Not really, I do not endorse the death penalty for such crimes as ohhhhhhhhh lets say, looking at another person.oug wrote:
*alarming similarities with ME religious nutjobs*lowing wrote:
and I would enhance it.Braddock wrote:
I don't often agree with lowing but I do follow him somewhat on the concept that legal punishment should entail some form of actual punishment and not just rehabilitation... I would stop short of the death penalty though.
...or being stoned to death for the crime of having been raped.lowing wrote:
Not really, I do not endorse the death penalty for such crimes as ohhhhhhhhh lets say, looking at another person.oug wrote:
*alarming similarities with ME religious nutjobs*lowing wrote:
and I would enhance it.
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because everyone loves chatting with me.FatherTed wrote:
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Attempted murder is there because you also have a lovely little crime known as manslaughter.imortal wrote:
I have always wondered, why do we let someone off easy for "attempted murder," or "attempted robbery?" Does the fact that they were not competent enough to finish it mean they get a break? I think the act of attempting a crime should carry the same penalty as fully committing it.
If I plan to kill you, stab you in the stomach thinking that Ive just killed you (hur hur hur aren't I the sexy mastermind crim?), throw you in the boot of my car to dispose of the body, and roll that said car off a cliff, the resulting gravity on said car causing said car with you in boot screaming like a little girl meanwhile said car hits the ground and kills you, that's not murder. I wasn't trying to kill you when I rolled the car off the cliff, I thought you were already dead.
So I can be charged with attempted murder when I stabbed you. And manslaughter when I accidentally killed you when you fell off the cliff (wasn't my fault you have a fat gut).
You can't prove that I intended to kill you when I rolled the car, because my defense is that my stab wound into your belly was believed to have been sufficient.
.....and his argument is just because you are so crazy and incompetent to fail at murder you should still die, and I agreeTheAussieReaper wrote:
Attempted murder is there because you also have a lovely little crime known as manslaughter.imortal wrote:
I have always wondered, why do we let someone off easy for "attempted murder," or "attempted robbery?" Does the fact that they were not competent enough to finish it mean they get a break? I think the act of attempting a crime should carry the same penalty as fully committing it.
If I plan to kill you, stab you in the stomach thinking that Ive just killed you (hur hur hur aren't I the sexy mastermind crim?), throw you in the boot of my car to dispose of the body, and roll that said car off a cliff, the resulting gravity on said car causing said car with you in boot screaming like a little girl meanwhile said car hits the ground and kills you, that's not murder. I wasn't trying to kill you when I rolled the car off the cliff, I thought you were already dead.
So I can be charged with attempted murder when I stabbed you. And manslaughter when I accidentally killed you when you fell off the cliff (wasn't my fault you have a fat gut).
You can't prove that I intended to kill you when I rolled the car, because my defense is that my stab wound into your belly was believed to have been sufficient.
Why would you associate my crime to that of being crazy? There's no background to the story whatsoever. He could have been sexually abusing me and this is my revenge years later (watch the movie Sleepers).lowing wrote:
.....and his argument is just because you are so crazy and incompetent to fail at murder you should still die, and I agree
Incompetent? I doubt it. It's the incompetent lawyers who can't charge me with murder because they can't prove I wanted to kill him when it really mattered.
Shit, if you were raped as a boy, I think the govt. should assist you in killing him.TheAussieReaper wrote:
Why would you associate my crime to that of being crazy? There's no background to the story whatsoever. He could have been sexually abusing me and this is my revenge years later (watch the movie Sleepers).lowing wrote:
.....and his argument is just because you are so crazy and incompetent to fail at murder you should still die, and I agree
Incompetent? I doubt it. It's the incompetent lawyers who can't charge me with murder because they can't prove I wanted to kill him when it really mattered.
The lawyers can only work within the confines of the law, a point that all your beloved defense attorneys build a living on.
So you think rape is a crime punishable by death?lowing wrote:
Shit, if you were raped as a boy, I think the govt. should assist you in killing him.
TheAussieReaper wrote:
Attempted murder is there because you also have a lovely little crime known as manslaughter.imortal wrote:
I have always wondered, why do we let someone off easy for "attempted murder," or "attempted robbery?" Does the fact that they were not competent enough to finish it mean they get a break? I think the act of attempting a crime should carry the same penalty as fully committing it.
If I plan to kill you, stab you in the stomach thinking that Ive just killed you (hur hur hur aren't I the sexy mastermind crim?), throw you in the boot of my car to dispose of the body, and roll that said car off a cliff, the resulting gravity on said car causing said car with you in boot screaming like a little girl meanwhile said car hits the ground and kills you, that's not murder. I wasn't trying to kill you when I rolled the car off the cliff, I thought you were already dead.
