Something to discuss around the IRAQ war

2008-09-30 11:01:55

#26

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6974

It is not the position of an external power to impose a freedom of their choosing on a distant nation. Simple as that. That's not freedom. It's a contradiction in terms. The Iraqi government have stated openly they want a fixed timetable for withdrawal, which means that the idiot in the video's assertion about freedom is nonsense: because he doesn't want the US to leave Iraq (contrary to Iraqi desires). Complete pathetic nonsense.

By the way, that ad is pathetic drivel - especially the end part and the music. Wretchorama.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-09-30 11:02:27)

2008-09-30 11:10:14

#27

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6948|Global Command

CameronPoe wrote:
It is not the position of an external power to impose a freedom of their choosing on a distant nation. Simple as that. That's not freedom. It's a contradiction in terms. The Iraqi government have stated openly they want a fixed timetable for withdrawal, which means that the idiot in the video's assertion about freedom is nonsense: because he doesn't want the US to leave Iraq (contrary to Iraqi desires). Complete pathetic nonsense.

By the way, that ad is pathetic drivel - especially the end part and the music. Wretchorama.

You may not karma the same person in a 24 hour period.

2008-09-30 11:13:30

#28

Spearhead: Gulf coast redneck hippy; +731|7109|Tampa Bay Florida

Bush turned the word "freedom" into a brandname. Orwell saw it coming. doublespeak. doublethink.

2008-09-30 11:15:41

#29

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6709|Éire

CameronPoe wrote:
It is not the position of an external power to impose a freedom of their choosing on a distant nation. Simple as that. That's not freedom. It's a contradiction in terms. The Iraqi government have stated openly they want a fixed timetable for withdrawal, which means that the idiot in the video's assertion about freedom is nonsense: because he doesn't want the US to leave Iraq (contrary to Iraqi desires). Complete pathetic nonsense.

By the way, that ad is pathetic drivel - especially the end part and the music. Wretchorama.

Why let little facts like this get in the way of heart-rending propaganda?

2008-09-30 11:44:19

#30

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7181

Braddock wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
It is not the position of an external power to impose a freedom of their choosing on a distant nation. Simple as that. That's not freedom. It's a contradiction in terms. The Iraqi government have stated openly they want a fixed timetable for withdrawal, which means that the idiot in the video's assertion about freedom is nonsense: because he doesn't want the US to leave Iraq (contrary to Iraqi desires). Complete pathetic nonsense.

By the way, that ad is pathetic drivel - especially the end part and the music. Wretchorama.
Why let little facts like this get in the way of heart-rending propaganda?

lol...go figure who.

anyway, i think he means like a couple bases or so to keep iran honest.

2008-09-30 11:48:07

#31

Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|6121|College Park, MD

Sigh, I do all that research on oil imports and it gets ignored

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2008-09-30 11:49:45

#32

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6709|Éire

usmarine wrote:
Braddock wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
It is not the position of an external power to impose a freedom of their choosing on a distant nation. Simple as that. That's not freedom. It's a contradiction in terms. The Iraqi government have stated openly they want a fixed timetable for withdrawal, which means that the idiot in the video's assertion about freedom is nonsense: because he doesn't want the US to leave Iraq (contrary to Iraqi desires). Complete pathetic nonsense.

By the way, that ad is pathetic drivel - especially the end part and the music. Wretchorama.
Why let little facts like this get in the way of heart-rending propaganda?
lol...go figure who.

anyway, i think he means like a couple bases or so to keep iran honest.

Have they (Iraq), or have they not, stated openly that they want a fixed timetable for withdrawal?

2008-09-30 11:50:36

#33

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7181

Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Sigh, I do all that research on oil imports and it gets ignored

because it kills their arguement

2008-09-30 11:51:54

#34

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7181

Braddock wrote:
Have they (Iraq), or have they not, stated openly that they want a fixed timetable for withdrawal?

they have said a lot of things. i am not in the meetings brad, so i dont know tbh. i dont trust the media for shit, and janes.com is not saying whether they agree with bases or not yet.

2008-09-30 11:53:18

#35

Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|6121|College Park, MD

I thought we had agreed on a partial pullout through 2009, and a total pullout by 2011?

2008-09-30 11:55:07

#36

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6974

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Q_7DpuQ3M

Hail to the potential Commander in Chief! These are the kinds of idiots that send you poor Americans to war.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-09-30 11:56:04)

2008-09-30 11:58:10

#37

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7181

CameronPoe wrote:
These are the kinds of idiots that send you poor Americans to war.

excuse me? are you discussing the topic or being an asshole?

2008-09-30 11:58:24

#38

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6709|Éire

usmarine wrote:
Braddock wrote:
Have they (Iraq), or have they not, stated openly that they want a fixed timetable for withdrawal?
they have said a lot of things. i am not in the meetings brad, so i dont know tbh. i dont trust the media for shit, and janes.com is not saying whether they agree with bases or not yet.

So you can acknowledge that it is not even clear that Iraqis want the US to stick around and yet this soldier is asking for the troops to be kept there, even though it may be against their will? If they don't want then there it aint really 'freedom' now, is it?

