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2008-09-07 18:52:50

#126

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6890

usmarine wrote:
my god uzique, and you accuse me of not reading your posts.

Ok yes sorry, I thought you were still going on about your first point to do with burning holy books.

A book is just made of paper just as a flag is made out of nothing but cloth. I totally agree with this, paper isn't inherently sacred, nor is the material that makes a flag.

Having said that I agree with this basic (and abstract) contention, I still have to say that... I don't care if people burn Bibles, just as I don't understand why people get so ante'd up over the incorrect disposal of a flag. Whatever gets them through a cold winter!

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2008-09-07 19:11:10

#127

Vilham: Say wat!?; +580|7186|UK

Um, is that picture the actual flags? Coz those flags blatantly weren't going to be binned, who collects rubbish to throw away but before they do neatly organises it all?

Every single one of the flags are wrapped into bundles, im pretty sure if they were being binned they would just be chucked in bags. Heres an example:

After a baseball game do they go around stacking all the beer cups and neatly put them in bags? No what a total waste of man hours they just chuck em in a bag.

2008-09-07 19:39:32

#128

imortal: Member; +240|7084|Austin, TX

mikkel wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
Both show lack of respect.
What would you suggest? That all surplus and discarded flags be put into perpetual storage?

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/4/us … -000-.html

US Code: Title 4, chapter 1, section 8 wrote:
No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.

2008-09-07 19:49:39

#129

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6890

Where exactly does this logic derive from that states burning something is 'dignified'? Not criticising here or being sarcastic, genuinely interested as to where the reasoning behind that 'custom' comes from .

Oh and half of the 'clauses' set out in that legislation are terrible haha. Never used as covering for a ceiling? I bet TONS of people have a flag above their bed and things to that effect. I bet a lot of the American people are technically breaking a law according to those rules laid out above!

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2008-09-07 19:58:59

#130

imortal: Member; +240|7084|Austin, TX

Uzique wrote:
Where exactly does this logic derive from that states burning something is 'dignified'? Not criticising here or being sarcastic, genuinely interested as to where the reasoning behind that 'custom' comes from .

Oh and half of the 'clauses' set out in that legislation are terrible haha. Never used as covering for a ceiling? I bet TONS of people have a flag above their bed and things to that effect. I bet a lot of the American people are technically breaking a law according to those rules laid out above!

http://everything2.com/e2node/Retiremen … s%2520Flag

Ceremonial Burning

Fire and Flag Preparation:
The burning of a Flag should take place at a campfire in a ceremony separate from the Ceremony of Final Tribute. The fire must be sizable (preferably having burnt down to a bed of red hot coals to avoid having bits of the Flag being carried off by a roaring fire), yet be of sufficient intensity to ensure complete burning.
Before the ceremony begins, the color guard assigned to the Flag opens up its tri-corner fold and then refolds it in a coffin-shaped rectangle.

When all is ready:

All assemble around the fire. The leader calls the group to attention.

The color guard comes forward and places the Flag on the fire.

All briskly salute.

After the salute, but while still at attention, the leader should conduct a respectful educational program as the Flag burns: e.g. singing of "God Bless America"; offering an inspiring message of the Flag's meaning followed by the "Pledge of Allegiance"; performing a reading about the Flag; reciting the "American's Creed"; etc.

When the Flag is consumed, those assembled, with the exception of a leader and the color guard, should be dismissed. They should be led out in single file and in silence.

The leader and color guard should remain to ensure that the Flag is completely consumed, and to burn additional Flags, if any.

The fire should then be safely extinguished.

2008-09-07 20:07:47

#131

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6572|what

Wow. You want to dispose of a flag so it needs a fucking ceremonial fire. That's better than what most people get.

2008-09-07 22:06:56

#132

Ajax_the_Great1: Dropped on request; +206|7066

TheAussieReaper wrote:
Wow. You want to dispose of a flag so it needs a fucking ceremonial fire. That's better than what most people get.

Maybe in Mexico.