So I can be charged with attempted murder when I stabbed you. And manslaughter when I accidentally killed you when you fell off the cliff (wasn't my fault you have a fat gut).
You can't prove that I intended to kill you when I rolled the car, because my defense is that my stab wound into your belly was believed to have been sufficient. Because you are dead, I drove you off the side of a cliff in my car
i do.TheAussieReaper wrote:
So you think rape is a crime punishable by death?lowing wrote:
Shit, if you were raped as a boy, I think the govt. should assist you in killing him.
true sexual deviants do not get better.
but we arent going down that road.
If you shot a guy three times and he lived, I think the average person can reasonably assume that you meant to kill him, unless you can present some pretty convincing evidence otherwise. Same for multiple stab wounds. Or how about attempted bank robery?TheAussieReaper wrote:
Why would you associate my crime to that of being crazy? There's no background to the story whatsoever. He could have been sexually abusing me and this is my revenge years later (watch the movie Sleepers).lowing wrote:
.....and his argument is just because you are so crazy and incompetent to fail at murder you should still die, and I agree
Incompetent? I doubt it. It's the incompetent lawyers who can't charge me with murder because they can't prove I wanted to kill him when it really mattered.
Hell yes, TWICE!!TheAussieReaper wrote:
So you think rape is a crime punishable by death?lowing wrote:
Shit, if you were raped as a boy, I think the govt. should assist you in killing him.
Lowing has previously expressed a desire to have those guilty of breaking and entering executed so don't be too surprised.TheAussieReaper wrote:
So you think rape is a crime punishable by death?lowing wrote:
Shit, if you were raped as a boy, I think the govt. should assist you in killing him.
hmmmm... I wonder if there is a bit of misleading there... I believe that if you break into my house, and I am home at the time, I am within my rights and fully entitled to defend myself, my loved ones, my home, and my property by any means in my power to include lethal force. That is not to say I can hunt you down afterwards, but if you are still there, and a potential threat, I can end your life. Is that the same thing?Braddock wrote:
Lowing has previously expressed a desire to have those guilty of breaking and entering executed so don't be too surprised.TheAussieReaper wrote:
So you think rape is a crime punishable by death?lowing wrote:
Shit, if you were raped as a boy, I think the govt. should assist you in killing him.
Nope, lowing had a thread a number of months back about a young man who had moved himself into a house in which the actual owner had gone on vacation. The young rapscallion had trashed the place and made off before being subsequently caught by the authorities while getting up to further mischief. Lowing expressed his great sadness that the guy was not shot and killed and was instead simply processed in the legal system as normal. Now we're not talking about "him or me, life or death" scenarios here, we're talking about a guy who trashes an uninhabited residence and lowing wants the guy dead.imortal wrote:
hmmmm... I wonder if there is a bit of misleading there... I believe that if you break into my house, and I am home at the time, I am within my rights and fully entitled to defend myself, my loved ones, my home, and my property by any means in my power to include lethal force. That is not to say I can hunt you down afterwards, but if you are still there, and a potential threat, I can end your life. Is that the same thing?Braddock wrote:
Lowing has previously expressed a desire to have those guilty of breaking and entering executed so don't be too surprised.TheAussieReaper wrote:
So you think rape is a crime punishable by death?
Original thread: http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=105234
Kill the rape victim as well cause she shouldn't have been wearing that mini-skirt....?lowing wrote:
Hell yes, TWICE!!TheAussieReaper wrote:
So you think rape is a crime punishable by death?lowing wrote:
Shit, if you were raped as a boy, I think the govt. should assist you in killing him.
It's probably been brought up before, but if a rapist has the threat of death, instead of jail, he is more likely to kill his victim if she can identify him.
You know what your absolutely right. Rapists do deserve to live. They deserve to live in australia. I'll even buy all the plane tickets. here ya go. enjoy.
I'd rather see them jailed for life than to be executed. A point you obviously have missed.mcjagdflieger wrote:
You know what your absolutely right. Rapists do deserve to live. They deserve to live in australia. I'll even buy all the plane tickets. here ya go. enjoy.
I think a reasonable interpretation of the statement is that he would have preferred that the owners come home while the guy was still there, and that the owners happened to be armed at the time, bringing about a swift end to the burglar's hijinks.Braddock wrote:
Nope, lowing had a thread a number of months back about a young man who had moved himself into a house in which the actual owner had gone on vacation. The young rapscallion had trashed the place and made off before being subsequently caught by the authorities while getting up to further mischief. Lowing expressed his great sadness that the guy was not shot and killed and was instead simply processed in the legal system as normal. Now we're not talking about "him or me, life or death" scenarios here, we're talking about a guy who trashes an uninhabited residence and lowing wants the guy dead.imortal wrote:
hmmmm... I wonder if there is a bit of misleading there... I believe that if you break into my house, and I am home at the time, I am within my rights and fully entitled to defend myself, my loved ones, my home, and my property by any means in my power to include lethal force. That is not to say I can hunt you down afterwards, but if you are still there, and a potential threat, I can end your life. Is that the same thing?Braddock wrote:
Lowing has previously expressed a desire to have those guilty of breaking and entering executed so don't be too surprised.
