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2008-11-28 15:31:04

GodFather: Blademaster's bottom bitch; +387|6486|Phoenix, AZ

This may sound stupid, but I dont know too much about cameras, but I want to buy a nice SLR camera with some cash Ive been saving up, or will save up

I have a 10MP point and click digital camera, and it's okay, but I dont like the limits it has, I dont like the lack of Manual focus, I dont like the time between pictures, I dont like how its all in a digital menu (I like buttons on cameras for fast access) for starters...

And the thing about me is, I usually try to run with things before I can walk, I would rather not buy a $450 SLR to "learn how to use it" because shit, im upgrading in the future? Why would I waste money? And im surely not getting into photography, so I wont need anything past $700

So any suggestions? I've looked at the specs of the cameras, and about 60% of it is gibberish, 25% I know, and 15% I understand the principals

These are the two cameras I'm thinking about getting

The Nikon D60 10.2MP

&

The Cannon EOS Rebel XSi 12.2

The Rebel looks nice, like it's worth the extra cash, especially the 12.2MP would be good if I want to print or frame large pictures

My mom bought a Cannon SLR (Film) many, many years ago and said she loved it (still has it but uses the Digital Point And Shoot) but now that were stepping into the Digital realm I know theyre not so much the same

So basically I'm trying to get some basic info, about cameras, photography, experiences with any SLR cameras... Anything of the sort

Thanks all

2008-11-28 15:39:32

kylef: Gone; +1,352|6759|N. Ireland

Canons have a lesser learning curve for basics so that would be a possibility. Also, when entering SLRs in this price range megapixels are pretty useless - a bit like clock speed these days on PCs.

2008-11-28 15:50:08

CrazeD: Member; +368|6939|Maine

D40.

2008-11-28 16:03:00

jaymz9350: Member; +54|6843

for the most part both canon and nikon will be pretty equal in the same price ranges. The one downside that kas kept me from looking at alot of the lower side of nikon is lack of auto focus built into the camera which means if you want auto focus you have to pay more for an AF lens.

2008-11-28 16:06:42

HellHead: The fantastic Mr. Antichrist; +336|6975|Germany

Funny enough i am working on the same topic at the moment and from what I learned the D60 is a very, very good DSRL starter and
medium camera for a very good price.
Nikon even has a package deal out now called "Fatbox" which includes camera, camera bag, memory cards and other stuff for a
pretty decent price.
But be sure to pick the VR variant of the 18-55 not the manual one !

2008-11-28 16:39:57

TheDonkey: Eat my bearrrrrrrrrrr, Tonighttt; +163|5983|Vancouver, BC, Canada

I too am looking for a DSLR, being a theater junkie, I tend to (try to) take many pictures of the stage/set/lighting, and cellphone nor Point and shoots just can't capture the brilliance that is the theater.

I'm leaning towards the Canon Rebel XSI, it's fairly "cheap" for a DSLR, it's got 12MP, is "sinple" enough for a beginner, etc etc etc.

2008-11-28 17:51:01

-Whiteroom-: Pineapplewhat; +572|6925|BC, Canada

I have the original Canon digital rebel... 6.3 megapixel... all I ever needed, and I used to run a small zine.. so thats more than enough for recreational photography.

2008-11-28 18:11:08

Volatile: Member; +252|6970|Sextupling in Empire

I just purchased the Xsi last night from newegg. It came with a free 8gb card and camera bag (though it seems as though they ran out cause they're not offering it anymore )

From what I gather, the differences between the two brands is negligible. You can't go wrong either way, and it's mostly up to the users interface/software preference.

kylef wrote:
Canons have a lesser learning curve for basics so that would be a possibility. Also, when entering SLRs in this price range megapixels are pretty useless - a bit like clock speed these days on PCs.

Not necessarily. If you do a lot of cropping on your photos, then the added megapixels will help a bit.

2008-11-28 21:19:08

TheDonkey: Eat my bearrrrrrrrrrr, Tonighttt; +163|5983|Vancouver, BC, Canada

Wtf, Newegg lists the XSi as being ~$800, I thought I saw it in local stores for something closer to $600

2008-11-28 22:22:55

GodFather: Blademaster's bottom bitch; +387|6486|Phoenix, AZ

Volatile wrote:
Also, when entering SLRs in this price range megapixels are pretty useless - a bit like clock speed these days on PCs.
Not necessarily. If you do a lot of cropping on your photos, then the added megapixels will help a bit.

Yeah, and as I said in the whole printing process

2008-11-29 11:14:32

PigPopTart: Shotgun whore; +133|6555|Pacific NW, USA

I just got a D40 2 weeks ago.

When looking at DSLR's don't worry about the megapixels so much. Yes they make a difference, but the lens is more important. This is why a NikonD40 w/6.1MP will take a far better picture than a P&S camera with 10MP. There is more to it than just the lens but you get what i'm saying.

I got mine at RitzCamera local store but they have the same price online @ http://www.ritzcamera.com/ (you'll have to find the kit yourself, I'm limited on time right now.)

But the kit was $552.97USD and got me:

Nikon D40 Kit (body, essentials, 18-55mm nikkor lens)
Nikkor 55-200mm VR lens
2GB extremeIII SD
2X UV lense filters
1 shaded UV filter
Nikon Camera/accessory bag

Couple pics I've taken with it.

https://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/IntegraVSR/Balugas.jpg

https://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/IntegraVSR/Conner.jpg

Last edited by PigPopTart (2008-11-29 11:15:28)

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2008-11-29 14:34:13

GodFather: Blademaster's bottom bitch; +387|6486|Phoenix, AZ

PigPopTart wrote:
I just got a D40 2 weeks ago.

