BF2S Forums Adjust/Remove air planes!

Torin wrote:

AA still blows. Suck it ground pounders.

@DawidBuchwald: I don't hide anything. Click on my sig. Nothing fishy, just hundreds of hours owning poor whiny ground pounding talentless babies. Make all the changes to AA you want, so long as I get a lock on you and rip you apart with machine guns before I even enter your AA range, what the hell can you do? Nothing, but contribute to yet another 60-0 round, post 1.2.

What about rest of my arguments? Nothing to say? Just admit it - you are still using most common expoit: plane whoring. If it makes you feel better, have fun. All I can say, is that I don't care how many points you earned or how good is your K/D. You still suck as a player. Nothing to be proud of, really... Try using other exploits, maybe aimbots or just hack into EA server and boost your stats. Yes, you will be the MAN. LOL.

MrBrain wrote:

I fucking hate them. The AA was improved in 1.2 but is still quite useless against airplanes, hence they gladly misses helis at 50m distance! It seems that after 1.2 only the real good pilots bother to fly, i.e. the basebombers. After 1.2 I oficially hate EVERY map with airplanes, the stingers are never there when you need them and if the airplane comes it comes fast, drop one flare and a load of bombs and ofcourse survive while you end up dead.

The aviators are as free as before to baserape with their bombraids, and it ruins the game totally. Remember this one time at dalian plant there were almost no one using the airplanes (or atleast able to use them) and the map was fun to play. This last week if you play US, it's almost impossible to even get off the carrier. Take a heli and an air plane shoots you down or rams you, or take a boat and you might get to land just in time to taste the bombraids.

Only thing left to do is to play commander to avoid being pissed off all the time. But if I take dalian plant as example again commanding isn't much fun there either because of the offsetbug that makes arty/UAV/supply end up a few cm off from where you clicked.

I've always tried to accept the airplanes and told my self, just shoot them down, take another route and so on. But you can't! There is never anything around to shoot them down with and taking the alternate route you still end up bombed because of the über-lockon system they have... The only thing left to adapt with here is to either become a planwhore or just don't play maps with air planes (which means you end up searching for a new server every 30min)

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That's it. You're out. Gimme your copy of BF2 and go play with your Gameboy or something.

Ah. Keep them coming. MrBrain's thread is a joke. Surely. Is it? LOL

MrBrain wrote:

I fucking hate them. The AA was improved in 1.2 but is still quite useless against airplanes, hence they gladly misses helis at 50m distance! It seems that after 1.2 only the real good pilots bother to fly, i.e. the basebombers. After 1.2 I oficially hate EVERY map with airplanes, the stingers are never there when you need them and if the airplane comes it comes fast, drop one flare and a load of bombs and ofcourse survive while you end up dead.

The aviators are as free as before to baserape with their bombraids, and it ruins the game totally. Remember this one time at dalian plant there were almost no one using the airplanes (or atleast able to use them) and the map was fun to play. This last week if you play US, it's almost impossible to even get off the carrier. Take a heli and an air plane shoots you down or rams you, or take a boat and you might get to land just in time to taste the bombraids.

Only thing left to do is to play commander to avoid being pissed off all the time. But if I take dalian plant as example again commanding isn't much fun there either because of the offsetbug that makes arty/UAV/supply end up a few cm off from where you clicked.

I've always tried to accept the airplanes and told my self, just shoot them down, take another route and so on. But you can't! There is never anything around to shoot them down with and taking the alternate route you still end up bombed because of the über-lockon system they have... The only thing left to adapt with here is to either become a planwhore or just don't play maps with air planes (which means you end up searching for a new server every 30min)

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You need to stop playing the game then.  Quit your bitching, its part of the game.  If it happens on a server you are on then just leave.

the stingers are crazy now

but just gotta adapt. i find it fun to shoot jets down in the sky and on the ground still


the sam sites really dont bother me much
iam usally 400 feet and up..and dive bomb the hell out of white flags


or yes base areas.


just fly higher people! well thats my 2 cents

you can out run the stingers at 1700 miles an hour very easily..

i guess im a pussy since 1.21 came out

gotta do what u gotta do though

out run em!

Well my very humble opinion is this.......there are no such things as plane whores, heli whores, tank whores, claymore whores, APC whores...etc...or noobs, smacktards, fucktards, spammers or whatever the hell else I have been called in this game at 1 time or another......We all bought and paid for this game for our own personal enjoyment, not everyone else's entertainment. So bottom line is ..............and their is no escaping it...............play the game the way you personally like to play it. If flying is your thing have fun, same with armor, or GL launching. Join a squad or don't. Whatever it takes to make the game fun for you........All of these "whoring" accusations stems from the fact that someone is having more fun at their game than you are at yours and that you aren't adapting to it very well. There are times we all have played, that it seemed we were the best players on the map. Other times it seemed we couldn't get out of the base. That is what makes this game so much fun.....Your game experience is different everytime you play, and the REAL reason for that is because we ALL play it differently. So adjust YOUR playing style to your experience of the day and not so much expect everyone else to adjust theirs to yours. You should still be having fun though but if you are not, it isn't anyone elses fault but yours.