2008-09-08 01:58:05

#133

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6831|'Murka

God Save the Queen wrote:
should have chosen a different word. I just seem to recall issues about the flag always end up getting mentioned whenever other, more important things are out there. flags arent supposed to be worn as articles of clothing either.

or allowed to be flown at night without a light being shown on it.

There is a difference between turning a flag into a piece of clothing/bedding/whatever and having a piece of clothing/bedding/whatever with a flag design (or any part thereof) on it.

“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular

2008-09-08 03:16:23

#134

oug: Calmer than you are.; +380|6939|Πάϊ

usmarine wrote:
Uzique wrote:
Same, although I say that is a rather terrible comparison/example.
is it not just paper? one of you answer that please.

it is

so burn the motherfuckin thing if you want

burn my bible, burn my flag see if I give a fuck. Hell I do it myself when there's a reason.

_ƒ³

2008-09-08 04:32:38

#135

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,822|6526|eXtreme to the maX

a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.

You people really are bananas.
Get over the stupid flag fetish FFS.

Fuck Israel

2008-09-08 04:48:39

#136

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,822|6526|eXtreme to the maX

Really the world finds you funny.

https://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj256/Dilbert_X/RW029LS.jpg

When we're not trying to dodge your bombs we are laughing.

That and downloading your last major export - porn.

https://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj256/Dilbert_X/B000EPR626_01-AR373XMRX7VJ1_PT02__S.jpg

Although TBH I bet she's a european import, not being morbidly obese is the giveaway.

Fuck Israel

2008-09-08 04:55:45

#137

mikkel: Member; +383|7021

usmarine wrote:
oug wrote:
usmarine wrote:

oh i am sorry. i will just go around saying the US sucks.

so here is a question for you guys.

back a while ago a US soldier got in trouble for doing nasty things to the koran. a lot of you were pissed and started bashing the US as usual with the usual and typical bf2s lines. but, its only a book. whats the problem? why were a lot of you pissed at that since it is only a book? paper and glue.
Throwing some extra flags away because you have no use for them or whatever is one thing. Intentionally doing "nasty things" to them is another. There's a symbolism when you burn a flag for example (not that I have any particular problem with the latter).
it doesnt matter. all i hear is "it is just cloth" well a book is "just paper and glue" you guys want to play that game for one and not the other.

If the soldier had disposed of the Koran as surplus material, then your comparison would be valid, and I don't think many sensible people would've objected to it. Defacing a symbol is an obvious attack on what it represents, however, while simply disposing of it by available means is not. You're essentially asking why people don't feel as outraged by the disposal of surplus symbols as they do by the intentional and malicious defacement of symbols. I'm sure you know that, though, and you're being deliberately dishonest.

2008-09-08 04:59:56

#138

mikkel: Member; +383|7021

imortal wrote:
mikkel wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
Both show lack of respect.
What would you suggest? That all surplus and discarded flags be put into perpetual storage?
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/4/us … -000-.html
US Code: Title 4, chapter 1, section 8 wrote:
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.

Sorry, but considering that line, either all of America is criminal, or that whole section is pointless and laughable.

2008-09-08 05:16:06

#139

some_random_panda: Flamesuit essential; +454|6810

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/6/ … /70/575554

Other side to story?

2008-09-08 05:22:37

#140

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7091|UK

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2008-09-08 05:26:46

#141

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6572|what

2008-09-08 05:32:00

#142

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7181

this thread has become real lame. once again euros who dont understand should butt the fuck out. but no, of course, half the responses are from people who dont even live here. you guys keep saying surplus flags and such. and i told you that they could be placed at a cemetery, not the trash, but, that seems to have fallen on deaf ears as usual.

this thread was good but turned to stupid youboob vids and google links. fuck this thread and fuck this section. and fuck most of you tbh.

2008-09-08 05:37:48

#143

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7091|UK

Are the painters in marine?

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2008-09-08 05:40:19

#144

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,822|6526|eXtreme to the maX

this thread was good but turned to stupid youboob vids and google links. fuck this thread and fuck this section. and fuck most of you tbh.

