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2008-10-20 21:13:10
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6464|Winland

You can't blame ATI for having a cramped case and weak PSU. They (as in all chip makers) always understate the "wattage" needed. A good 600W, minimum is needed, or maybe something with 450 real watts.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2008-10-20 21:17:20
Defiance
Member
+438|6937

Freezer7Pro wrote:

You can't blame ATI for having a cramped case and weak PSU. They (as in all chip makers) always understate the "wattage" needed. A good 600W, minimum is needed, or maybe something with 450 real watts.
I was more concerned with the lack of an 8 pin connector, not to mention 2x8 and 2x6. Wattage be damned, you'd need a shit ton of adapters and molex connectors to support that.
2008-10-20 22:06:16
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6464|Winland

Defiance wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

You can't blame ATI for having a cramped case and weak PSU. They (as in all chip makers) always understate the "wattage" needed. A good 600W, minimum is needed, or maybe something with 450 real watts.
I was more concerned with the lack of an 8 pin connector, not to mention 2x8 and 2x6. Wattage be damned, you'd need a shit ton of adapters and molex connectors to support that.
A good PSU has 8-pin PCI-Es natively. For example, my HX520 has two of them.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2008-10-20 22:10:16
Defiance
Member
+438|6937

Freezer7Pro wrote:

Defiance wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

You can't blame ATI for having a cramped case and weak PSU. They (as in all chip makers) always understate the "wattage" needed. A good 600W, minimum is needed, or maybe something with 450 real watts.
I was more concerned with the lack of an 8 pin connector, not to mention 2x8 and 2x6. Wattage be damned, you'd need a shit ton of adapters and molex connectors to support that.
A good PSU has 8-pin PCI-Es natively. For example, my HX520 has two of them.
I know. My point is, the OP's PSU does not regardless of wattage. The point I'm trying to make is that if he's going to look for a PSU, make sure it has the right connectors. The first thing most people think about with PSUs is wattage, which is not the first concern here.
2008-10-20 22:16:37
topal63
. . .
+533|6985

Defiance wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

Defiance wrote:

I was more concerned with the lack of an 8 pin connector, not to mention 2x8 and 2x6. Wattage be damned, you'd need a shit ton of adapters and molex connectors to support that.
A good PSU has 8-pin PCI-Es natively. For example, my HX520 has two of them.
I know. My point is, the OP's PSU does not regardless of wattage. The point I'm trying to make is that if he's going to look for a PSU, make sure it has the right connectors. The first thing most people think about with PSUs is wattage, which is not the first concern here.
I am not looking for or upgrading the PSU. I am returning the card. It stated it was compatible with the crossfire system; as it exists; but it is not. End of story.

_________
It was a gift. Not an upgrade path. I gave an existing computer (1 year old) - with a brand new 4870x2 card. The card is not compatible with the crossfire system as it exists; for whatever reason. So fuck it. I am not spending any more money on this gift. I'll try something else; or even NO GIFT is an option.

Last edited by topal63 (2008-10-20 22:21:01)

2008-10-21 00:05:23
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6834|NYC / Hamburg

It's your own fault for not researching properly. How can you blame ATi for your inadequate PSU and case? The 4870X2 is an awesome card
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
2008-10-21 02:06:17
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7032|Cambridge (UK)
You can get cables that'll do 2x6pin to 1x8pin...

Or, you might even be able to find 2xMolex to 1x8pin...

Or, you could buy the PSU you're probably gonna need to power it anyway...

Or, as you say, you could send it back...
2008-10-21 03:12:39
RDMC
Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!
+736|6832|Area 51

twoblacklines wrote:

does it run bf2 ok with no issues ?

thanks.

its only £100 more or so than a gtx 280 and much quicker once you enable AA AF etc, so worth buying to last me 3 years
You have to be kidding me, it will rip BF2 to shreds.
2008-10-21 03:17:35
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6834|NYC / Hamburg

I can play BF2 @ 1680x1050 @ all highs on a single hd4780 @ 100FPS and fold on the same card with hardly a reduction in ppd
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
2008-10-21 04:38:19
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7032|Cambridge (UK)

max wrote:

I can play BF2 @ 1680x1050 @ all highs on a single hd4780 @ 100FPS and fold on the same card with hardly a reduction in ppd
Yeah, but is it compatible with his shitty PSU?
2008-10-21 04:52:42
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6464|Winland

