Poll

Are you for or against the medal system?

For it, most wins should result in a championship14%14% - 5
Against it, the point system is more fair37%37% - 13
I'd like to see the old 10-6-4-3-2-1 system back48%48% - 17
Total: 35
DonFck
Hibernator
+3,227|7079|Finland

F1:s grand old man Bernie Ecclestone plans to implement a gold medal system to replace the current point system. In other words, his plans are that the driver with most wins would automatically win the world title, even if he wrecked his car in all other competitions.

CBS Sports wrote:

The suggestion by the Formula One boss comes after Lewis Hamilton clinched this year's title by finishing fifth at the season-ending Brazilian Grand Prix. Ecclestone said Wednesday he does not like the idea that "someone can win the world championship without trying to win the race."

The Guardian wrote:

If the new scoring system was applied retrospectively, there would be as many as 12 different winners in the 58-year history of the championship — Keke Rosberg would have been denied his 1982 title because he finished first in only one race.
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Personally, I believe that taking back the old point system (10-6-4-3-2-1) would be the best choice.

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Since FatherTed seems incapable of creating a thread about this subject that has content (no offense), I thought a poll with some background info could be a good alternative.
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1927
The oldest chav in the world
+2,423|7120|Cardiff, Capital of Wales
I'm not into sports where you race around the same thing.  Wether that be in a Car, on a Bike, on a Horse or in a pair of Nike's.  I also belive 'If it isn't fucked don't try fixing it'.

So I voted the 2nd option ' the current system is fair'.  I could be wrong but I havent seen anyone complaining.

Last edited by 1927 (2008-11-27 02:24:20)

Varegg
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+2,206|7257|Nårvei

Naturally the best driver is the one with the most points after the season is over, a combination of both medals and points perhaps ?
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+111|6194|Croatia
10-6-4-3-2-1
TC.Troy
Let the rough side drag
+111|7020
With all the issues of and around the steward system this season, shouldnt fixing that broken cart be the top priority??  Bernie is delusional imo.  The points system in F1 works fine...sure, it could be tweaked ( I wont get into that, too many possibilities) but in the end, it works.
The Steward system on the other hand...

But, Bernie is about as fucked up as they come imo...and Mosley isnt much better.

Aero changes, potential engine changes, tire spec changes and finally KERS...
my God what are they thinking?

Overtaking needs to be addressed, and I think maybe a WDC point for the pole is ok, but more than that is toying with something that works.

2009 will be a season to watch, for sure.  I just hope it doesnt kill the sport...
Hell, F1 is already on life support in North America.
CammRobb
Banned
+1,510|6577|Carnoustie MASSIF
I think a medal system work better, 'cause that way there is a bigger incentive to win races, encouraging more overtaking and ultimately, a better season for the spectators.


Edit:

500th Day today!!!

Last edited by SirSchloppy (2008-11-27 05:22:16)

Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7068|London, England
Yeah, I'd prefer keeping the current points system but making a win more important, so basically 10-6-4-3-2-1

It's impossible to create an environment where you'll have 20 or so cars all going for the win, it just can't be like that. Teams need incentive to improve and so you need to still have rewards for finishing outside of the podium
FatherTed
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+3,936|6947|so randum
said it before, he's a headcase
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Jenspm
penis
+1,716|7179|St. Andrews / Oslo

Mekstizzle wrote:

Teams need incentive to improve and so you need to still have rewards for finishing outside of the podium
Exactly. It would kill the teams, and I bet several teams would withdraw from the circuit, knowing that they wouldn't ever get a single point.


10-6-4-3-2-1, imo.
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DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|7128|Disaster Free Zone

Varegg wrote:

Naturally the best driver is the one with the most points after the season is over, a combination of both medals and points perhaps ?
A different points system would change the driver with the most points at the end of the year. Basically you must decide if you want to reward the driver who is really fast and wins a fair share of races but also is very inconstant and crashes often or the driver who is not as fast but consistently up near the front.

