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He's been demoted to third.

what a stupid fucking farce! they ruined one of the best race finish i have ever seen. Going by the lack of action by the FIA in the Kubica V. Massa fight in Fuji 2007, this is a total double-standard here.

Hamilton stripped of Belgian GP win.

What a load of shit. Pretty harsh decision imo.

I want to see the maneauvre again myself, because to be given a 25second penalty is pretty severe.
Was it before or after the rain kicked in?

FIA: Fucking Intolerable Assholes.

McLaren have lodged an appeal.

McLaren have lodged an appeal against Lewis Hamilton's demotion to third place in the Belgian Grand Prix, the FIA confirmed on Sunday night.

Hamilton was handed a 25-second penalty for gaining an advantage against then race leader Kimi Raikkonen after cutting the chicane two laps from home at Spa-Francorchamps.

McLaren spent some time on Sunday night evaluating whether they could appeal the penalty, but an FIA statement said that the team had indeed notified the stewards of their intention to appeal.

It means the result of the Belgian Grand Prix will now be decided at a hearing of the FIA's International Court of Appeal.

Ferrari did not hide their criticism of the way Hamilton behaved after cutting the chicane, with their team principal Stefano Domenicali saying he had no doubt the way Hamilton retook the lead was the result of the benefit he had in cutting the chicane.

"Personally, I think it was a little bit extreme," he explained. "It's normal that when you attack that you are racing, but the problem is (of) the advantage that may take by doing a manoeuvre and this is the key point of it, so I think that that's the focus that has to be considered.

"What is really the advantage that you are taking in such conditions that can be used in the second situation at the first corner? That, in my view, is the most important thing. But this is racing."

Domenicali did not wish to make any comments on the decision to impose a 25-second penalty, however.

"As I said to your Italian colleagues, we are not used to commenting on decisions. The only thing I would say is that as soon as we had been summoned by the stewards, we gave our position to the stewards and that was it.

"Then the stewards for sure listened to the Hamilton discussion on that, and that is the decision. On that we don't want to take any further comment."

Ferrari have insisted that they did not lodge any official protest with the race stewards about the matter.

I'm not sure how I feel about this. Hamilton clearly didn't give enough space to Kimi on the straight when he backed off, because there were side by side. I'm sure FIA regulations have something about half a car length distance of something. Poor McLaren, what a crap weekend.

Last edited by kylef (2008-09-07 10:58:20)

fucking wanker shitheads i piss on the FIA's entire governing body

Jenspm wrote:

Sweet!


Ferrari ftw.

not really massa had an average race, wasn't spoke about much. Totally didn't deserve this "victory"

kimi is just a twat, as usual. l2drive

Jenspm wrote:

Hamilton is pretty awesome in the rain.


If anyone in the F1 series is a twat, it's Hamilton. Seriously.

lol g1 jensperm

imo bernie ecclestone is the twat in f1 first he wanted to get rid of british gp then he does this absolute cunt

i admit kimi showed signs of coming back today until the rain came hahaha fgt

Last edited by kptk92 (2008-09-07 11:53:49)

I agree with Jenspm, kptk. Hamilton is a fantastic driver but stop bashing every other one ... Kimi was really on top form today and deserved to at least finish, he drove flawlessly until the final 2 laps where there were issues. (yes I know he crashed on his own but the whole different circumstances different situation occurs here)

Snake - I think the regulations only apply when a driver must move back. Had there been an accident there would have been an investigation, but there wasn't (referring to Massa / Raikkonen). I think the investigation was on the first overtaking move from Hamilton, he could have braked and waited for another moment but didn't. (bit like Kovalainen/Webber but less extravagant)

Following Ayumiz's sig ... I don't think FIA / stewards like McLaren for that, hence the (arguably over-) aggressiveness of them.

Hamilton got owneeeed.

Kimi should have gotten the race in the bag.

haha hamilton sucks


(what happened?)

SamTheMan:D wrote:

haha hamilton sucks


(what happened?)

hamilton got sucked off by your mum

(he won the race but got stripped of his victory because raikonnen didnt l2speed)



@Jens ye alonso should go somewhere, maybe take up raikonnen's place next year if he goes through with retirement

Last edited by kptk92 (2008-09-07 13:29:26)

kptk92 wrote:

massa had an average race, wasn't spoke about much. Totally didn't deserve this "victory"

Agreed.

kptk92 wrote:

kimi is just a twat, as usual. l2drive

Say what? Being the fastest on the track (until the end) and current world champion means he needs to "l2drive"? Grow up. Hes just had a bad season and let the pressure get to him.
Hes not a twat: he just shows no emotion. Which is why Hammi > Kimi.

Jenspm wrote:

If anyone in the F1 series is a twat, it's Hamilton. Seriously.

Negative. Alonso. Hands down.
Cocky, and full of shit.

kylef wrote:

Hamilton is a fantastic driver but stop bashing every other one ... Kimi was really on top form today and deserved to at least finish, he drove flawlessly until the final 2 laps where there were issues. (yes I know he crashed on his own but the whole different circumstances different situation occurs here)

Best response so far. Ive never been a Kimi fan, but that is spot on.

kylef wrote:

Snake - I think the regulations only apply when a driver must move back. Had there been an accident there would have been an investigation, but there wasn't (referring to Massa / Raikkonen). I think the investigation was on the first overtaking move from Hamilton, he could have braked and waited for another moment but didn't. (bit like Kovalainen/Webber but less extravagant)

Well, applying that principle, you could say the same for any overtaking move? "Oh, I better not do it here, even though it looks safe, because he might force me off the track and give ME a 25second penalty". I mean, come on...
If you are pushing for the lead, or any place for that matter, you will try to overtake: all forms of overtaking except on straights involve risk of collision of some kind. Hammy had to brake to avoid driving straight off (and taking the outside line), but should Kimi have broke harder, taking a much tighter line around the inside of the corner rather than force him off, and allowed Hamilton past?
Perhaps, and I think he should have done in the situation, even if it would ruin his racing line for the next approach. Remember that Kimi had to get a result today for Ferrari to back him and not Massa, so with Hamilton closing that 2.5second lead within a few laps, Kimi knew he had no chance of winning with Hamilton all over him like that: he had no intention of letting Hamilton past. Not only that, but he would never get past Hammy after letting him past.


But he was on the defence: Hamilton was on the offence, something or someone had to give. Kimi didnt: Hammy had to. And Hammy got penalised for evading a two-car crash, that would have been caused by both drivers sheer reluctance to give in.
There have been many maneauvers similar to this over the years and nothing has been said, and the defending driver even took a different line to avoid confrontation.

Further more, Hamilton let Kimi past on the straight right afterwards, showing that he knew he had to give the lead back: and he did. I see no problem with that. At all. To top things off, just watched that (better) video provided by kp...Kimi actually hit the back of Hamilton on the corner following being overtaken. Shouldnt Kimi be penalised? Oh wait.

Everyone seems to be quick to point the finger at the "young and inexperienced" Hamilton, however, Kimi has just as much responsibility in this as Hamilton by forcing him off the track.

With only a few laps left to go, you have to take those chances, and he did. Had he not, he may not have got another chance, and thats not racing: thats follow the leader. (as it was, the rain hampered everyone anyway, but the extent of it was unknown at the time).

Last edited by Snake (2008-09-07 13:36:16)