If you don't have a job, get the fuck off your computer and get one.
Won't need the 7300, I'm getting an 8600 GTS from haffey.Freezer7Pro wrote:
Any 1066MHz bus 65nm CPU. It'll open up for graphics card upgrades, and double his RAM. Clocking that CPU up to 2.4-2.6GHz will be quite a lot of power already.DeathUnlimited wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
Stop saying it's impossible. It isn't. You gotta realize what shit he is on now.
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb8/ … apfuck.png
Graphics card will be a downgrade, CPU is about twice as fast, twice the RAM and a really shit mobo that'll let you run at maybe 2.5GHz. It probably won't last for too long, it's a fucking MSI.
You could probably get upwards £40-£50 for that graphics card of yours on eBay, go sell it.That build would run games a lot worse than his current (7300Gs Is like half the power of 7600GT)Sir Schmoopy wrote:
the point of this is that it has to be upgradable, so it can be shit to start with, but just better than what I've got just now.
And would not be upgradable, since the mobo is shit.
I'm only fulfilling a request; He asked for a £100 rig, I got him a £100 rig. It isn't a very good rig, but you can't argue that it won't beat his 2.5GHz Northwood by miles.
Plus, overclocking a 7300 will make it about half as fast as a 7600GT.
(Is that any good, and for $60?)
Which is a pointless upgrade.Freezer7Pro wrote:
Stop saying it's impossible. It isn't. You gotta realize what shit he is on now.
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb8/ … apfuck.png
Graphics card will be a downgrade, CPU is about twice as fast, twice the RAM and a really shit mobo that'll let you run at maybe 2.5GHz. It probably won't last for too long, it's a fucking MSI.
You could probably get upwards £40-£50 for that graphics card of yours on eBay, go sell it.
That's just throwing good money away on tat. For £200 he'd be fine, but for £100 he can't get anything worth getting.
For £155 + delivery he could get:
Mobo
E2180
2GB DDR2
8800GT
That'd be worth doing. Would need to check PSU was up to scratch - but I expect it could cope. None of those components are very power hungry.
lol.Bertster7 wrote:
8800GTFreezer7Pro wrote:
Stop saying it's impossible. It isn't. You gotta realize what shit he is on now.
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb8/ … apfuck.png
Graphics card will be a downgrade, CPU is about twice as fast, twice the RAM and a really shit mobo that'll let you run at maybe 2.5GHz. It probably won't last for too long, it's a fucking MSI.
You could probably get upwards £40-£50 for that graphics card of yours on eBay, go sell it.
That'd be worth doing. Would need to check PSU was up to scratch - but I expect it could cope. None of those components are very power hungry.
8800GT? Not power hungry? Anything with a PCI-E power connector is power hungry. Plus, he's on a Dell PSU afaik, so there's no way in hell it can take an 8800GT.
@Finny: 30€ is ok for an 8600GTS, but shipping could be double that.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
No, the 8800GT, particularly the 256MB version (which is the one I've listed) is not very power hungry. It'll use more power than his current card but, with a single hard drive and optical drive he should be able to run it, just about on about 350W. Until he's told us what PSU he currently has, then we can't really say.Freezer7Pro wrote:
lol.Bertster7 wrote:
8800GTFreezer7Pro wrote:
Stop saying it's impossible. It isn't. You gotta realize what shit he is on now.
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb8/ … apfuck.png
Graphics card will be a downgrade, CPU is about twice as fast, twice the RAM and a really shit mobo that'll let you run at maybe 2.5GHz. It probably won't last for too long, it's a fucking MSI.
You could probably get upwards £40-£50 for that graphics card of yours on eBay, go sell it.
That'd be worth doing. Would need to check PSU was up to scratch - but I expect it could cope. None of those components are very power hungry.
8800GT? Not power hungry? Anything with a PCI-E power connector is power hungry. Plus, he's on a Dell PSU afaik, so there's no way in hell it can take an 8800GT.
@Finny: 30€ is ok for an 8600GTS, but shipping could be double that.
And ultimately, it's a way, way better rig than what you've suggested (which is a total waste of money), for only £50 more.
Last edited by Bertster7 (2008-10-07 11:08:16)
A Dell PSU delivered with a P4 Northwood. Not gonna be enough.Bertster7 wrote:
No, the 8800GT, particularly the 256MB version (which is the one I've listed) is not very power hungry. It'll use more power than his current card but, with a single hard drive and optical drive he should be able to run it, just about on about 350W. Until he's told us what PSU he currently has, then we can't really say.Freezer7Pro wrote:
lol.Bertster7 wrote:
8800GT
That'd be worth doing. Would need to check PSU was up to scratch - but I expect it could cope. None of those components are very power hungry.