Many times I left a game because I needed to back up and regroup on another server because someone was having a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better gaming experience than I was.  That simply doesn't make me a "noob" or him a "whore"..

You = everyone........not the original poster of this thread....

The original poster is right, airplanes are just rediculous in this game.  They should also do something about everyone that is running around with guns, knives, and grenades.  These three items kill me too many times a round and need to be taken away, they make the game no fun.  I mean, why would I play a FPS if I wanted to get shot?

I just dont think it is fair that I should be constantly getting killed by GUNS, NOT FAIR!!!!

I'm going to start a new thread. Adjust/remove guns or adjust/remove anything that kills me cus I'm a tard.

General_CoLin_Tassi wrote:

Anyway, fuck removing the airpower. They should be upgraded with shields and cloaking devices. That'll get the ground pounders whining!

I wonder how many photon topedoes it takes for a tank kill??......heheheeh

lowing wrote:

General_CoLin_Tassi wrote:

Anyway, fuck removing the airpower. They should be upgraded with shields and cloaking devices. That'll get the ground pounders whining!

I wonder how many photon topedoes it takes for a tank kill??......heheheeh

5 quantum torpedo's. Full spread. I, captain.

beerface702 wrote:

you can out run the stingers at 1700 miles an hour very easily..

Gee, so all I have to do if I have an AA missile on my tail is climb to 500 ft and dive straight down, after burning the whole time to hit 1700 mph and lose it? Sounds like a plan. I'm sure that AA missile won't hit me in the 15 seconds it takes me to do all that. </sarcasm>

DawidBuchwald wrote:

Torin wrote:

AA still blows. Suck it ground pounders.

@DawidBuchwald: I don't hide anything. Click on my sig. Nothing fishy, just hundreds of hours owning poor whiny ground pounding talentless babies. Make all the changes to AA you want, so long as I get a lock on you and rip you apart with machine guns before I even enter your AA range, what the hell can you do? Nothing, but contribute to yet another 60-0 round, post 1.2.

What about rest of my arguments? Nothing to say? Just admit it - you are still using most common expoit: plane whoring. If it makes you feel better, have fun. All I can say, is that I don't care how many points you earned or how good is your K/D. You still suck as a player. Nothing to be proud of, really... Try using other exploits, maybe aimbots or just hack into EA server and boost your stats. Yes, you will be the MAN. LOL.

Well, if you insist, I will reply to your original post, not just the edit. If you think flying a plane is an exploit, you are a sad, sad player. Yes, being in a plane is better than running around on the ground. You have more firepower, you have more health, you are a thousand times more agile, can get around the map more easily, can avoid enemy fire more easily, and can kill just about anything. Wonder why? Because it's a plane, not an AK-47 toting infantry. Do you expect someone in a plane to be no better than infantry? Or a jeep? Or a tank? Or a helicopter? If you hadn't noticed, planes are the strongest force in the game. And you wonder why people like to use them, myself included? Because they are the best. Do you run around as an infantry with your pistol out, when a M16A2 is available? No, of course not, you use the best option you have available. For me, on some maps, that's a plane. If you can't cope with the fact that air power > everything, BF2 might not be the game for you. Nothing about using a plane is an exploit, you apparently just have issues coming to terms with how powerful aircraft are in the Battlefield series. This is a direct corrolation to the real world battlefield, where air power is also, coincidentally, the most influential aspect of warefare.

And how exactly does my use of a plane make me "suck as a player"? Does it say anything about how well I do on the ground, in a tank, in a heli? No, it doesn't. I happen to be good in those situations too, just not AS good as a plane, mainly because planes are the best vehicles in the game, in every respect.

I'm going to assume you are one of those whiny ground pounders I always like to diss. Have you ever tried using a plane? Spent the time to get good using it? Do you even know what it feels like to pull a 60-0 round?

DawidBuchwald wrote:

Yes, I'm a noob. I just try to learn anything... spending most of the time waiting for respawn. Because it's "fair' that a guy with no skill and just good joystick, fast machine and good Internet connection (nothing more, I'm sure) gets me killed everytime I jump into AA. Is it really that easy to take out the jet? Tell me, how comes than that you planewhores have such high K/D ratio? Does it really mean that there is not even one skilled AA player? I don't think so.