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

max wrote:

I can play BF2 @ 1680x1050 @ all highs on a single hd4780 @ 100FPS and fold on the same card with hardly a reduction in ppd
Yeah, but is it compatible with his shitty PSU?
Should be.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2008-10-21 04:54:36
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6834|NYC / Hamburg

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

max wrote:

I can play BF2 @ 1680x1050 @ all highs on a single hd4780 @ 100FPS and fold on the same card with hardly a reduction in ppd
Yeah, but is it compatible with his shitty PSU?
dunno. I ran my E8400 & 2x 4870 CF on my enermax modu 82+ 525W for a while until I swapped all my PSUs around. Ran perfectly well. Quality > Quantity
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
2008-10-21 06:20:20
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6816|UK

TheAussieReaper wrote:

You know all the guys to blame for it, are the posters above me.

I'd return the card, you've said it's a known issue with no solution found.

Exchange the card for an Nvidia gtx 280 + save £100.
He isnt the OP (or am I blatently missing something here?).  Hardly our fault if he didnt research it properly.
2008-10-21 06:21:16
Kurazoo
Pheasant Plucker
+440|6951|West Yorkshire, U.K
My friend has a 4870x2, it runs really hot unless you put the fan on 100% and it sounds like a vacuum cleaner! He doesnt want to change the cooler because it voids warrenty
2008-10-21 06:21:38
Lieutenant_Jensen
Your cops are corrupt.
+200|6658|fåking denmark

Bell wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

You know all the guys to blame for it, are the posters above me.

I'd return the card, you've said it's a known issue with no solution found.

Exchange the card for an Nvidia gtx 280 + save £100.
He isnt the OP (or am I blatently missing something here?).  Hardly our nor ATi's fault if he didnt research it properly.
2008-10-21 06:29:21
Ultimatrox
Member
+38|6500|Netherlands
I always noticed a big performance increase whenever i got more RAM or a better CPU, the performance increase wasn't all that big with a new GPU..
2008-10-21 07:29:28
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6464|Winland

Ultimatrox wrote:

I always noticed a big performance increase whenever i got more RAM or a better CPU, the performance increase wasn't all that big with a new GPU..
That depends on what you're upgrading both from and to.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2008-10-21 07:34:48
topal63
. . .
+533|6985
What a bunch of blathering nonsense. The PSU and the cable connections are both what the spec.s called for: a 6-pin and 6-pin are supposed to work and a 600watt PSU (> 450) is supposed to work.

You are blathering and arguing with each other - it is utterly useless to me. If you knew of reason why it wasn't working or that a (2)-4pin molex to 8pin PCI power converter would do the trick - then that would helpful. Else, fuck off with your utterly useless comments.
___
You don't know that the PSU is a shitty PSU - and, well it isn't.

Last edited by topal63 (2008-10-21 07:38:41)

2008-10-21 07:55:34
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6816|UK

topal63 wrote:

What a bunch of blathering nonsense. The PSU and the cable connections are both what the spec.s called for: a 6-pin and 6-pin are supposed to work and a 600watt PSU (> 450) is supposed to work.

You are blathering and arguing with each other - it is utterly useless to me. If you knew of reason why it wasn't working or that a (2)-4pin molex to 8pin PCI power converter would do the trick - then that would helpful. Else, fuck off with your utterly useless comments.
___
You don't know that the PSU is a shitty PSU - and, well it isn't.
Take a flying fuck to yourself pal.  This isnt your thread.  You came in complaining about some dumb ass mistake you made, and are now blaming us for your incompetence? 

You know what would of worked, making a new thread (of your own) asking the guys to fix it for you.  Instead of hijacking some other guys and shouting your mouth off like some twat.
2008-10-21 08:15:35
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6464|Winland

topal63 wrote:

What a bunch of blathering nonsense. The PSU and the cable connections are both what the spec.s called for: a 6-pin and 6-pin are supposed to work and a 600watt PSU (> 450) is supposed to work.

You are blathering and arguing with each other - it is utterly useless to me. If you knew of reason why it wasn't working or that a (2)-4pin molex to 8pin PCI power converter would do the trick - then that would helpful. Else, fuck off with your utterly useless comments.
___
You don't know that the PSU is a shitty PSU - and, well it isn't.
First: What Bell said.

