fix the P-90

2006-03-07 22:10:06

#1

sheff1597: Member; +5|7076

i was really excited when i heard the anti-tank class was finally going to get a weapon with some range and accuracy. but then i used the P-90 in combat. seriously, i know its got a little bit of a slower rate of fire, and when it takes 8 shots to kill an armored soldier (you can chect the weapos stats on this site), you really stand no chance in a fire fight, unless you catch someone and really suprise them, and get like 4-5 hits before they shoot you.

i really hope they up the power on the P-90, its kinda usless in this game, being so under powered, well it is to me and my playing style, which i think is the common type.

2006-03-07 22:25:43

#2

Kamikaze17: Over the line!; +70|7199|Mark it zero.

yeah when i have the p90, i find myself using my pistol more. it does more damage and you can kill people with it faster. so im just going to be using the DAO instead.

2006-03-08 08:49:12

#3

CapnHerc: Member; +0|7084

I've used it for a bit now. At first it totally sucked, but i'm getting to like the 50 round clip. My problem with it too is that it only has 2 clips. It's rate of fire is actually supposed to be 900 rounds a minute, with an effective range of 200 meters. Caliber: 5.7x28mm SS190. It should take less bullets to kill with it though. Read up on it here: http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg13-e.htm . It was specifically made for people wearing body armor. They should equip it with a silencer.

2006-03-08 08:57:28

#4

engineer: Member; +3|7173|Aalborg, Denmark

i once won over 2 AK47s with it... one dident saw me and the other couldent hit:)

2006-03-08 09:02:32

#5

Aslan the Creator: Welcome to duty; +1|7082

I've never tried the P90, I like the gun in real life, but so far the gun doesn't sound all that great, I've picked it up once and looked in the scope real fast and then died. Never picked it up since... But it does need to be fixed, and if they don't fix it, give us more magazines. 2 magazines with 50 rounds each isn't all that much to me.

2006-03-08 09:13:04

#6

landfish7: Member; +2|7092

it would be nice if the p-90 could actually compete with the other guns in bf2.

2006-03-08 09:16:23

#7

CapnHerc: Member; +0|7084

Thats why it's better to be in a squad when you are anti-tank. Squad is ALWAYS better to run with.

2006-03-08 11:34:05

#8

lord_tyler_486: Member; +54|7202|Upper Franconia

Ya it sucks like hell. Not even two headshots [sometimes] kill an enemy. Either take the pistol or knife in close combats, and n00b around with your missile launcher if your enemy is more than 5 meters away. Even better, avoid having it.

AT => MP7; Engineer => a new submachine gun with low accuracy but high power.

Last edited by lord_tyler_486 (2006-03-08 11:37:29)

2006-03-08 17:05:32

#9

EvilJebus: Member; +11|7075

The P-90 does seem a little underpowered compaired to what it is in many other games, it's a very popular gun in FPS's. What you gotta remember however is this gun is NOT a rifle, it is NOT a carbine. It IS a sub machine gun. It's not ment for long distance accuracy, it's ment to put a lot of bullets in front of the person and let him get away. I've used it myself plenty of time, I killed three people with one clip before. I works pefectly fine at relativly short ranges and on the run, it's the perfect "run and gun" weapon.

If you wanna shoot people from far away, go use a different class, that's not what the AT class is about. If it was capable of blowing up tanks and killing guys 150 m away it would be way unbalanced. Then there's the fact that NOBODY can carry full gear, ammo, a full size rifle, and a ROCKET LAUCHER with 5 extra rockets, it's just not possible. The P-90 is light and easy to carry, so it sacrafices some accuracy for this.

Last edited by EvilJebus (2006-03-08 17:06:30)

2006-03-08 17:50:34

#10

landfish7: Member; +2|7092

"The bullet has a steel jacket containing a steel core just behind the tip. The bulk of the content behind this is aluminium. The nose is pointed and together with the steel core enables the SS190 bullet to penetrate 48 layers of Kevlar-type protection at 200m at a muzzle velocity of 715m/s. It also can penetrate a standard Kevlar-type combat helmet at the same range."

http://www.global-defence.com/2000/pages/herstal.html

for those that don't want to read.
SS190 ammuntion can penetrate armor.
now i realize bf2 is about balance but seriously, its an armor piercing round. lets give it a little more power.