8800GT? Not power hungry? Anything with a PCI-E power connector is power hungry. Plus, he's on a Dell PSU afaik, so there's no way in hell it can take an 8800GT.
@Finny: 30€ is ok for an 8600GTS, but shipping could be double that.
And ultimately, it's a way, way better rig than what you've suggested (which is a total waste of money), for only £50 more.
EDIT: I never said my setup was good. It isn't. It's a £100 upgrade, that's what it is. I know Finny, he's a poor teenager. £50 isn't "only" to him.
Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2008-10-07 11:13:15)
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
A 400W Dell PSU should be sufficient. It's not totally unreasonable to expect he'd have that in his Dell setup. Until he tells us, we won't know.Freezer7Pro wrote:
A Dell PSU delivered with a P4 Northwood. Not gonna be enough.Bertster7 wrote:
No, the 8800GT, particularly the 256MB version (which is the one I've listed) is not very power hungry. It'll use more power than his current card but, with a single hard drive and optical drive he should be able to run it, just about on about 350W. Until he's told us what PSU he currently has, then we can't really say.Freezer7Pro wrote:
lol.
8800GT? Not power hungry? Anything with a PCI-E power connector is power hungry. Plus, he's on a Dell PSU afaik, so there's no way in hell it can take an 8800GT.
@Finny: 30€ is ok for an 8600GTS, but shipping could be double that.
And ultimately, it's a way, way better rig than what you've suggested (which is a total waste of money), for only £50 more.
EDIT: I never said my setup was good. It isn't. It's a £100 upgrade, that's what it is.
But it's a pointless waste of money, getting the stuff you've suggested. It actually reduces his gaming performance.
Last edited by Bertster7 (2008-10-07 11:15:17)
Except for the graphics card (Which he won't get due to haffeyness), that rig totally rapes his current one. And if you read my posts, I said it's a downgrade in the graphics sector already in the first one.Bertster7 wrote:
A 400W Dell PSU should be sufficient. It's not totally unreasonable to expect he'd have that in his Dell setup. Until he tells us, we won't know.Freezer7Pro wrote:
A Dell PSU delivered with a P4 Northwood. Not gonna be enough.Bertster7 wrote:
No, the 8800GT, particularly the 256MB version (which is the one I've listed) is not very power hungry. It'll use more power than his current card but, with a single hard drive and optical drive he should be able to run it, just about on about 350W. Until he's told us what PSU he currently has, then we can't really say.
And ultimately, it's a way, way better rig than what you've suggested (which is a total waste of money), for only £50 more.
EDIT: I never said my setup was good. It isn't. It's a £100 upgrade, that's what it is.
But it's a pointless waste of money, getting the stuff you've suggested. It actually reduces his gaming performance.
This rig opens up for mild upgrading.
For a little, little more, even, he could get that mobo, which'll take any of today's CPUs.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
It may be better than his, but it still sucks.
Might as well upgrade to 2GB of RAM and call it good, because it'd be better than the rig you posted.
Might as well upgrade to 2GB of RAM and call it good, because it'd be better than the rig you posted.
One option would be to go with on-board graphics:
(didn't spend long on this, so with a bit of shopping around/more effort you can probably get better value for money...)
(didn't spend long on this, so with a bit of shopping around/more effort you can probably get better value for money...)
Have you got any idea of how slow a 2.5GHz non-HT Northwood is compared to a Core2?CrazeD wrote:
It may be better than his, but it still sucks.
Might as well upgrade to 2GB of RAM and call it good, because it'd be better than the rig you posted.
Dude, he wants it for gaming.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
One option would be to go with on-board graphics:
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5665 … ildrv8.png
(didn't spend long on this, so with a bit of shopping around/more effort you can probably get better value for money...)
Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2008-10-07 13:45:36)
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
lulz Finny you'd be better off asking for suggestions in GFX section
j/k tech team, don't rape me
j/k tech team, don't rape me
If only you lived in the US and near a Fry's... Er, even then it would be pretty hard.
If you really cant mow some lawns or something for money, your best bet would be eBay. Or extraordinary luck at a used PC parts store
If you really cant mow some lawns or something for money, your best bet would be eBay. Or extraordinary luck at a used PC parts store
Like I said - I didn't put much effort in to it - was just indicating other options to consider...Freezer7Pro wrote:
Have you got any idea of how slow a 2.5GHz non-HT Northwood is compared to a Core2?CrazeD wrote:
It may be better than his, but it still sucks.
Might as well upgrade to 2GB of RAM and call it good, because it'd be better than the rig you posted.Dude, he wants it for gaming.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
One option would be to go with on-board graphics:
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5665 … ildrv8.png
(didn't spend long on this, so with a bit of shopping around/more effort you can probably get better value for money...)
