ATG
Banned
+5,233|6949|Global Command
The plot gets thicker and thicker.
Israel apparently would have based bombers out of Georgia for their attack on Iran.

And a question; who's the Superpower, the country with trillions in debt or the country with almost zero?
http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/7033-9.cfm

Has it occurred to anybody that Russia and China have the money to spend on their military like we do, they just see no reason as we are making ourselves a non threat by throwing our weight around to the point of breaking?


NATOs guarantees that an attack against one member country is an attack against all are no longer what they used to be. Had Georgia been inside NATO, a number of European countries would no longer be willing to consider it an attack against their own soil.

The European Union is still a military dwarf that swings no weight in the Kremlin. And the ineptitude of Georgia's leadership gave Russian leaders a huge new window of opportunity.

The Jerusalem Post on Aug. 12 reported, "Georgian Prime Minister Vladimir Gurgenidze made a special call to Israel Tuesday morning to receive a blessing from one of the Haredi community's most important rabbis and spiritual leaders, Rabbi Aaron Leib Steinman. "I want him to pray for us and our state," he was quoted.

Israel began selling arms to Georgia seven years ago. U.S. grants facilitated these purchases. From Israel came former minister and former mayor of Tel Aviv Roni Milo, representing Elbit Systems, and his brother Shlomo, former director-general of Military Industries. Israeli UAV spy drones, made by Elbit Maarahot Systems, conducted recon flights over southern Russia, as well as into nearby Iran.

In a secret agreement between Israel and Georgia, two military airfields in southern Georgia had been earmarked for the use of Israeli fighter bombers in the event of preemptive attacks against Iranian nuclear installations.

Moscow's oil and gas revenue this year is projected at $201 billion, a 13-fold increase since Mr. Putin succeeded Boris Yeltsin eight years ago.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/se … -caucasus/
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6763|tropical regions of london
Russia has a labor shortage.
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6968|San Diego, CA, USA

God Save the Queen wrote:

Russia has a labor shortage.
Exactly...and their mail order brides are cheap too.
TSI
Cholera in the time of love
+247|6400|Toronto
Russia also has vodka...and what does the US have? Erm.

On topic--NATO's not finished. What's finished is the host of small countries willing to oppose China, maybe also Russia. The thing about Russia is that they're riding on oil. When that goes boom, literally and figuratively, they're dried up (no pun intended). As such, Putin has to be careful--make too many enemies and you're finito in twenty years. Ergo, Russia is certainly a threat, military and economic, but that threat will not exist for too much longer. And besides, Russia has much to lose if the all-precious gas can no longer be exported due to lack of people on the other end having houses to heat and cars to drive.
I like pie.
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6888
You stole my avatar.

I should have known you would, shouldn't have bothered PMing you.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6949|Global Command

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

You stole my avatar.

I should have known you would, shouldn't have bothered PMing you.
Don't tattle.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7181

well nato and the un used to make sense and have a purpose.  now they are pointless.
jord
Member
+2,382|7098|The North, beyond the wall.
NATO is a pretty cool sounding word.
NATO

Yeah.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6830|'Murka

Have you not considered that Russia may very well have NOT attacked into Georgia if Georgia were a member of NATO?

TSI wrote:

Russia also has vodka...and what does the US have? Erm.
I suppose you've never heard of bourbon?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
TSI
Cholera in the time of love
+247|6400|Toronto
Bourbon fails. That's all I hear.
I like pie.
chittydog
less busy
+586|7255|Kubra, Damn it!

TSI wrote:

Bourbon fails. That's all I hear.
Ha! This from the country who makes the worst whiskey of all.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6830|'Murka

TSI wrote:

Bourbon fails. That's all I hear.
Then you've never had good bourbon.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
13rin
Member
+977|6899

jord wrote:

NATO is a pretty cool sounding word.
NATO

Yeah.
Sadly that's all they have going for them.  Blue helmets?  Come on.

FEOS wrote:

TSI wrote:

Bourbon fails. That's all I hear.
Then you've never had good bourbon.
Get a bottle of Makers Mark.  Then get a small glass.  Add ice.  Add Makers Mark. Enjoy.

