Odd cuz you're probably the second most racist person on BF2s.The Sheriff wrote:
Skittles is probably the most racist person I know, I'm not surprised he wrote what he did in this topic.
You dont even have to do that. Google 'Jewish extermination camp' and the hits will return just 'extermination camp'. The camps were not used exclusively for Jews.lowing wrote:
you get partial creditm3thod wrote:
How many jewish extermination camps were there?lowing wrote:
I dunno how many Catholic Death camps were there?
As far as i know they were just extermination camps. If you were not a certain breed in you went.
http://frank.mtsu.edu/~baustin/holocamp.html
but you gotta admit, it was the Jews that were singled out for the "final solution"
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&am … &meta=
I agree but I wasn't really disputing who took the brunt of Nazi ideology.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
6 milion christians and catholics adn 7000 polish priests
noone talks about that though.
noone talks about that though.
Hated and attacked throughout their existence, yeah why do they get all the breaks.Mek-Stizzle wrote:
I don't like the special treatment they get.
Seriously. No one else was lucky enough to get kicked out of England, France and Spain.Stingray24 wrote:
Hated and attacked throughout their existence, yeah why do they get all the breaks.Mek-Stizzle wrote:
I don't like the special treatment they get.
It can't be denied that some serious double standards exist in relation to this topic... in general, not just on this forum.
NOTE: these first three quotes have been amended for dramatic effect!
Would this version of the quote be treated as nonchalantly?OrangeHound wrote:
Hmmm ... that isn't consistent with my understanding. I know that there were many Jewish Rabbis in the concentration camps, due to their opposition to the Nazis ... but, six million Jews? That seems high to me.
Would this version of the quote be treated as nonchalantly?DesertFox- wrote:
The figure seems to be greatly exaggerated. The Holocaust page on Wikipedia lists the total deaths of that event as in the range of 8 million, and there's no mention of Jews on the list either, so they're probably grouped into one of the small categories with others.
I found no mention of Jews being killed en masse by the Nazis beyond a couple cases of Rabbis in concentration camps, the largest number of those being 2,500. Surely they weren't free from persecution and I'm sure many thousands perished, but the numbers don't compare to those of the other victims.
Would this version of the quote be treated as nonchalantly?presidentsheep wrote:
What about the Reichskonkordat?? Stuff like that would have protected Jewish Rabbis for the early parts of the war.... If this many Jews were killed it would have been for being Poles rather than Jewish. As far as I know only Catholics and Jehovas witnesses were targetted for their religion.
NOTE: these first three quotes have been amended for dramatic effect!
Try actually reading what's in the link.Lisik wrote:
The link you posted is about Nazi Party... nothing about Chatolics, am i missing something?
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Oh yeah, and every other race on the planet got a fucking easy ride did they?Stingray24 wrote:
Hated and attacked throughout their existence, yeah why do they get all the breaks.Mek-Stizzle wrote:
I don't like the special treatment they get.
What about black Africans who got dragged all over the world and traded as slaves for years? What about the 1 million plus Irish people who died of starvation during the famine while British-ruled Ireland continued to export food? What about the native Americans who were decimated by the European settlers? What about the Aborigines who had their land, their children, their culture and, in many cases their ability to have children taken away from them by outsiders? What about the 200'000 native Peruvians that President Alberto Fujimori forced to be sterilised as part of his National Eugenics program?
Double standards yet again.
That was to do with the traditional Germanic background that the Aryan race was said to have been..Sup wrote:
What I don't understand is; Hitler wanted to have a nation full of blond and blue-eyed men yet he was the opposite of that. Hope I didn't just went offtopic too much.
It was basically Himmler's twisted view of world history he wanted to implement.
The Nazi's actually sent out archaeologists to places like Nepal to try and prove that Germans were the founders of civilization, existed and built glorious cities well before the Egyptians built the pyramids, etc.
They also wanted to push a (i guess you'd call Pagan) theology into the fold as well, tying the worship of the land, tree's, etc into a religious cult.
I'm surprised at how little many of you know about WWII (not directed at you .sup).
6 million Jews killed is only an estimate. There were many, many more killed. This figure does not take into account those who were displaced. They simply had their entire families wiped out and the records destroyed along with their lives. You can't tell how many really were killed globally.
The Jews do get more recognition than the Catholics killed. But the catholics get more recognition than the homeless, retarded, the gypsies, every other minority that could be discriminated against were.
Watch a movie like Charlie Chaplin's The Great Dictator and then read into when it was produced. Well before the Nazi's started to systematically wipe out whom they thought inferior, it was known that this was going on.
But history is written by the victor. There is very little, to no, recognition of what became of the captured German soliders during the Russian counter attack on the Stalingrad Cauldron. The entire 6th army was left to die from starvation, disease and exposure in the bitter cold because they never received the supplies promised by Hitler.
