BF2S Forums Infanticide......

i'm actually split on this issue even how absurd it may sound. I do not agree with having an abortion later on the in pregnancy if the baby would be able to survive. but in some cases like severe retardation and other sicknesses that would make the kid's life miserable and the mom's life miserable too, I support the abortions.

and i can not answer when a baby becomes a human but if it can survive when it's born it should be given a chance unless it's handicapped (sorry i just can't believe that they will have a good life, especially not if they were unwanted and therefore aborted)

motherdear wrote:

i'm actually split on this issue even how absurd it may sound. I do not agree with having an abortion later on the in pregnancy if the baby would be able to survive. but in some cases like severe retardation and other sicknesses that would make the kid's life miserable and the mom's life miserable too, I support the abortions.

and i can not answer when a baby becomes a human but if it can survive when it's born it should be given a chance unless it's handicapped (sorry i just can't believe that they will have a good life, especially not if they were unwanted and therefore aborted)

so...kill babies who are handicapped....

good call......

im glad my aunt didnt think like you when she was delivering my handicapped cousin

Schwarzelungen wrote:

motherdear wrote:

i'm actually split on this issue even how absurd it may sound. I do not agree with having an abortion later on the in pregnancy if the baby would be able to survive. but in some cases like severe retardation and other sicknesses that would make the kid's life miserable and the mom's life miserable too, I support the abortions.

and i can not answer when a baby becomes a human but if it can survive when it's born it should be given a chance unless it's handicapped (sorry i just can't believe that they will have a good life, especially not if they were unwanted and therefore aborted)

so...kill babies who are handicapped....

good call......

im glad my aunt didnt think like you when she was delivering my handicapped cousin

Nor would my son have survived. And we and everyone who knows him wouldn't have been blessed by knowing him, inspired by his strength and courage every single day. You people who say the handicapped should just be aborted or done away with likely haven't dealt with any handicapped people--really, truly dealt with them--or else you wouldn't be spouting off that nonsense.

I'll chalk it up to ignorance rather than bigotry.

People here are getting a little off topic. The OP is talking about abortion of a baby that is born and then left to die. Some of you are missing this. I do believe abortion should be an option in case of rape or incest (as early as possible) or if there is a significant chance that the mother or child is at risk of death. Other than that, no way, especially, if you choose to carry the baby full term then you should deal with the outcome of that choice.

I have several friends (couples) who are waiting for adoption, up to a two year waiting list, because they cant have children on their own. I also know a couple who knew their child would have major medical problems if born and still gave birth to that child and today that child is healthy even though the child went through some major surgeries and the results of recovering from that part of the child's life. There are better options that just letting a baby struggle and die in a trash.

My first serious relationship with a woman was with a woman who was raped by her own father. She became pregnant at 12 and gave birth to her own "sister" at the age of 13. Did she get an abortion, no, did she do the right thing...in her opinion she did. The baby was given up for adoption after birth and is out there living her life without the knowledge of how she came about. There are always better options than death or giving up. This woman could have caved in, be depressed or whatever but she did what she felt she had to and is a better human for doing so.

I have a daughter and I could not even imagine something like the OP is talking about. Many of you here probably havent experienced your child moving in your wife's womb, or seen the pictures of your child sucking her thumb in ultra sound pictures or seen your child come into the world and if you think that setting a baby aside to die is okay....then you are fucked in the head.....PERIOD!!!

Poseidon wrote:

The Audacity of Hope by Barack Obama wrote:

[An abortion protester at a campaign event] handed me a pamphlet. "Mr. Obama, I know you're a Christian, with a family of your own. So how can you support murdering babies?"
I told him I understood his position but had to disagree with it. I explained my belief that few women made the decision to terminate a pregnancy casually; that any pregnant woman felt the full force of the moral issues involved when making that decision; that I feared a ban on abortion would force women to seek unsafe abortions, as they had once done in this country. I suggested that perhaps we could agree on ways to reduce the number of women who felt the need to have abortions in the first place.

"I will pray for you," the protester said. "I pray that you have a change of heart." Neither my mind nor my heart changed that day, nor did they in the days to come. But that night, before I went to bed, I said a prayer of my own-that I might extend the same presumption of good faith to others that had been extended to me.

Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.197-8 Oct 1, 2006

What a HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE HUMAN BEING!

And for the record, I only support abortion when it comes to rape and incest (or cases where the mother's life is at stake). However, you (and Stingray, unfortunately...guess he's fallen into the trap too) actually believing that crap which actually tries to paint him like some sort of bloodthirsty baby killer is beyond, and I mean BEYOND pathetic.

The fact that you now have that in your sig disturbs me, Stingray. You're too smart of a person and too old to believe something SCHITTLOAF posted.

Guess you just skipped over this^, eh Stingray?

Or would that be common sense prevailing?

Poseidon wrote:

Guess you just skipped over this^, eh Stingray?

No need to re-post.  Obama's voting record on this issue speaks for itself.  The quote from his book changes nothing about how he voted.

Stingray24 wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Guess you just skipped over this^, eh Stingray?

No need to re-post.  Obama's voting record on this issue speaks for itself.  The quote from his book changes nothing about how he voted.

It actually does. You've just twisted his voting record into something completely different.

I believe Ken mentioned how you did so.

Seriously, believing something Schittloaf posted...tsk-tsk. This is a guy who's a known racist and is homophobic to boot. His opinions are worth as much as rammunition's.

I'm presuming you didn't even read what Ken posted. Oh well.

As I said, this is as bad as someone like Spearhead supporting something Rammunition says.

Stingray24 wrote:

You presume wrong.  Keep ignoring the votes if you want.  That's what I'm basing my opinion on.  No matter who says what, the votes can't be changed.  If Obama says he would have voted for a bill that contained the Federal bill language, he shouldn't have blocked the Illinois bill which had the word for word verbage protecting Roe vs. Wade.

I'll let you take it up with KJ. He's pretty much spot on and I really don't need to add much on further to what he said.

I love distorting facts too...oh wait, I don't work at MSNBC or Fox News..

Last edited by Poseidon (2008-09-12 17:35:58)

Poseidon wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

You presume wrong.  Keep ignoring the votes if you want.  That's what I'm basing my opinion on.  No matter who says what, the votes can't be changed.  If Obama says he would have voted for a bill that contained the Federal bill language, he shouldn't have blocked the Illinois bill which had the word for word verbage protecting Roe vs. Wade.

I'll let you take it up with KJ. He's pretty much spot on and I really don't need to add much on further to what he said.

I love distorting facts too...oh wait, I don't work at MSNBC or Fox News..

Check out CNN coverage which shows the same facts as my linked article.  Or does your internets not have Youtube ...

jord wrote:

I guess I have to say something controversial, obviously logic aint working no more.


Kill the babies, Obama is right! Too many people anyway! Lollolol.

Ok, lets play your game. NUKE CHINA!!! Lol