The#1Spot
Member
+105|6995|byah
How do you measure the failure of the copy protections that software companies place on their media products? In the case of Electronic Arts' highly-anticipated game "Spore," just count the pirates.

As of Thursday afternoon, "Spore" had been illegally downloaded on file-sharing networks using BitTorrent peer-to-peer transfer 171,402 times since Sept. 1, according to Big Champagne, a peer-to-peer research firm. That's hardly a record: a popular game often hits those kinds of six-figure piracy numbers, says Big Champagne Chief Executive Eric Garland.

But not usually so quickly. In just the 24-hour period between Wednesday and Thursday, illegal downloaders snagged more than 35,000 copies, and, as of Thursday evening, that rate of downloads was still accelerating. "The numbers are extraordinary," Garland says. "This is a very high level of torrent activity even for an immensely popular game title."
Electronic Arts (nasdaq: ERTS - news - people ) had hoped to limit users to installing the game only three times through its use of digital rights management software, or DRM. But not only have those constraints failed, says Garland, they may have inadvertently spurred the pirates on.

On several top file-sharing sites, "Spore"'s most downloaded BitTorrent "tracker"--a file that maps which users had the game available for downloading--also included step-by-step instructions for how to disassemble the copy protections, along with a set of numerical keys for breaking the software's encryption. For many users, that made the pirated version more appealing than the legitimate one.

"By downloading this torrent, you are doing the right thing," wrote one user going by the name of "deathkitten" on the popular file-sharing site The Pirate Bay. "You are letting [Electronic Arts] know that people won't stand for their ridiculously draconian 'DRM' viruses."

"You have the power to make this the most pirated game ever, to give corporate bastards a virtual punch in the face," deathkitten added in another comment.

Another user with the handle "dsmx" sounded more conflicted. "I feel bad about pirating this game I really wanted to buy it but EA put DRM on it and my policy is that any form of DRM means an instant not parting with money," he wrote. "When I pay for something I want to own it not rent it with EA deciding when I'm not allowed to play it anymore."

The copy protections on "Spore" were equally detested by a less piracy-prone crowd at Amazon.com. By Thursday evening, the game had received more than 2,100 reviews, nearly 2,000 of which had given it a rating of one star out of five. Most negative reviews--including messages titled "No way, no how, no DRM" and "DRM makes me a sad panda"--cited the game's restrictions as a sore spot.

Electronic Arts calls those criticisms unfair. "EA has not changed our basic DRM copy protection system," says corporate communications manager Mariam Sughayer. "We simply changed the copy protection method from using the physical media, which requires authentication every time you play the game by requiring a disc in the drive, to one which uses a one-time online authentication."

Electronic Arts compares its DRM solution to systems in place on services like iTunes that similarly limits the number of computers that can play a particular song. Sughayer also points out that less than 25% of EA users attempt to install the company's games on more than one computer, and less than 1% attempt to install it on more than three.

Peer-to-peer file theft is a growing problem for game developers. According to Big Champagne, games, along with television shows, are the two fastest growing types of media trafficked on peer-to-peer networks, though music remains the most often stolen medium. See "In Pictures: Why Web Pirates Can't Be Touched."

"PC games are massively pirated because you can pirate them," says Brad Wardell, chief executive of Plymouth, Mich.-based gaming company Stardock. Wardell argues that the driver for piracy is user-friendliness--not price. Instead of digital locks, Stardock requires users to use unique serial numbers which it monitors, in conjunction with IP addresses.

"Our focus is on getting people who would buy our software to buy it," Wardell says, rather than trying to strong-arm people unlikely to pay for the products into become paying customers.

DRM only limits the ability of consumers who wouldn't typically pirate media to make copies or share it with friends and family, agrees Big Champagne's Garland. But because encryption is so easily broken by savvier--and more morally flexible--users, it does little to stop the flood of intellectual property pirated over the Internet, he contends.

"DRM can encourage the best customers to behave slightly better," he says. "It will never address the masses of non-customers downloading your product."
Dauntless
Admin
+2,249|7197|London

Link?

And Spore wasn't even worth the download imo, it was just alot of small badly made mini games put together, the only one I kinda enjoyed was the 2D bacteria phase, after that it felt like WoW.

This summed it up nicely.
https://imgur.com/kXTNQ8D.png
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6978|...

I agree with Dauntless

Dauntless wrote:

Link?
This summed it up nicely.
an lol
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Last edited by jsnipy (2008-09-21 18:20:11)

mtb0minime
minimember
+2,418|7110

Someone on here has a sig that says, "If your own customers are pirating the game, you're doing something wrong." (or something to that effect).