Before they were wiped out, and they literally were, radio broadcasts were made over Germany dedicated to the great sacrifice the army had made by sacrificing their lives.
The war was terrible for both sides, and everyone involved. Recognition or not, it doesn't change what happened.
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I thought Italy was a catholic nation
What are you talking about? (I know there's sarcasm there, but don't know who it's directed at or why. lol)God Save the Queen wrote:
I thought Italy was a catholic nation
Mussolini was an ally of Hilter... Their was an underground movement opposed to the war, similar to the France resistance force when Paris was occupied, but Italy and Germany fought together.
The reason the Catholic causalities were so high, probably has something to do with the nations the German army invaded...
You just made it more difficult for me to understand the point of this thread. First of all, "nonchalantly" implies an adverbial form of the adjective "nonchalant" so it is simply an odd (and likely wrong way to type) thus leading to part of my confusion.Braddock wrote:
It can't be denied that some serious double standards exist in relation to this topic... in general, not just on this forum.Would this version of the quote be treated as nonchalantly?OrangeHound wrote:
Hmmm ... that isn't consistent with my understanding. I know that there were many Jewish Rabbis in the concentration camps, due to their opposition to the Nazis ... but, six million Jews? That seems high to me.Would this version of the quote be treated as nonchalantly?DesertFox- wrote:
The figure seems to be greatly exaggerated. The Holocaust page on Wikipedia lists the total deaths of that event as in the range of 8 million, and there's no mention of Jews on the list either, so they're probably grouped into one of the small categories with others.
I found no mention of Jews being killed en masse by the Nazis beyond a couple cases of Rabbis in concentration camps, the largest number of those being 2,500. Surely they weren't free from persecution and I'm sure many thousands perished, but the numbers don't compare to those of the other victims.Would this version of the quote be treated as nonchalantly?presidentsheep wrote:
What about the Reichskonkordat?? Stuff like that would have protected Jewish Rabbis for the early parts of the war.... If this many Jews were killed it would have been for being Poles rather than Jewish. As far as I know only Catholics and Jehovas witnesses were targetted for their religion.
NOTE: these first three quotes have been amended for dramatic effect!Try actually reading what's in the link.Lisik wrote:
The link you posted is about Nazi Party... nothing about Chatolics, am i missing something?
However, I have yet to find any credible source for these supposed millions of Catholic deaths during the Holocaust. Jews comprised around 70% of those killed in the statistics I have found, and I've yet to even see a category for Catholics who were murdered. I would imagine they were persecuted (I know neo-Nazis hate us for some reason, but I'm not sure why). I only recall of a few instances in which clergy folk were killed for aiding the Allies, so I must wonder how and where this 4 million figure originated from.
Long story short: I am confused as to the point of this topic, and have yet to see proof of these 4 million deaths outside of that one Wikipedia paragraph quoted.
what Im getting at. 4 millions catholics werent systematically executed. If they were, I doubt Italy would have ever allied with em.TheAussieReaper wrote:
What are you talking about? (I know there's sarcasm there, but don't know who it's directed at or why. lol)God Save the Queen wrote:
I thought Italy was a catholic nation
Mussolini was an ally of Hilter... Their was an underground movement opposed to the war, similar to the France resistance force when Paris was occupied, but Italy and Germany fought together.
The reason the Catholic causalities were so high, probably has something to do with the nations the German army invaded...
I think that sentence resume what point the OP is trying to make.DesertFox- wrote:
However, I have yet to find any credible source for these supposed millions of Catholic deaths during the Holocaust.
Change the word "Catholic" by the word "Jewish" in this quote and you will get crucified by some forum members and even put to jail in some country.
And also the fact that it is so hard to find any credible information about Catholic deaths during the holocaust show the "double standards" Braddock is talking about.
Just my humble opinion.. Now i'm out before getting accused of anti semitism.
Not exactly a credible source, since it's wiki but:DesertFox- wrote:
However, I have yet to find any credible source for these supposed millions of Catholic deaths during the Holocaust. Jews comprised around 70% of those killed in the statistics I have found, and I've yet to even see a category for Catholics who were murdered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
I think that the OP source is not taking into account a systematic killing of Catholics, but rather extermination of nationalities after a country had been invaded.World War II casualty statistics vary to a great extent. Estimates of the death toll range from 50 million to over 70 million.
Recent historical scholarship has shed new light on the casualties of World War II. Research in Russia since the fall of communism has revised the estimate of Soviet war dead. Losses of the USSR, within postwar borders, are now estimated at 26.6 million.
Historians in post-communist Poland now estimate the losses of Polish citizens at between 4.9 and 5.1 million in German hands.
The casualties listed here include about 12 million war related famine deaths in China, Indonesia, French Indochina and India that are often omitted from other compilations of World War II casualties.
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A lot of the catholics killed, I'd assume, were in either Poland or other countries that were killed because of their nationality, not because of their religion.
