Poll

Citizens who join the British army be stripped of Irish citizenship?

Yes40%40% - 17
No59%59% - 25
Total: 42
Braddock
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jord wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

No loss to us - hope they get creamed out in Afghanistan.
Wow Cam, wow.
Look at it this way, how would you feel if one of your fellow Englishmen joined the IRA?
AussieReaper
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The now disbanded IRA, that one?
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
jord
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Braddock wrote:

jord wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

No loss to us - hope they get creamed out in Afghanistan.
Wow Cam, wow.
Look at it this way, how would you feel if one of your fellow Englishmen joined the IRA?
I'd be angry yes, but wishing death on them?

Not really, no. Besides they'd just get bullied by by the IRA anyway for being English.
CameronPoe
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jord wrote:

Braddock wrote:

jord wrote:


Wow Cam, wow.
Look at it this way, how would you feel if one of your fellow Englishmen joined the IRA?
I'd be angry yes, but wishing death on them?

Not really, no. Besides they'd just get bullied by by the IRA anyway for being English.
How would you feel about Brits who spied for Russia causing the deaths of hundreds of fellow Britons?
jord
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CameronPoe wrote:

jord wrote:

Braddock wrote:


Look at it this way, how would you feel if one of your fellow Englishmen joined the IRA?
I'd be angry yes, but wishing death on them?

Not really, no. Besides they'd just get bullied by by the IRA anyway for being English.
How would you feel about Brits who spied for Russia causing the deaths of hundreds of fellow Britons?
I have the feeling this is going to be true and you're going to link me to the story...

Angry is how I'd feel, but do people joining for the Republic of Ireland spy for Ireland's enemies and get 100's of irishmen killed...?
jord
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... or was that just a really bad example?
coke
Aye up duck!
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CameronPoe wrote:

jord wrote:

Braddock wrote:


Look at it this way, how would you feel if one of your fellow Englishmen joined the IRA?
I'd be angry yes, but wishing death on them?

Not really, no. Besides they'd just get bullied by by the IRA anyway for being English.
How would you feel about Brits who spied for Russia causing the deaths of hundreds of fellow Britons?
They are traitors, although I don't really see the British army currently killing hundreds of Irish...
Get over it, wishing that they get "creamed in Afghanistan" makes you more of a traitor than them in my eyes.
CameronPoe
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jord wrote:

I have the feeling this is going to be true and you're going to link me to the story...

Angry is how I'd feel, but do people joining for the Republic of Ireland spy for Ireland's enemies and get 100's of irishmen killed...?
It isn't unheard of....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/th … 72848.html
jord
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CameronPoe wrote:

jord wrote:

I have the feeling this is going to be true and you're going to link me to the story...

Angry is how I'd feel, but do people joining for the Republic of Ireland spy for Ireland's enemies and get 100's of irishmen killed...?
It isn't unheard of....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/th … 72848.html
No Russia and the UK are in peace time. I want a link of when someone who joined the British Army from the Republic of Ireland got 100's of irishmen killed in peace time please.
IG-Calibre
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Lets keep the focus on these "neo-soupers" please Sasanach!..

"took soup"  -  we still recall stories from the Great Hunger era (irish famine) of English efforts to gain converts to the Church of England. The British sought to capitalize on the starvation of the mostly Catholic Irish poor — a starvation they did much to promote — by offering life sustaining soup to those who would renounce their faith.

Most preferred hunger or emigration, but those who “took the soup” or “soupers” were always referred to bitterly. It was a form of degradation, and worse, a collaboration with their persecutors.

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2008-09-08 09:16:47)

CameronPoe
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coke wrote:

Get over it, wishing that they get "creamed in Afghanistan" makes you more of a traitor than them in my eyes.
I'm a traitor? Why?
CameronPoe
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jord wrote:

No Russia and the UK are in peace time. I want a link of when someone who joined the British Army from the Republic of Ireland got 100's of irishmen killed in peace time please.
An Irishman could well be asked to engage in what the Brits engaged in on Bloody Sunday if the political climate changed and such orders came through. Let's face it - these guys joined an army that occupies six counties of Ireland against the will of the indigenous population. It's as simple as that. It's as if the Nazis had occupied Britain, cleared off, but got an agreement to keep Cornwall, and then some Londoners went to joint he Nazi army.

I'd have more respect for them if they had joined the French Foreign Legion - at least they helped our asses down through the ages (if pathetically).

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-09-08 08:57:12)

M.O.A.B
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Braddock wrote:

jord wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

No loss to us - hope they get creamed out in Afghanistan.
Wow Cam, wow.
Look at it this way, how would you feel if one of your fellow Englishmen joined the IRA?
I'd be a tad miffed cos they joined a terrorist group, but to essentially tar the British Army with that brush is taking it a bit far.
jord
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CameronPoe wrote:

jord wrote:

No Russia and the UK are in peace time. I want a link of when someone who joined the British Army from the Republic of Ireland got 100's of irishmen killed in peace time please.
An Irishman could well be asked to engage in what the Brits engaged in on Bloody Sunday if the political climate changed and such orders came through. Let's face it - these guys joined an army that occupies six counties of Ireland against the will of the indigenous population. It's as simple as that. It's as if the Nazis had occupied Britain, cleared off, but got an agreement to keep Cornwall, and then some Londoners went to joint he Nazi army.
I know what the situation is I don't need it spelled out to me as if my country is the equivalent of the Nazi's.
jord
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CameronPoe wrote:

coke wrote:

Get over it, wishing that they get "creamed in Afghanistan" makes you more of a traitor than them in my eyes.
I'm a traitor? Why?
I assume because you wish the death of your countrymen because they joined a foreign military. Maybe to see action, maybe because their family and friends got killed in a terrorist attack and it's their only chance of getting back. Though it's all the same huh, they deserve to die either way...