When looking at DSLR's don't worry about the megapixels so much. Yes they make a difference, but the lens is more important. This is why a NikonD40 w/6.1MP will take a far better picture than a P&S camera with 10MP. There is more to it than just the lens but you get what i'm saying.

I got mine at RitzCamera local store but they have the same price online @ http://www.ritzcamera.com/ (you'll have to find the kit yourself, I'm limited on time right now.)

But the kit was $552.97USD and got me:

Nikon D40 Kit (body, essentials, 18-55mm nikkor lens)
Nikkor 55-200mm VR lens
2GB extremeIII SD
2X UV lense filters
1 shaded UV filter
Nikon Camera/accessory bag

Couple pics I've taken with it.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/ … alugas.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b120/ … Conner.jpg

Thats pretty sexy

Noob question : What do those different filters & lenses do?

2008-11-29 14:37:01

bugz: Fission Mailed; +3,311|6578

GodFather wrote:
Thats pretty sexy

Noob question : What do those different filters & lenses do?

I think they cut down on the glare so you don't get giant lens flares in your photos.

UV Filters - Absorbs ultraviolet rays. Gives cleaner, sharper pictures with less haze. It is recommended to leave a UV filter on your camera lens at all times to protect the lens from dust, moisture, scratches, and breakage.

http://www.camerafilters.com/

Last edited by ebug9 (2008-11-29 14:38:00)

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2008-11-29 14:39:43

TheDonkey: Eat my bearrrrrrrrrrr, Tonighttt; +163|5983|Vancouver, BC, Canada

ebug9 wrote:
GodFather wrote:
Thats pretty sexy

Noob question : What do those different filters & lenses do?
I think they cut down on the glare so you don't get giant lens flares in your photos.

From my beginners reading in SLR's, different lenses have different grades of glass with different zooms and they produce prettier looking images.

Filters go infront of the lenses and depending on which one, some reduce glare, flaring, some make the sky a darker blue/remove haze.

2008-11-29 14:40:21

White-Fusion: Fuck; +616|6818|Scotland

I have the D60 and I love it, however I have used Canon after getting my Nikon and really really loved it.

I would say go with the D60 as it's a bit cheaper and I know myself it is a brilliant camera.

2008-11-29 15:01:30

GodFather: Blademaster's bottom bitch; +387|6486|Phoenix, AZ

ebug9 wrote:
Nikons are cheaper in the long run if you plan on buying more lenses. Canon's are fairly expensive.

I dont mind dropping another $100+ on a cannon if I can get a better base, I mean i can get great lenses (hypothetically) but what are great lenses with a great lenses without a great base? [hard to explain, but I think you can get it]

Unless Cannon Lenses/filters are way more expensive than Nikon...

Okay, holy shit there are a lot of lenses...

Can someone summarize what shots these lenses would be needed for?

Ultra-Wide Zoom:

Standard Zoom:

Telephoto Zoom:

Wide-Angle:

Standard & Medium Telephoto:

Telephoto:

Super Telephoto:

Tilt-Shift:

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/contr … goryid=111

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2008-11-29 15:18:56

bugz: Fission Mailed; +3,311|6578

GodFather wrote:
ebug9 wrote:
Nikons are cheaper in the long run if you plan on buying more lenses. Canon's are fairly expensive.
I dont mind dropping another $100+ on a cannon if I can get a better base, I mean i can get great lenses (hypothetically) but what are great lenses with a great lenses without a great base? [hard to explain, but I think you can get it]

Unless Cannon Lenses/filters are way more expensive than Nikon...

Okay, holy shit there are a lot of lenses...

Can someone summarize what shots these lenses would be needed for?

Ultra-Wide Zoom: The wide angle allows you to bring more area into focus and provides greater depth of field.

Standard Zoom: This category features lenses with the most popular focal lengths, from wide-angle to telephoto, and a variety of apertures.

Telephoto Zoom: Telephoto zoom lenses allow you to capture details normally missed by the eye. Capture the far off action of fast-paced sports or zoom in for an intimate portrait with a blurred background.

Wide-Angle: These lenses let you capture more by broadening the angle of view and increasing the depth of field bringing more area into focus.

Standard & Medium Telephoto: For a more natural angle of view and perspective, choose from one of these lenses.

Telephoto: Telephoto lenses not only let you close-in on a subject, but also allow you to zoom in on a subject that you cannot get close to.

Super Telephoto: Nothing quite compares to the amount of dimension a super telephoto lens can bring to a photograph. All the lenses in the category are part of the L-series, incorporating superior lens construction and USM for quiet, high-speed autofocusing.

Tilt-Shift: Tilt movements allow you to obtain a wide depth of field even at the maximum aperture and still keep the entire subject in focus. Shift movements correct the trapezoidal effect seen in pictures taken of tall objects, so as not to distort the subject.

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/contr … goryid=111

Taken from that site

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2008-11-29 15:35:17

TheDonkey: Eat my bearrrrrrrrrrr, Tonighttt; +163|5983|Vancouver, BC, Canada

I'm pretty sure he was asking for a non-photogeek version of the guide >.<

2008-11-29 15:41:50

White-Fusion: Fuck; +616|6818|Scotland

TheDonkey wrote:
I'm pretty sure he was asking for a non-photogeek version of the guide >.<

That was a pretty easy to understand description, you won't get much more simpler than that.

Get the Nikon D60 with the included kit lens and learn the ropes and all the in's and out's over the next year or so. Then if you love it get yourself a new camera and nice lens.

2008-11-29 15:58:13

TheDonkey: Eat my bearrrrrrrrrrr, Tonighttt; +163|5983|Vancouver, BC, Canada

Actually after doing an actual look though and comparison of the possibilities, I'm probably gonna get the Canon XS, it's $150 cheaper than the XSI, is a Canon, and gets decent reviews.

Now to just get a job and the money for one...

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