Edit: Or just as a result of the Nazis sweeping through towns.
Edit: Or just as a result of the Nazis sweeping through towns.
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Yea.Poseidon wrote:
A lot of the catholics killed, I'd assume, were in either Poland or other countries that were killed because of their nationality, not because of their religion.
Edit: Or just as a result of the Nazis sweeping through towns.
It really didn't matter who you were. Only if you were labeled an enemy of the state. Jews were named though. Ever been to a concentration camp? Coldest fucking place I've been in my life.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Also the Germans experimented on people. One of the examples they did was to try to color dye people's eyes blue for making a blue-eyed race.
germans are evil
It's common knowledge that millions of Jews were killed, and that's because we have all the documented stories and evidence in writing of them being targeted. Along with them we know of the gypsies, homosexuals, political prisoners and so on were rounded up specifically for being different in one way, whether it be religion, lifestyle, or political affiliations. However, the thing is so shocking about this thread to everyone is that beyond the summary of the Holocaust, I don't believe anyone here is familiar with the notion that Catholics were a group persecuted for their religion and systematically rounded up and murdered as the Jews were. It seems a bit off to me (as a Catholic) and the only possible way I could fathom the amount of "Catholic deaths" in the war would be if they were simply including all the soldiers and citizens who affiliated with the Catholic Church. Still, I don't recall there being anything about Catholics being forced into ghettos or shipped to concentration camps and killed en masse.
Umm i have done multiple assignments on this subject... and to my knowledge (i could be wrong).
but 6 million Jew were killed.
6 million other minorities etc were killed... but i though the majority of those were russian POWs and civillians because the slavs were regarded as sub human... 4 million catholics sounds very high, i know catholics were killed but mainly ones who dodged conscription, helped jews or opening denounced the war etc...
as for the "anyone who wasnt arian was killed" this isnt true.... germany could never have waged war if they killed anyone who wasnt aryan... they killed people who opposed the government no matter their backround.
i could beleive that 4 millions catholics were killed in the war (counting catholic soldier etc) but not 4 million killed by the nazis.
but 6 million Jew were killed.
6 million other minorities etc were killed... but i though the majority of those were russian POWs and civillians because the slavs were regarded as sub human... 4 million catholics sounds very high, i know catholics were killed but mainly ones who dodged conscription, helped jews or opening denounced the war etc...
as for the "anyone who wasnt arian was killed" this isnt true.... germany could never have waged war if they killed anyone who wasnt aryan... they killed people who opposed the government no matter their backround.
i could beleive that 4 millions catholics were killed in the war (counting catholic soldier etc) but not 4 million killed by the nazis.
Someone should raise the issue with Wikipedia because Wikipedia says the Nazis carried out "the systematic murder of...four million Catholics, and about five million other people, mainly Russians, Poles and Roma"; it does not, in any way, imply the inclusion of military personnel killed in combat in that estimate.DesertFox- wrote:
It's common knowledge that millions of Jews were killed, and that's because we have all the documented stories and evidence in writing of them being targeted. Along with them we know of the gypsies, homosexuals, political prisoners and so on were rounded up specifically for being different in one way, whether it be religion, lifestyle, or political affiliations. However, the thing is so shocking about this thread to everyone is that beyond the summary of the Holocaust, I don't believe anyone here is familiar with the notion that Catholics were a group persecuted for their religion and systematically rounded up and murdered as the Jews were. It seems a bit off to me (as a Catholic) and the only possible way I could fathom the amount of "Catholic deaths" in the war would be if they were simply including all the soldiers and citizens who affiliated with the Catholic Church. Still, I don't recall there being anything about Catholics being forced into ghettos or shipped to concentration camps and killed en masse.
My belief is that the Jews were the public enemy, so to speak, while pretty much every other non-Aryan denomination quietly suffered in almost the same way. The Jews were an easy target to aim Nationalism and xenophobia towards (much like the Muslim community are today) a public assault on the Catholic faith would have been a much harder sell for Hitler.
Why is it that we can have this critical debate about other religious groups but if it were the Jewish death toll we were questioning this thread would most likely already be closed by now and I'd probably be banned?
NOTE: I am NOT, in any way, denying that millions of Jews were killed during the Holocaust.
NOTE: I am NOT, in any way, denying that millions of Jews were killed during the Holocaust.
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Most of the Jews that they killed were German.God Save the Queen wrote:
germans are evil
wikipedia lies.......that never happened......they were on vacation!
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because there is no controversy, it happened and you are not denying it. You are however in denial about Islam and its affect on western society. Hence a controversyBraddock wrote:
Why is it that we can have this critical debate about other religious groups but if it were the Jewish death toll we were questioning this thread would most likely already be closed by now and I'd probably be banned?
NOTE: I am NOT, in any way, denying that millions of Jews were killed during the Holocaust.