Last edited by jord (2008-09-08 09:05:21)

jord
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France wanted your island too as a staging point to invade England, so they didn't really help you.

Unless helping an old woman across the road into her house so you can try and rape her is helping...
CameronPoe
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jord wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

jord wrote:

No Russia and the UK are in peace time. I want a link of when someone who joined the British Army from the Republic of Ireland got 100's of irishmen killed in peace time please.
An Irishman could well be asked to engage in what the Brits engaged in on Bloody Sunday if the political climate changed and such orders came through. Let's face it - these guys joined an army that occupies six counties of Ireland against the will of the indigenous population. It's as simple as that. It's as if the Nazis had occupied Britain, cleared off, but got an agreement to keep Cornwall, and then some Londoners went to joint he Nazi army.
I know what the situation is I don't need it spelled out to me as if my country is the equivalent of the Nazi's.
I'm not equating anything to the Nazis - I'm just using the real world example that was attempted by the Nazis on the UK in 1941 - to generate some empathy.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-09-08 09:12:52)

CameronPoe
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jord wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

coke wrote:

Get over it, wishing that they get "creamed in Afghanistan" makes you more of a traitor than them in my eyes.
I'm a traitor? Why?
I assume because you wish the death of your countrymen because they joined a foreign military. Maybe to see action, maybe because their family and friends got killed in a terrorist attack and it's their only chance of getting back. Though it's all the same huh, they deserve to die either way...
Jord - I'm not wishing ill on British soldiers in the British army. I'm wishing ill on turncoats, that's all. There are people on this island alive today who lost relatives and ancesters to the British army from the late 1800s up to the present day.

PS Don't understand your terrorist attack reference.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-09-08 09:15:39)

M.O.A.B
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Let's hope this doesn't become one of them international incidents ,

Ireland had quite a large helping for Nazi's during WWII, now that's pretty bad stuff.
CameronPoe
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M.O.A.B wrote:

Let's hope this doesn't become one of them international incidents ,

Ireland had quite a large helping for Nazi's during WWII, now that's pretty bad stuff.
Try doing a bit of reading. Ireland provided airspace for allied flyovers and provided no help whatsoever to the Nazis. The only point of contention is that we didn't let the Jews in.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-09-08 09:16:47)

M.O.A.B
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jord
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CameronPoe wrote:

jord wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


I'm a traitor? Why?
I assume because you wish the death of your countrymen because they joined a foreign military. Maybe to see action, maybe because their family and friends got killed in a terrorist attack and it's their only chance of getting back. Though it's all the same huh, they deserve to die either way...
Jord - I'm not wishing ill on British soldiers in the British army. I'm wishing ill on turncoats, that's all. There are people on this island alive today who lost relatives and ancesters to the British army from the late 1800s up to the present day.

PS Don't understand your terrorist attack reference.
The reference was an example of why someone might join the B. Army. And I wanted to know whether they fell into your "Irish citizens in the British Army that are allowed to live" box. If of course you have one.

If your kid was in London visiting, and was blown to bits by Islamic terrorists, and the only way you could get revenge was by joining the British Army. Is that okay?
CameronPoe
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jord wrote:

The reference was an example of why someone might join the B. Army. And I wanted to know whether they fell into your "Irish citizens in the British Army that are allowed to live" box. If of course you have one.

If your kid was in London visiting, and was blown to bits by Islamic terrorists, and the only way you could get revenge was by joining the British Army. Is that okay?
The British army is NOT fighting terrorism. You can't fight terrorism with armies. The whole concept of a 'war on terror' is ludicrous. As evidenced by the British Army's inability to defeat the IRA, a terrorist organisation that carried out numerous heinous and dishonourable disgusting acts in its recent history. When an army is used to fight terrorism they generally end up killing more civilians than terrorists, generating even more 'terrorists' as a consequence.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-09-08 09:23:50)

IG-Calibre
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jord wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

jord wrote:


I assume because you wish the death of your countrymen because they joined a foreign military. Maybe to see action, maybe because their family and friends got killed in a terrorist attack and it's their only chance of getting back. Though it's all the same huh, they deserve to die either way...
Jord - I'm not wishing ill on British soldiers in the British army. I'm wishing ill on turncoats, that's all. There are people on this island alive today who lost relatives and ancesters to the British army from the late 1800s up to the present day.

PS Don't understand your terrorist attack reference.
The reference was an example of why someone might join the B. Army. And I wanted to know whether they fell into your "Irish citizens in the British Army that are allowed to live" box. If of course you have one.

If your kid was in London visiting, and was blown to bits by Islamic terrorists, and the only way you could get revenge was by joining the British Army. Is that okay?
skating on thin ice given the  amount of children killed by the British crown forces here in the north of Ireland from 1968-2005.. how does revenge look now... justifiable?
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
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CameronPoe wrote:

jord wrote:

The reference was an example of why someone might join the B. Army. And I wanted to know whether they fell into your "Irish citizens in the British Army that are allowed to live" box. If of course you have one.

If your kid was in London visiting, and was blown to bits by Islamic terrorists, and the only way you could get revenge was by joining the British Army. Is that okay?
The British army is NOT fighting terrorism. You can't fight terrorism with armies. The whole concept of a 'war on terror' is ludicrous. As evidenced by the British Army's inability to defeat the IRA, a terrorist organisation that carried out numerous heinous and dishonourable disgusting acts in its recent history. When an army is used to fight terrorism they generally end up killing more civilians than terrorists, generating even more 'terrorists' as a consequence.
Didn't the IRA give up though? So in essence, they backed down from the fight.

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