Last edited by landfish7 (2006-03-08 17:55:10)

2006-03-08 22:08:33

#11

persnickadee: Member; +0|7111

dao dao dao
dao come and we gonna have fun one kill two kill\
than reload

2006-03-08 22:17:56

#12

Longbow: Member; +163|7097|Odessa, Ukraine

p90 needs increased rate of fire to 900 .
By the way , why the did that "fix" with MP-7 ? It has armor-piersing bullets , why it's damage have been decresed to 19 from 24 ? Increase rate of fire is ok , but why decreased damage ? And the clip , that idiots even didn't make new image for 40-round version .

2006-03-08 22:20:47

#13

sheff1597: Member; +5|7076

i understand the balance issue, and i think the range and accuracy for the P-90 fit. but in this game, a short-mid ranged weapon with limited accuracy needs to have some power or else its usless. tonight i played with the P-90 for about 10 minutes, and i lost about 7 fire fights, one the guy had a pistol. i won 2 of them, but thats because i got em from behind. the point is, for the P-90 to be useful and have some value in this game, it needs to get a power upgrade in 1.21 or 1.22. also while on topic of weapons. the claymore has now been tweaked up WAY too much. karkand is now a calywhore paradise. seriously, i saw one, so i was going to walk past it about 15 feet away from it, it still detected and killed my, thats far more that a granade, riddiclous. thanks for the effort EA but you still need to discover that middle ground of just right, not ether too hot or too cold (goldielocks and the 3 bears, great story)

2006-03-09 05:35:22

#14

Johanz: Member; +0|7231

The P90 seems suited for agile situations in close quarters, having a large clip you can circle around someone and spray towards him, I heard it's pretty accurate compared to other to guns in the game while you move around.

2006-03-09 06:40:32

#15

EvilJebus: Member; +11|7075

Johanz is right, like I said earlier, it's the perfect "Spray and Pray"/"Run and Gun" weapon. It puts lot of bullets towards the enemy and that what it's ment to.

Just because the gun has armor piercing rounds, the round are still small calaber with very little stopping power compaired to the other rifles and carbines in the game. Read the wikipedia artical on the P90's ammunition at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.7_x_28_mm The site that landfish7 even says itself that the ammunition it uses is a much scalled down rifle weapon, and its a light round, it just doesn't have the power other guns have. Keep the P90's stats what they are, the gun works just like it should.

2006-03-09 06:50:19

#16

(BRU)Timothy: Member; +5|7137|Pennsylvania - Hershey!

sheff1597 wrote:
i understand the balance issue, and i think the range and accuracy for the P-90 fit. but in this game, a short-mid ranged weapon with limited accuracy needs to have some power or else its usless. tonight i played with the P-90 for about 10 minutes, and i lost about 7 fire fights, one the guy had a pistol. i won 2 of them, but thats because i got em from behind. the point is, for the P-90 to be useful and have some value in this game, it needs to get a power upgrade in 1.21 or 1.22. also while on topic of weapons. the claymore has now been tweaked up WAY too much. karkand is now a calywhore paradise. seriously, i saw one, so i was going to walk past it about 15 feet away from it, it still detected and killed my, thats far more that a granade, riddiclous. thanks for the effort EA but you still need to discover that middle ground of just right, not ether too hot or too cold (goldielocks and the 3 bears, great story)

Ya, it is easy to get the expert explosive now. I tried doing it the other day and I got it first try.

2006-03-09 06:59:23

#17

Beorn_23_7: Heathenish Foray; +22|7088|Upstate NY

I remeber the P-90 from Goldeneye 007 and was hoping on at least something similar to that kind of power and rate of fire. However, if the rate of fire was increased and you had some more ammo for it, the power wouldn't be that big of an issue.

2006-03-09 07:04:33

#18

Moonraker_x29: First man on Mars; +9|7140|England, GBR

I love the P90.

It's ace, I have no probs at all with it.

Mind you, if they can fuck up the PKM making it the best weapon to ever grace the earth, then I'm sure they can fuck up the P90. I don't oppose any tweaking, as long as it's for the good of the game. Maybe more AMMO for definite, 2 clips is piss poor.

But again, sort the PKM's uberness out.

2006-03-09 08:52:30

#19

Longbow: Member; +163|7097|Odessa, Ukraine

PKM's are ok . First week after patch i also thought about it's uberness , but then a changed my tactics and everything got back on its place .

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