Last edited by DBBrinson1 (2008-09-05 21:32:16)

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6763|tropical regions of london

DBBrinson1 wrote:

jord wrote:

NATO is a pretty cool sounding word.
NATO

Yeah.
Sadly that's all they have going for them.  Blue helmets?  Come on.

FEOS wrote:

TSI wrote:

Bourbon fails. That's all I hear.
Then you've never had good bourbon.
Get a bottle of Makers Mark.  Then get a small glass.  Add ice.  Add Makers Mark. Enjoy.
I thought blue helmets were for the UN?




NATO is Afghanistan.  More NATO troops than US troops.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6949|Global Command

God Save the Queen wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

jord wrote:

NATO is a pretty cool sounding word.
NATO

Yeah.
Sadly that's all they have going for them.  Blue helmets?  Come on.

FEOS wrote:


Then you've never had good bourbon.
Get a bottle of Makers Mark.  Then get a small glass.  Add ice.  Add Makers Mark. Enjoy.
I thought blue helmets were for the UN?






NATO is Afghanistan.  More NATO troops than US troops.
First time for everything.
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6763|tropical regions of london
people here keep confusing NATO with the UN.  Two totally different things.
jord
Member
+2,382|7098|The North, beyond the wall.
The UN go to wars to stand around, they couldn't save people lives on Bosnia and had to leave them to die as they couldn't take any uninjured civilians to safety.

Watch "Warriors".
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6603|Ireland
They should just combine the two to create the UN-NATO.  A super duper orginazation that will legistlate pointless papers condeming genocide and will do nothing when a member nation is attacked.

They could create an Army Armed with VW vans and bull horns.
JahManRed
wank
+646|7048|IRELAND

god job. nato is a hangover from the cold war. Wonder why Russia is so nervous. NATO unites Europe and USA to kill Russians in glorious harmony..
Commie Killer
Member
+192|6807

JahManRed wrote:

god job. nato is a hangover from the cold war. Wonder why Russia is so nervous. NATO unites Europe and USA to kill Russians in glorious harmony..
Was this a attempt to imitate rammunition or a serious post?
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7094|Canberra, AUS

Lotta_Drool wrote:

They should just combine the two to create the UN-NATO.  A super duper orginazation that will legistlate pointless papers condeming genocide and will do nothing when a member nation is attacked.

They could create an Army Armed with VW vans and bull horns.
No thanks, I don't feel like giving a military alliance that kind of leverage or a political entity military power.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7041|London, England
NATO is bullshit. Fuck defending some Eastern European shitholes from some other Eastern European shithole because of some stupid so-called "ethnic problem" because they say one word differently or someshit, so therefore they're a different ethnic group and they both hate each other. Dumb fucks can't get along with each other, simply because they're genetically a bunch of assholes. Always have been.
BALTINS
ಠ_ಠ
+37|6906|Latvia

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

NATO is bullshit. Fuck defending some Eastern European shitholes from some other Eastern European shithole because of some stupid so-called "ethnic problem" because they say one word differently or someshit, so therefore they're a different ethnic group and they both hate each other. Dumb fucks can't get along with each other, simply because they're genetically a bunch of assholes. Always have been.
Yeah, goddamn humans. Fuck them, all of them!
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6642|Escea

Commie Killer wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

god job. nato is a hangover from the cold war. Wonder why Russia is so nervous. NATO unites Europe and USA to kill Russians in glorious harmony..
Was this a attempt to imitate rammunition or a serious post?
It made me lol either way
mikkel
Member
+383|7021

BALTINS wrote:

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

NATO is bullshit. Fuck defending some Eastern European shitholes from some other Eastern European shithole because of some stupid so-called "ethnic problem" because they say one word differently or someshit, so therefore they're a different ethnic group and they both hate each other. Dumb fucks can't get along with each other, simply because they're genetically a bunch of assholes. Always have been.
Yeah, goddamn humans. Fuck them, all of them!
Yeah, straw men are much better than humans.

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