Pot-kettle.

I support the use of the American flag as a wank rag

As does the current US President if the youtube vid is anything to go by.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2008-09-08 05:42:28)

Fuck Israel

2008-09-08 05:41:59

#145

mikkel: Member; +383|7021

usmarine wrote:
this thread has become real lame. once again euros who dont understand should butt the fuck out. but no, of course, half the responses are from people who dont even live here. you guys keep saying surplus flags and such. and i told you that they could be placed at a cemetery, not the trash, but, that seems to have fallen on deaf ears as usual.

this thread was good but turned to stupid youboob vids and google links. fuck this thread and fuck this section. and fuck most of you tbh.

There were 12,000 flags. Your comments didn't fall on deaf ears, they just weren't really seen as a practical, considering the amount of flags. You really need to stop assuming that your opinions and suggestions are better than those of everyone else, and that anyone who disagrees is either stupid or ignoring you.

Last edited by mikkel (2008-09-08 05:42:46)

2008-09-08 05:49:38

#146

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,822|6526|eXtreme to the maX

There were 12,000 flags.

Maybe the lame two party system in the US should stop using the US flag as advertising for themselves and keep it for public buildings, military vehicles and beach wear for hot chicks.

Fuck Israel

2008-09-08 05:51:36

#147

mikkel: Member; +383|7021

Dilbert_X wrote:
There were 12,000 flags.
Maybe the lame two party system in the US should stop using the US flag as advertising for themselves and keep it for public buildings, military vehicles and beach wear for hot chicks.

This is what I was arguing in the first place, yes. They apparently had 125,000 flags in total. Absolutely ridiculous.

2008-09-08 06:01:12

#148

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,822|6526|eXtreme to the maX

And my personal favourite.

https://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj256/Dilbert_X/defendbanner.jpg

http://www.defendourporn.org/?cat=8

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2008-09-08 06:24:26)

Fuck Israel

2008-09-08 06:19:37

#149

oug: Calmer than you are.; +380|6939|Πάϊ

usmarine wrote:
once again euros who dont understand should butt the fuck out.

hahaha!

I assume you mean those who maintain a different stance than yours?

on a side note, I wonder how soon the entire country would be filled with flags if none of them were ever disposed of...

also, if you have a pic of a flag on your pc, is it ok to delete it? lol

_ƒ³

2008-09-08 06:29:00

#150

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,822|6526|eXtreme to the maX

Fire and Flag Preparation:
The burning of a Flag should take place at a campfire in a ceremony separate from the Ceremony of Final Tribute. The fire must be sizable (preferably having burnt down to a bed of red hot coals to avoid having bits of the Flag being carried off by a roaring fire), yet be of sufficient intensity to ensure complete burning.
Before the ceremony begins, the color guard assigned to the Flag opens up its tri-corner fold and then refolds it in a coffin-shaped rectangle.

When all is ready:
All assemble around the fire. The leader calls the group to attention.
The color guard comes forward and places the Flag on the fire.
All briskly salute.
After the salute, but while still at attention, the leader should conduct a respectful educational program as the Flag burns: e.g. singing of "God Bless America"; offering an inspiring message of the Flag's meaning followed by the "Pledge of Allegiance"; performing a reading about the Flag; reciting the "American's Creed"; etc.

When the Flag is consumed, those assembled, with the exception of a leader and the color guard, should be dismissed. They should be led out in single file and in silence.
The leader and color guard should remain to ensure that the Flag is completely consumed, and to burn additional Flags, if any.
The fire should then be safely extinguished.

They apparently had 125,000 flags in total.

Holy crap, these guys are going to be burning, singing and saluting until they die. Thats patriotism for ya.

Fuck Israel

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Kmarion wrote:

US Code: Title 4, chapter 1, section 8 wrote:

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God Save the Queen wrote:

usmarine wrote:

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usmarine wrote:

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US Code: Title 4, chapter 1, section 8 wrote:

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