2008-09-30 11:59:51

#39

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7181

Braddock wrote:
usmarine wrote:
Braddock wrote:
Have they (Iraq), or have they not, stated openly that they want a fixed timetable for withdrawal?
they have said a lot of things. i am not in the meetings brad, so i dont know tbh. i dont trust the media for shit, and janes.com is not saying whether they agree with bases or not yet.
So you can acknowledge that it is not even clear that Iraqis want the US to stick around and yet this soldier is asking for the troops to be kept there, even though it may be against their will? If they don't want then there it aint really 'freedom' now, is it?

freedom is not free from protection brad. its obvious these people are animals and need a dictator to control them. cant say anyone would have thought that.

2008-09-30 12:05:44

#40

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6709|Éire

usmarine wrote:
Braddock wrote:
usmarine wrote:

they have said a lot of things. i am not in the meetings brad, so i dont know tbh. i dont trust the media for shit, and janes.com is not saying whether they agree with bases or not yet.
So you can acknowledge that it is not even clear that Iraqis want the US to stick around and yet this soldier is asking for the troops to be kept there, even though it may be against their will? If they don't want then there it aint really 'freedom' now, is it?
freedom is not free from protection brad. its obvious these people are animals and need a dictator to control them. cant say anyone would have thought that.

So freedom is not free? Okay, thanks for clearing that up for me.

2008-09-30 12:07:27

#41

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7181

Braddock wrote:
So freedom is not free? Okay, thanks for clearing that up for me.

define freedom then brad. please. and then explain how to keep it alive.

2008-09-30 12:08:28

#42

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6709|Éire

CameronPoe wrote:
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Q_7DpuQ3M

Hail to the potential Commander in Chief! These are the kinds of idiots that send you poor Americans to war.

She is a fucking dunce... end of story.

2008-09-30 12:09:53

#43

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6709|Éire

usmarine wrote:
Braddock wrote:
So freedom is not free? Okay, thanks for clearing that up for me.
define freedom then brad. please. and then explain how to keep it alive.

Being able to govern your own country without the undesired input of external powers?

2008-09-30 12:10:33

#44

PureFodder: Member; +225|6704

Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Sigh, I do all that research on oil imports and it gets ignored

It's not about America using Iraqs oil, it'a about profiting from it and using it as a form of veto power against those who do use the oil. By controlling the oil you can cause great harm to those that need it by switching off the supply. 'If you go agaisnt us, we switch off the oil supply' makes for a great negotiating position.

2008-09-30 12:11:22

#45

Hurricane2k9: Pendulous Sweaty Balls; +1,538|6121|College Park, MD

PureFodder wrote:
Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Sigh, I do all that research on oil imports and it gets ignored

It's not about America using Iraqs oil, it'a about profiting from it and using it as a form of veto power against those who do use the oil. By controlling the oil you can cause great harm to those that need it by switching off the supply. 'If you go agaisnt us, we switch off the oil supply' makes for a great negotiating position.

Sounds like the Saudis...

2008-09-30 12:12:22

#46

MAGUIRE93: High Angle Hell; +182|6613|Schofield Barracks

Hurricane2k9 wrote:
If I recall correctly, we've received very little if any oil from Iraq.

yea and the us spends billion of dollars to send ships with our oil to Iraq.

2008-09-30 12:13:02

#47

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|7000|SE London

Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Iraq exports a fraction of the amount that the Saudis and Russians export.

We do get a handsome amount of oil from Iraq, but not much compared to other countries. According to the Department of Energy, these were our major imports in July 2008 (in thousands of barrels I believe)

Iraq: 22,634
Saudis: 47,186
Nigeria: 29,711
Venezuela: 32,810
Canada: 71,446
Mexico: 38,484

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_m … mbbl_m.htm

Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Sigh, I do all that research on oil imports and it gets ignored

It's not about where the oil goes. It's about where the money from the oil sales goes - which currently is into reconstruction of Iraq, which is done by US contractors. This means that the money from the oil is being pumped into the companies doing the reconstruction.

Where the oil goes is totally irrelevant. What matters is that the Iraqis have oil, which means they will be able to pay for everything.

You've also neglected to mention the fact that Iraq has the second largest proven reserves of oil in the world (after Saudi Arabia).

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2008-09-30 12:13:45

#48

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7181

Braddock wrote:
usmarine wrote:
Braddock wrote:
So freedom is not free? Okay, thanks for clearing that up for me.
define freedom then brad. please. and then explain how to keep it alive.
Being able to govern your own country without the undesired input of external powers?

do we control the german govt?

2008-09-30 12:13:53

#49

SgtHeihn: Should have ducked; +394|6906|Ham Lake, MN (Fucking Cold)

usmarine wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
These are the kinds of idiots that send you poor Americans to war.
excuse me? are you discussing the topic or being an asshole?

What do you think? Remember, he is above our level. Least Brad sticks around to argue.

2008-09-30 12:16:04

#50

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7181

SgtHeihn wrote:
usmarine wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
These are the kinds of idiots that send you poor Americans to war.
excuse me? are you discussing the topic or being an asshole?
What do you think? Remember, he is above our level.

yes. "fuck this forum. goodbye" is awesome. lol

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