Second: You don't know shit about computer power supplies. It's blatantly obvious. There is not one manufacturer that rates their PSUs according to their true capacity. Take a look at all the 500W PSUs on Newegg, for example. The amp ratings will dangle between 20A and 50A on +12V on different PSUs of the same "wattage". That 450W rating is pretty bad, only the best 450W PSUs will handle it, and that is barely.

And if you can get a 4870X2, but not a 10cm cable, something is wrong. It's not our fault you didn't check before you bought. Nor is it ATI's, or your cases maker. It's your own damn fault, and don't expect any help when you come storming in, shouting like you own the place. You can do that where people get paid.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2008-10-21 08:34:21
GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6681|Finland

Yeah it damn sure isn't AMD's fault that you have issues with your PSU cables...

HD 4870 X2 is a really awsome card that will last for a good while. Actually I'm thinking of getting one.
3930K | H100i | RIVF | 16GB DDR3 | GTX 480 | AX750 | 800D | 512GB SSD | 3TB HDD | Xonar DX | W8
2008-10-21 10:26:27
topal63
. . .
+533|6985

Bell wrote:

Take a flying fuck to yourself pal.  This isnt your thread.  You came in complaining about some dumb ass mistake you made, and are now blaming us for your incompetence? 

You know what would of worked, making a new thread (of your own) asking the guys to fix it for you.  Instead of hijacking some other guys and shouting your mouth off like some twat.
No!!! Fuck me...

There was something wrong with the PSU!!! Even though it is fairly new and well rated it isn't working right??? I swapped it out of another 600watt I had in another computer and now the 4870x2 is working fine.

So there!!! You guys were right. I guess. And now, I have no choice but to buy another PSU if I want the other computer working as well.

Last edited by topal63 (2008-10-21 10:29:15)

2008-10-21 10:28:57
DUnlimited
got any popo lolo intersting?
+1,160|6730|cuntshitlake

topal63 wrote:

Bell wrote:

Take a flying fuck to yourself pal.  This isnt your thread.  You came in complaining about some dumb ass mistake you made, and are now blaming us for your incompetence? 

You know what would of worked, making a new thread (of your own) asking the guys to fix it for you.  Instead of hijacking some other guys and shouting your mouth off like some twat.
No!!! Fuck me...

There was something wrong with the PSU!!! Even though it is fairly new and well rated it isn't working right??? I swapped it out of another 600watt I had in another computer and now the 4870x2 is working fine.

So there!!! You were right. I guess I have no choice but to buy another PSU if I want the other computer working was well.
Hehe. I am currently testing one of those 4870's myself, pretty awesome card it is. Runs fine on a Corsair HX520 too.
main battle tank karthus medikopter 117 megamegapowershot gg
2008-10-21 10:35:09
topal63
. . .
+533|6985

DeathUnlimited wrote:

topal63 wrote:

Bell wrote:

Take a flying fuck to yourself pal.  This isnt your thread.  You came in complaining about some dumb ass mistake you made, and are now blaming us for your incompetence? 

You know what would of worked, making a new thread (of your own) asking the guys to fix it for you.  Instead of hijacking some other guys and shouting your mouth off like some twat.
No!!! Fuck me...

There was something wrong with the PSU!!! Even though it is fairly new and well rated it isn't working right??? I swapped it out of another 600watt I had in another computer and now the 4870x2 is working fine.

So there!!! You were right. I guess I have no choice but to buy another PSU if I want the other computer working was well.
Hehe. I am currently testing one of those 4870's myself, pretty awesome card it is. Runs fine on a Corsair HX520 too.
It's weird the PSU is properly rated but it doesn't work quite right? Eh... this kind off annoying shit always happens to me when I am feeling charitable. The computer is a gift to neighbor. His son doesn't have a computer of his own. So I am giving him my older one. It had (2) old 1900xt(s) in crossfire mode. I decided to give him the comp. with the upgraded 4870x2 as a birthday present.

Last edited by topal63 (2008-10-21 10:37:59)

2008-10-21 10:37:31
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6834|NYC / Hamburg

Spoiler (highlight to read):
told you so

good thing that you got it sorted
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.

 

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