I haven't had an inkling to buy, or even download this game. But I may just go ahead and torrent it and support the piracy movement and the Anti-DRM message these guys are trying to get across
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6993|Long Island, New York

Dauntless wrote:

Link?

And Spore wasn't even worth the download imo, it was just alot of small badly made mini games put together, the only one I kinda enjoyed was the 2D bacteria phase, after that it felt like WoW.

This summed it up nicely.
Yeah...I'm not one to really listen to reviews (although I do use them for perspective) when it comes to games I know I'll like (like TFU, which I did) but with all the ragging on the DRM/SecuROM stuff in addition to how boring some people said it was...it just didn't really seem like my type of game.

Plus, I have other games that I'm focusing my money on (Far Cry 2, Fallout 3, LBP, etc).
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7230|Noizyland

No matter EA's DRM justifications the main issue is that paying customers don't want to be made to feel like criminals. If you go out to dinner and buy a nice meal you don't want the chef giving you the old evil eye while you're eating it. I bought Spore and I felt an immense amount of distrust when installing the damn thing. Here I am, shiney Spore box in hand while installing from a disc and being made to feel like I'm holding a corrugated cardboard box with "Spoar" poorly written on it in black felt tip.

Then you just think "y'know if I got this the illegal way I wouldn't have to deal with this shit." It's not the fact that people really really want to install Spore more than three times or whether they want the disc in the drive when they play the game, it's the simple fact that when you buy something you want to at least FEEL like you bought it.
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AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6608|what

The#1Spot wrote:

"DRM can encourage the best customers to behave slightly better," he says. "It will never address the masses of non-customers downloading your product."
Punish the good guys, fuck with your best customers and don't address those downloading the game illegally.

Great strategy that one...
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tkoi
Utahraptor!
+148|6602|Texas

mtb0minime wrote:

Someone on here has a sig that says, "If your own customers are pirating the game, you're doing something wrong." (or something to that effect).
o hai guise

On topic: I bought the game, as well as downloaded the torrent. I don't want this Securom rootkit on my PC. I'll install the pirated version but use my legit CD key.

Last edited by GGF0RCE (2008-09-21 18:47:48)

RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
+399|6935|Somewhere else

GGF0RCE wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

Someone on here has a sig that says, "If your own customers are pirating the game, you're doing something wrong." (or something to that effect).
o hai guise

On topic: I bought the game, as well as downloaded the torrent. I don't want this Securom rootkit on my PC. I'll install the pirated version but use my legit CD key.
Not a bad idea.

But the thing that REALLY bothers me, is that Battlefield 3 will surely have this, and getting around the DRM will be alot harder if you wanna play ranked servers.

I guess Battlefield has reached it's Zenith, and while it was impressive, we all remember the patch horrors.

Too bad EA, thank fuck they didn't buy out Take Two/Rockstar.
Roger Lesboules
Ah ben tabarnak!
+316|7032|Abitibi-Temiscamingue. Québec!

RoosterCantrell wrote:

GGF0RCE wrote:

mtb0minime wrote:

Someone on here has a sig that says, "If your own customers are pirating the game, you're doing something wrong." (or something to that effect).
o hai guise

On topic: I bought the game, as well as downloaded the torrent. I don't want this Securom rootkit on my PC. I'll install the pirated version but use my legit CD key.
Not a bad idea.

But the thing that REALLY bothers me, is that Battlefield 3 will surely have this, and getting around the DRM will be alot harder if you wanna play ranked servers.

I guess Battlefield has reached it's Zenith, and while it was impressive, we all remember the patch horrors.

Too bad EA, thank fuck they didn't buy out Take Two/Rockstar.
No no no, fuck NO!

EA cant and i hope they just wont dare to make it so you have to download the game and input your Cd-key after if you want to flush their shitty DRM. I say that if EA put that crap in bf3, they will cry and eat their hearts out after like a month of piracy.
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6779|New Haven, CT
Its a self-perpetuating cycle only the people pirating the games can stop. They really should think logically before they take up the flags of the classic 'e-rebel', but it is probably beyond them.

Last edited by nukchebi0 (2008-09-21 21:59:58)

FFLink
There is.
+1,380|7146|Devon, England
The probably knew no one would install it more than 3 times as it was that bad...
Sydney
2λчиэλ
+783|7298|Reykjavík, Iceland.

FFLink13 wrote:

The probably knew no one would install it more than 3 times as it was that bad...
QFT I regret buying this shitty game and I probably won't install it again.
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6908|The Twilight Zone

Sydney wrote:

FFLink13 wrote:

The probably knew no one would install it more than 3 times as it was that bad...
QFT I regret buying this shitty game and I probably won't install it again.
I'm sorry I bought it too. I just doesn't drag me back to play it. Prefer BF42.
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SharkyMcshark
I'll take two
+132|7240|Perth, Western Australia
i've played it and it is not that good.

