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why do have to bring is mother into it !!!!!!!!!!
hamilton fucked up yet again accept it and stop insulting people and there families

Snake - afaik, he wasn't punished for the trip to the escape lane, but because he didn't give the lead back properly. When I saw it live, I though, "wtf, that's not enough". I mean, he gave him almost nothing before rushing up and beating him to the corner. IMO, he should've given Raikkonen that first corner, and then continued to race normaly.

I'm just disapointed in Toyota again, no consistency in their driving ... one of the richest teams should be able to sign better drivers tbh, hope they snatch Bruno Senna for next season

Snake wrote:

Further more, Hamilton let Kimi past on the straight right afterwards, showing that he knew he had to give the lead back: and he did. I see no problem with that. At all. To top things off, just watched that (better) video provided by kp...Kimi actually hit the back of Hamilton on the corner following being overtaken. Shouldnt Kimi be penalised? Oh wait.

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Snake wrote:

Jenspm wrote:

Snake - afaik, he wasn't punished for the trip to the escape lane, but because he didn't give the lead back properly. When I saw it live, I though, "wtf, that's not enough". I mean, he gave him almost nothing before rushing up and beating him to the corner. IMO, he should've given Raikkonen that first corner, and then continued to race normaly.

I thought it was because he cut the chicane?
Anyway...how much is enough? There is no definition of it. You cant penalise somebody depending upon your own interpretation of the rules (pointed @ the FIA).
He got forced off the track, got back onto the track in the lead and duly gave back the lead (rules/sportsmanship): why should he wait any longer to regain the lead? He had to slow down to let Kimi past, so Hammy must have out-accelerated the Ferrari to then catch him up.

Regardless, perhaps he didnt give enough time, perhaps he did. There is no doubt Hammy would still have passed him later on in the race, therefore making this whole issue utterly pointless. Well, except to determine the above I guess.

The young Briton appeared to do so, with Raikkonen crossing the start-finish line narrowly ahead, before Hamilton promptly filed in behind.

So ye, Lewis was behind on the start/finish line anyway. So really Lewis had given the position back.

Last edited by kptk92 (2008-09-07 13:59:51)

Jenspm wrote:

kptk92 wrote:

Snake wrote:

Further more, Hamilton let Kimi past on the straight right afterwards, showing that he knew he had to give the lead back: and he did. I see no problem with that. At all. To top things off, just watched that (better) video provided by kp...Kimi actually hit the back of Hamilton on the corner following being overtaken. Shouldnt Kimi be penalised? Oh wait.

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Snake wrote:

I thought it was because he cut the chicane?
Anyway...how much is enough? There is no definition of it. You cant penalise somebody depending upon your own interpretation of the rules (pointed @ the FIA).
He got forced off the track, got back onto the track in the lead and duly gave back the lead (rules/sportsmanship): why should he wait any longer to regain the lead? He had to slow down to let Kimi past, so Hammy must have out-accelerated the Ferrari to then catch him up.

Regardless, perhaps he didnt give enough time, perhaps he did. There is no doubt Hammy would still have passed him later on in the race, therefore making this whole issue utterly pointless. Well, except to determine the above I guess.

The young Briton appeared to do so, with Raikkonen crossing the start-finish line narrowly ahead, before Hamilton promptly filed in behind.

So ye, Lewis was behind on the start/finish line anyway. So really Lewis had given the position back.

seriously, that is no way to give the position back. Giving the position back should be to the next corner, not for a split second on the straight.

Well, in my opinion, in a race when a car overtakes another car on the same lap they gain one position. So when Raikonnen overtook Lewis coming out of the Bus Stop Chicane, he regained his position.

A McLaren spokesperson declared: "We looked at all our data and also made it available to the FIA stewards. It showed that, having lifted, Lewis was 6km/h slower than Kimi as they crossed the start/finish line.

"Having passed the lead back to Kimi, Lewis repositioned his car, moving across and behind Kimi to the right-hand line and then outbraked him into the hairpin. Based on this data, we have no option other than to register our intention to appeal."

Having the telemetry, I cannot help but believe that it will confirm the error in judgement by the stewards at Spa.  I can only hope the FIA are as willing to reconsider, as there were to strip the win.

Is it just me, or do the stewards at Spa have a hardon for Mclaren?
I mean, I know the Ferrari are the golden child of the FIA...but c'mon...

The FIA Really need to employ the stewards, not the local facility, as is my understanding.

Last edited by TC.Troy (2008-09-07 14:44:47)

kptk92 wrote:

McLaren have had a poor past two years in general. The spy scandel last year kinda started it, then Alonso and Lewis' relationship crumbled. Then this year has also had its ups and downs.

Well yeah, I am all too familiar with that situation.  I think personally that Stepneygate have much to do with the stewards view of Mclaren, thus they judge them accordingly.  I may be WAY off the mark on this, but observation tells me otherwise.

Zimmer wrote:

Hamilton got owneeeed.

Kimi should have gotten the race in the bag.

He put in a excellent  drive.... but anyone who cant bring the car to the finish shouldn't get anything.
"To finish first, first you must finish"
Not to take anything away from kimi, but he got the lead back, and lost it for himself. It happens, it sucks... but you gotta do all the laps, and he didn't plain and simple... he should have got what he got...

Hamilton made an amazing start though, he shot off on his own and I think the fact that he held second even after a spin is pretty impressive (even if his spin did hold others up)

He also did an awesome job chasing kimi down to even challenge for first, and put on enough pressure for kimi to make a mistake.

I have to say, I dunno that hamilton should get a penalty. He got forced out, and had to take the escape route... thats why they have it there. He gave back the lead as required.... It is true that he didn't give very much of a lead back... but would you?
In the end that didn't even contribute to the result anyways. Kimi lost it under the pressure Hamilton didn't even nudge him, sucks for sure... but I don't see it as hamilton's fault.

I don't know if I would call it a great finish, tense for sure... It looked like it was hard enough for Lewis to bring the car home , and was most definitely interesting to see them forced into racing with slick tires in the wet.... but honestly I like to see races won and lost on driver skill alone, not accidents and circumstance.

I feel bad for Lewis though, such a struggle to come out on top, only to have that stripped from him... Must be hard.
I imagine that he still maintains a champion ship lead, though Massa must be a bit close for comfort?

Also really sucks for Kimi, with no points, and Massa taking 1st team orders have to come into effect soon. Being told your not allowed to win, especially as reining world champ has to be a bad moment.

Still a few races left, should get interesting (I hope they didn't let what it would mean for the champion ship battle interfere with their decision)

(I know, late reply but I just got a chance to watch it.)

Last edited by VicktorVauhn (2008-09-09 02:09:42)

Found a good vid, 143mins of SPA 2008

http://goshopjapan.com/forum/share-rant … ian-final/