.shut .up .nub.nub wrote:
lulz Finny you'd be better off asking for suggestions in GFX section
j/k tech team, don't rape me
best i can do on aria is this.
Quote of the year so far "Fifa 11 on the other hand... shiny things for mongos "-mtb0minime
I think my PSU is 350/400W...
I might be selling my current rig to my brother for ~£35.. so new budget £135-(maybe)£150..
I might be selling my current rig to my brother for ~£35.. so new budget £135-(maybe)£150..
£100 won't even get you a decent mobo that you could upgrade your CPU or GFX card later, so you are S.O.L. for now, so find a job.
If you're unemployed, you'd be better off just keeping your P4/7600/1GB whatever and working to fix your more important issue: cash flow. If anything, add another gig of RAM and call it good.
If you absolutely must have a newer setup, the only way you're going to get a better rig is through an eBay deal or something like that.
If you absolutely must have a newer setup, the only way you're going to get a better rig is through an eBay deal or something like that.
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-10-07 18:41:50)
Sell your graphics card separately! On eBay.co.uk, they go for £60ish.Sir Schmoopy wrote:
I think my PSU is 350/400W...
I might be selling my current rig to my brother for ~£35.. so new budget £135-(maybe)£150..
EDIT: £150 makes this a whole other thing.
The cooler is there because you have to oc that CPU to get the most out fo that system.
Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2008-10-07 21:19:34)
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
Wait... aren't those the same thing?Sir Schmoopy wrote:
I'm jobless and unemployedmax wrote:
it doesn't work that way. Save some money!
Edit: I guess its been a while check prices on hardware... hehe
Last edited by Naturn (2008-10-07 21:23:48)
since you are on such a tight budget, i would go for amd, due to the reason that apparently the new AM3 chips will work on AM2 Mobo's due to backword compatability with DDR2 ram but correct me if im worng
CPU- http://www.ebuyer.com/product/144637 £37.13inc vat
MOBO- http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143234 £30.70inc vat
GPU- http://www.ebuyer.com/product/129811 £23.20inc va
RAM- http://www.ebuyer.com/product/91124 £22.26inc vat
TOTAL- £113.39 including free P&P.
you don't have to get the graphics card as the mobo does have on board vga
or just do this bundle deal for £65 and get a 8400 for £30, total would be £95
http://www.ebuyer.com/bundle/GQ7HQRYJ7
CPU- http://www.ebuyer.com/product/144637 £37.13inc vat
MOBO- http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143234 £30.70inc vat
GPU- http://www.ebuyer.com/product/129811 £23.20inc va
RAM- http://www.ebuyer.com/product/91124 £22.26inc vat
TOTAL- £113.39 including free P&P.
you don't have to get the graphics card as the mobo does have on board vga
or just do this bundle deal for £65 and get a 8400 for £30, total would be £95
http://www.ebuyer.com/bundle/GQ7HQRYJ7
If it's 400W (and the 12V rails have enough current on 'em) get the stuff I suggested. That rapes most of the other suggestions.Sir Schmoopy wrote:
I think my PSU is 350/400W...
I might be selling my current rig to my brother for ~£35.. so new budget £135-(maybe)£150..
£45 for an 8800GT is very good and that'll be way better than any of these other cards for gaming and work out about the same money as Haffys card once you factor in shipping.
I doubt a Dell 350-400W PSU will have more than 20A on +12V.Bertster7 wrote:
If it's 400W (and the 12V rails have enough current on 'em) get the stuff I suggested. That rapes most of the other suggestions.Sir Schmoopy wrote:
I think my PSU is 350/400W...
I might be selling my current rig to my brother for ~£35.. so new budget £135-(maybe)£150..
£45 for an 8800GT is very good and that'll be way better than any of these other cards for gaming and work out about the same money as Haffys card once you factor in shipping.
Prove me wrong, Finny.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
From what I can tell from a quick bit of googling, Dell seem to predominantly use either 250W or 460W PSUs in their basic systems. If he's got a 250W (which from his current specs seems moderately unlikely) he's fucked - if he has a 460W though, he should be absolutely fine. No way that'll have less than 20A on 12V rails.Freezer7Pro wrote:
I doubt a Dell 350-400W PSU will have more than 20A on +12V.Bertster7 wrote:
If it's 400W (and the 12V rails have enough current on 'em) get the stuff I suggested. That rapes most of the other suggestions.Sir Schmoopy wrote:
I think my PSU is 350/400W...
I might be selling my current rig to my brother for ~£35.. so new budget £135-(maybe)£150..
£45 for an 8800GT is very good and that'll be way better than any of these other cards for gaming and work out about the same money as Haffys card once you factor in shipping.
Prove me wrong, Finny.
just get a fucking job
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