.
you are gay for obama lulz
YEAH BUT BUT BUT, "SHE USED A SPEECH WRITER" <-----------the only thing the liberals could come up with to trash her speech.
I wonder if they figure the word will get out that ALL politicians including Oprah uses a speech writer. Oh well not to worry.
It was an excellent speech
I wonder if they figure the word will get out that ALL politicians including Oprah uses a speech writer. Oh well not to worry.
It was an excellent speech
desperate to find something you insist on hating her for are we?TheAussieReaper wrote:
How can she push forward a stance on strong family values, for the whole country, if she can't even control her 17 year old daughter?Reciprocity wrote:
It'll be intersting to see if they downplay her social conservatism in order to attract more women. She covered all the standard bases with here acceptance speech, but to me at least, notably absent was her stance on abortion, gay rights, and sex education.
The fact that the family is keeping the baby and owning up to its responsibilities is PROOF that she is strong on family values.
I also loled when he, out of all people, said the DNC didnt address 9/11 enough at their convention.Kmarion wrote:
Not really. When talking about Obama changing his position (public finance, Israel, etc), he said if I was Joe Biden I would get that VP thing in writing.. I loled.God Save the Queen wrote:
gulianni is sounding like a tool
Guilani rolled it. He looked very comfortable.
Hate her for it, why would I hate her for something as trivial as this? My concern is that the right wing voters may look at this in a very negative light.lowing wrote:
desperate to find something you insist on hating her for are we?TheAussieReaper wrote:
How can she push forward a stance on strong family values, for the whole country, if she can't even control her 17 year old daughter?
The fact that the family is keeping the baby and owning up to its responsibilities is PROOF that she is strong on family values.
And the fact that her daughter is keeping the baby is not proof of any sort of strong family values that you would expect from the right wing demography that the Palin family certainly falls under, you would agree. She may be advocating the abortion is murder ideology, but that's not a message I, nor most people, believe to be the correct stance on the matter (but abortion issues is a whole other debate I'm sure)
The family values I am talking about however have everything to do with the fact that Palin's 17 year old daughter has had pre-marital sex, at an extremely young age, without protection and has fallen pregnant, all of which certainly goes against the Evangelical practices one would expect Palin would try to be enforcing (or at least reinforcing) such as abstinence, sex education and marriage at an appropriate age, should she make it into office.
Should we give Palin a pat on the shoulder for not throwing her daughter out on the street? Sure. What mother would do such a thing, only a heartless one in my opinion. But I ask you should we also consider that she has failed as a responsible parent if her daughter has landed into such a situation? Pregnant at 17.
And yes, I have said this is a trivial issue and I expect you to say so in response, but I'll say this again, it's the exact practices you would expect from the huge Evangelic base of Republican supporters that goes directly against Mrs Palin's daughters actions. There's no way it can be turned into a positive light, simply because she is keeping the child and will be married.
^Regarding your attack on her family values.. Sometimes a person can do their best but tough life situations will still happen to them. That position is almost assumed by Democrats. Isn't that their current welfare state model?
I'm sure the GOP knew all about her daughter before the pick. I believe part of the reason she was chosen was because they are a real family with real life issues (people relate to that kind of stuff). Most politicians would hold their head in shame and do their best to hide those imperfections. She didn't. She paraded her family out on stage despite being a political liability. It was if she was saying this is who I am, for better or for worse. There was no pretentious "holier than though attitude" on that stage last night. It must have been quite confusing to the Americans who have grown accustomed to the Washington charade. No matter what happens in November Sarah Palin earned a lot of respect from a lot of Americans.
I'm sure the GOP knew all about her daughter before the pick. I believe part of the reason she was chosen was because they are a real family with real life issues (people relate to that kind of stuff). Most politicians would hold their head in shame and do their best to hide those imperfections. She didn't. She paraded her family out on stage despite being a political liability. It was if she was saying this is who I am, for better or for worse. There was no pretentious "holier than though attitude" on that stage last night. It must have been quite confusing to the Americans who have grown accustomed to the Washington charade. No matter what happens in November Sarah Palin earned a lot of respect from a lot of Americans.
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I'm surprised the dems aren't saying" she used her retarded baby as a political prop, how disgusting. "
Bet you they will.
Bet you they will.
ATG wrote:
I'm surprised the dems aren't saying" she used her retarded baby as a political prop, how disgusting. "
Bet you they will.
Expect a neglect investigation.
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I wouldn't say it's an attack coming from me, but more of me anticipating the potential for attack from what you would consider her natural support base.Kmarion wrote:
^Regarding your attack on her family values..
I'm sure she has too, and best of luck to her.Kmarion wrote:
No matter what happens in November Sarah Palin earned a lot of respect from a lot of Americans.
It's going to be interesting once the spot light moves onto McCain\Palin and Obama\Biden working together and presenting more as Democratic and Republican advocates, rather than personal beliefs through the media.
I don't like the comparison between two candidates and would rather more actual issues based on the administrations as a whole.
Waiting for some mention of the illegal immigration issue.
From us or from the GOP?ATG wrote:
Waiting for some mention of the illegal immigration issue.