DonFck wrote:

Personally, I believe that taking back the old point system (10-6-4-3-2-1) would be the best choice.
9-6-4-3-2-1 tbh

I think they should bring back the old qualifying also, and give them fuel tanks that last the whole race... pit stops imo are pointless and just wreck the racing, and decent fucking tyres.... from multiple companies.
Kez
Member
+778|6150|London, UK
Just keep it the same, Ecclestone should l2die
Phaytal
Member
+20|6601|Engarlandd
I couldn't care, I don't see the attraction in watching some guy race around the same track about 50 billion times..
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6996|UK

Phaytal wrote:

I couldn't care, I don't see the attraction in watching some guy race around the same track about 50 billion times..
You could make the same argument about any sport.  Why watch a bunch of guys in shorts chase after a leather ball?

on topic.  A mix, as much as I wanted hamilton to win, I do agree its a bit shitty that at the moment, you can loose yet still win.  If wins became much more of an insentive, the other teams would strive to make up time that they generally dont do so well in.  I mean, in china Hamilton owned the ferraris, and we all knew the ferraris wherent so fast around there.  If wins where more important, I would assume ferrari, and indeed every team would try harder to adress that short coming.
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|7128|Disaster Free Zone
effectively with the proposed plan, someone who finishes second in every single race can't win the championship and may finish as low as 19th. Sound fair.... I don't think so.

Bell wrote:

as much as I wanted hamilton to win, I do agree its a bit shitty that at the moment, you can loose yet still win.
Why? he spent the previous 17 races getting a lead in the championship. By your theory the previous 17 races should just not count and the championship should be decided on the final race of the year.

Bell wrote:

If wins became much more of an insentive, the other teams would strive to make up time that they generally dont do so well in.
On the contrary, 'luck' should not be a factor in deciding a championship and should therefore reward more consistent drivers.

Last edited by DrunkFace (2008-11-27 07:57:18)

kylef
Gone
+1,352|6940|N. Ireland
Bring back the old points system, but implement that 1 point for qualifying first regime too.
wensleydale8
Member
+81|7216|LEEDS!!!!!, Yorkshire

kylef wrote:

Bring back the old points system, but implement that 1 point for qualifying first regime too.
I think the new system would work if you had 1 gold = 2 silvers = 3 bronzes = then so on and so forth as you run down to 8th

I think that would create more competition, but then again this also has its dis advantages.

think of the poins going 10 then 5, 3.3, 2.5, 2, 1.66, 1.42 and then 1.25 if a certain number was eaqual to ten if you get me.
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DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|7128|Disaster Free Zone

kylef wrote:

Bring back the old points system, but implement that 1 point for qualifying first regime too.
If getting pole wasn't already such a huge advantage in the race I would agree.

18 races:
8 pole drivers won
2 came second
2 came third
2 came fifth
1 came twelfth
1 came thirteenth
2 retired

Last edited by DrunkFace (2008-11-27 08:12:40)

Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6996|UK

Bell wrote:

as much as I wanted hamilton to win, I do agree its a bit shitty that at the moment, you can loose yet still win.

DrunkFace wrote:

Why? he spent the previous 17 races getting a lead in the championship.
Since, it promotes the idea, that, they can sit back, and let the pack fight it out on the front, while he coasts around. 

DrunkFace wrote:

By your theory the previous 17 races should just not count and the championship should be decided on the final race of the year.
I never alluded to this idea. 

I think the champion should be the one who adapts to the unique set of circumstances that arise, and ultimately deal with best, consistently, over the season.

I do however feel that the drivers should be chasing after as many wins as possible, even if they literally have twice as many points as anyone else.  From, an entertainment perspective at least, F1, like practically any other sport is a type of entertainment after all.  We want some action.

Bell wrote:

If wins became much more of an incentive, the other teams would strive to make up time that they generally dont do so well in.

DrunkFace wrote:

On the contrary, 'luck' should not be a factor in deciding a championship and should therefore reward more consistent drivers.
Why luck?  Someone who is consistently winning races will most likely, have the better car under them, and be the better driver.  Does these two attributes come about by ''luck'' as you put it?  Maybe Ferrari should curb the 500million odd that they spent this year, and employ my mother to drive, if wins come down to luck.

If you want to reduce it to luck, then any over take, crash, win, loss, or indeed any event that affects the championship, could be argued as being, ''luck''.  I prefer to think of it as being a battle between drivers, and the designers.

Martyn
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+1,447|6644|Winland

The what system?
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

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