Original thread: http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=105234
To buttress this interpretation, in a later post lowing chastises CameronPoe for telling him what not to do to protect his family.
Yes, misleading.
If I might clarify. What I said was I would not give a flying fuck if he were killed while committing his crime. Same with all robberies. If they are shot and killed while committing a crime, I can sleep at night.Braddock wrote:
Nope, lowing had a thread a number of months back about a young man who had moved himself into a house in which the actual owner had gone on vacation. The young rapscallion had trashed the place and made off before being subsequently caught by the authorities while getting up to further mischief. Lowing expressed his great sadness that the guy was not shot and killed and was instead simply processed in the legal system as normal. Now we're not talking about "him or me, life or death" scenarios here, we're talking about a guy who trashes an uninhabited residence and lowing wants the guy dead.imortal wrote:
hmmmm... I wonder if there is a bit of misleading there... I believe that if you break into my house, and I am home at the time, I am within my rights and fully entitled to defend myself, my loved ones, my home, and my property by any means in my power to include lethal force. That is not to say I can hunt you down afterwards, but if you are still there, and a potential threat, I can end your life. Is that the same thing?Braddock wrote:
Lowing has previously expressed a desire to have those guilty of breaking and entering executed so don't be too surprised.
Original thread: http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=105234
As far a what immortal has discribed, you also disagree. Are you not one of the ones spouting off about how your personal property is not worth a human life and shit?
No piece of property is worth a human life. Do you believe otherwise?lowing wrote:
If I might clarify. What I said was I would not give a flying fuck if he were killed while committing his crime. Same with all robberies. If they are shot and killed while committing a crime, I can sleep at night.Braddock wrote:
Nope, lowing had a thread a number of months back about a young man who had moved himself into a house in which the actual owner had gone on vacation. The young rapscallion had trashed the place and made off before being subsequently caught by the authorities while getting up to further mischief. Lowing expressed his great sadness that the guy was not shot and killed and was instead simply processed in the legal system as normal. Now we're not talking about "him or me, life or death" scenarios here, we're talking about a guy who trashes an uninhabited residence and lowing wants the guy dead.imortal wrote:
hmmmm... I wonder if there is a bit of misleading there... I believe that if you break into my house, and I am home at the time, I am within my rights and fully entitled to defend myself, my loved ones, my home, and my property by any means in my power to include lethal force. That is not to say I can hunt you down afterwards, but if you are still there, and a potential threat, I can end your life. Is that the same thing?
Original thread: http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=105234
As far a what immortal has discribed, you also disagree. Are you not one of the ones spouting off about how your personal property is not worth a human life and shit?
Yes I do, I will shoot a home intruder deadBraddock wrote:
No piece of property is worth a human life. Do you believe otherwise?lowing wrote:
If I might clarify. What I said was I would not give a flying fuck if he were killed while committing his crime. Same with all robberies. If they are shot and killed while committing a crime, I can sleep at night.Braddock wrote:
Nope, lowing had a thread a number of months back about a young man who had moved himself into a house in which the actual owner had gone on vacation. The young rapscallion had trashed the place and made off before being subsequently caught by the authorities while getting up to further mischief. Lowing expressed his great sadness that the guy was not shot and killed and was instead simply processed in the legal system as normal. Now we're not talking about "him or me, life or death" scenarios here, we're talking about a guy who trashes an uninhabited residence and lowing wants the guy dead.
Original thread: http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=105234
As far a what immortal has discribed, you also disagree. Are you not one of the ones spouting off about how your personal property is not worth a human life and shit?
Oh dear God, I hope you're joking.
I need around tree fiddy.
I am with lowing, someone breaks into my house to threaten my family, I am not going to take chances, his ass is going to be put down.lowing wrote:
Yes I do, I will shoot a home intruder deadBraddock wrote:
No piece of property is worth a human life. Do you believe otherwise?lowing wrote:
If I might clarify. What I said was I would not give a flying fuck if he were killed while committing his crime. Same with all robberies. If they are shot and killed while committing a crime, I can sleep at night.
As far a what immortal has discribed, you also disagree. Are you not one of the ones spouting off about how your personal property is not worth a human life and shit?