Here is where you start to stray from reality. It takes skill to use a plane, regardless of having a good joystick, fast machine and good connection. Obviously you don't know how to, which is why I assume you are coming to that conclusion. When you can fly a plane and kill anyone the second they jump into an AA emplacement, then you'll have room to talk, but anyone saying flying a jet well is not skilled, simply has no idea what they're talking about. Yes, I'm sure you wish you did know, and I'm sure you do want some easy explanation for why you get owned, but the simple matter of fact here is that those pilots that kill you everytime you jump into AA, are so skilled with a plane that you don't have a chance no matter what you do. The mere fact that a pilot can target you and kill you even before they enter AA range is enough to give a good pilot the edge against all ground-based AA. Expect to die everytime you get into AA against a good pilot, because that's the way it is. Even after 1.2, the only way to kill a good pilot is another good pilot. Don't like it? Sorry, go back to Karkand. Jets > AA when used properly, every single time.

DawidBuchwald wrote:

Two missles to take out the jet? Have you seen it at least once? Fuck you, two hits are never enough. Yes, I can reload - it takes "just" five seconds. You can repair your jet in less than a second or escape within 2-3. Fuck you, but it has nothing to do with balance.

2 missiles do not always take out a jet. In my experience, 2 ground based missiles will rarely ever take out a full health jet, they just seem to do less damage than jet missiles. Same with helis, 2 ground missiles don't usually ever take them out. Also, the damage done by a missile depends on how it impacts. I've had missiles impact, just barely, and only take off a smidgeon of life. I've also had them hit me right in the tail pipe, and take off over half my health. The average air-based AA missile will take off 50% of the life from a jet or heli, and 2 will usually always kill it. Ground-based missiles usually always take 3, as they never seem to get good solid hits right on the engine.

1 single AA emplacement will never, and should never be able to take out a jet in 1 salvo. It takes no skill to lock on, no skill to shoot. All you do is aim, wait a second, fire and walk away. AA emplacements are all over the map and respawn fast. Jets are available in very small quantities (1-2) and take a lot longer to respawn. There is a reason 1 salvo from 1 AA emplacement does not take out a jet, because THAT would be unbalanced.

DawidBuchwald wrote:

I agree that killing choppers with new AA is a joke. Way too easy. So is killing anybody with chopper. Seems balanced, but I know: my stats suck, I don't understand, I'm retarded and I should fuck off.

Somebody said: planes are supposed to last longer. Why? Because you say so? Because you want this game to be easy? Fuck, every retarded asshole in a plane says that when groundpunders ask for balance it's because they are talentless; pilots asking to make their easy life even easier are talented. You guys are funny.

BECAUSE THEY ARE PLANES? Why do you think they last longer on the real battlefield? Because they cost millions of dollars and have the most recent technology, compared to an AK-47 or Stinger that costs at most a few thousand dollars. BF2 is loosely based off of realism (note the term loosely), which is why planes play such a strong role in the game. The simple fact is that an infantry soldier's life is much more easily extinguished because he has no real protection from anything. A few rounds from an assault rifle kill an infantry. A couple rounds from a tank or 1 well placed APC round kills an infantry. A single AT round or grenade kills an infantry. Infantry are the weakest things in the game. 1 infantry running around with a $600 assault rifle cannot expect to withstand the punishment of a multi-million dollar jet or tank. Simply put, you are at a natural disadvantage. That's why planes are supposed to last longer. Any bum can be an infantry and aim an assault rifle. Only a couple select players can use jets, and of those players only the most skilled will remain in the sky.

DawidBuchwald wrote:

Realism? "The planes are supposed to be unstoppable, as they are in real life" I agree, but it takes hours to reload. How about we implement it in game? Still, planes will be able to take out everything and escape stingers just by flying 300m over the ground, but to reload they would have to LAND and wait on runway for, say, five minutes. Do you like it? No? So STFU!

Gee, how about we implement the same thing for helis, tanks, apcs, humvees, etc. You know why we don't? Because it would ruin the fun of the game. If you want to go making planes more realistic, then let me bomb 15 people at once from 15,000 ft. up, with no warning, and no way to stop me. Let me destroy tanks simply by spotting them on my radar, targetting them and letting an LGM go, from 15,000 ft up, with no warning, no way to stop me. Planes in BF2 are tons more vulnerabe than real life, hence also why there exists situations like flying over a runway to rearm. Add to the fact that most runways are not long enough to land properly, much less turn around, and you'll see why a plane rearms simply by flying over the runway. It's called playability.

I'm real sorry that you can't cope with how good planes are, but that is reality in the Battlefield series. Don't like it? Try Special Forces (no planes there) or another game entirely. It just sounds like vanilla BF2 is not your cup of tea. Learn to enjoy every map, every weapon, every vehicle (even planes), and you will learn to appreciate the game. Until you do that, you're just another whiny ground pounder.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that topic.