But when I think of games made by EA that I've re/installed more than three times I get:

BF2
FIFA 2007
Command and COncquer Generals

just of the top of my head (They represent most of the EA games I own for computer)
Finray
Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro
+2,629|6243|Catherine Black
Brilliant. Take that, EA, you cunts.

Hopefully this should persuade them to not put that over-protective software on their games in the future, as without it there would be a hell of a lot less torrenting of this game.

And I'm proud to admit Spore is currently 43% downloaded.

<3 Demonoid.
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Cyrax-Sektor
Official Battlefield fanboy
+240|6603|San Antonio, Texas
Can't believe Red Alert 3 will have it. At least it's 5 installs, but still.
Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7211|Scotland

Cyrax-Sektor wrote:

Can't believe Red Alert 3 will have it. At least it's 5 installs, but still.
Pf. I call for piracy again.
Sydney
2λчиэλ
+783|7298|Reykjavík, Iceland.

Zimmer wrote:

Cyrax-Sektor wrote:

Can't believe Red Alert 3 will have it. At least it's 5 installs, but still.
Pf. I call for piracy again.
QFT
Finray
Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro
+2,629|6243|Catherine Black

Sydney wrote:

Zimmer wrote:

Cyrax-Sektor wrote:

Can't believe Red Alert 3 will have it. At least it's 5 installs, but still.
Pf. I call for piracy again.
QFT
Never has the saying 'lez do it' had more meaning.
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ELITE-UK
Scratching my back
+170|6929|SHEFFIELD, ENGLAND
Its kind of a loop isnt it, EA put the DRM into the game to stop pirates fro downloading the game, but the pirates download the game more anyways...but if they just stop downloading the games in the first place then they wont put this kind of stuff into the software!!

Buy your games you cheap b*****ds!!

Game makers are turning away from the PC scene and yet you expect them to churn out great games and expect to get them for free! Unbelievable!!
Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7211|Scotland

ELITE-UK wrote:

Its kind of a loop isnt it, EA put the DRM into the game to stop pirates fro downloading the game, but the pirates download the game more anyways...but if they just stop downloading the games in the first place then they wont put this kind of stuff into the software!!

Buy your games you cheap b*****ds!!

Game makers are turning away from the PC scene and yet you expect them to churn out great games and expect to get them for free! Unbelievable!!
I disagree. Customer always wins. They do it first, we do it after. Piracy will always be here, but if they put more trust in us, then they will get more out of us. I have bought every game I truly love ( with the exception of PES2008 on the PC... wouldn't call it true love though ) and will keep on doing so if they give me a game, not a fucking pathetic DRM license bullshit. I would have already had to pay for a new spore because I have reformatted my HDD 6 times. Pathetic.
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|7023|NYC / Hamburg

Zimmer wrote:

Cyrax-Sektor wrote:

Can't believe Red Alert 3 will have it. At least it's 5 installs, but still.
Pf. I call for piracy again.
That's no way for a mod to behave. What happened to the whole bf2s doesn't support piracy thing
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7211|Scotland

max wrote:

Zimmer wrote:

Cyrax-Sektor wrote:

Can't believe Red Alert 3 will have it. At least it's 5 installs, but still.
Pf. I call for piracy again.
That's no way for a mod to behave. What happened to the whole bf2s doesn't support piracy thing
Shhhh. I introduced half of this forum to rapidshare..... Chuy still hasn't caught me
RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
+399|6935|Somewhere else

ELITE-UK wrote:

Its kind of a loop isnt it, EA put the DRM into the game to stop pirates fro downloading the game, but the pirates download the game more anyways...but if they just stop downloading the games in the first place then they wont put this kind of stuff into the software!!

Buy your games you cheap b*****ds!!

Game makers are turning away from the PC scene and yet you expect them to churn out great games and expect to get them for free! Unbelievable!!
We don't expect to get them for free.  What we do expect is to not have EA shove a massive sand paper cock up our asses when we PAY THEM for the product they offer.

The whole reason this is bullshit is because EA puts the DRM shit in games, and the PIRATES are the ones that can easily get around the DRM, making the DRM pointless (A), and more frustrating for legitimate customers (B).

It's an exercise in reflexive stupidity.

There will always be pirates.  No way around it.  EA can create any protection they want. There will always be people just as smart as EA to get around their protections.

So what it boils down to is a small hurdle for pirates, at total ass rape for legitimate customers.   Tightened copy protection is one thing, but it should never be detrimental to your paying customers.  It's just bad business.

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