Auqakuh2213
Bianchi Whore.
+53|7123
Not too long ago, I decided it was about time I defragged my hard drive. As is my usual practice, I used Norton Speed Disk. I use Speed Disk only because it allows me to place my Windows and Program Files directories at the start of the hard disk, which speeds things up just a touch (it seems to me, at any rate).

But to my horror, after defragging the drive with Speed Disk, I found I could no longer play BF2 in singleplayer mode.

Yikes! I thought. Oh well. That's not too bad; I don't usually host our coop LAN games anyway, or didn't then. So no problem, thought I.

Except...

I then tried to play online. But I found - to growing horror, yes, you guessed it - that I couldn't. Ping time too high, I hear you think?

Nope.

Then maybe it was PunkBuster. PunkBuster always screws up!

Nope.

Or perhaps it was the phantom "There is a problem with your connection" sneaking up on me, and slapping me around the head roughly?

And... nope.

No, none of these. Far, far worse. It was the dreaded... the feared... the hated and loathed...

"Your CD-key is not valid"

Half-enraged, half(you can guess the word - yes!)-horrified, I scratched my forehead. I peered at the screen. I'd had this before, once or twice, where servers had given that output but then I'd successfully connected a few minutes later. Figuring this was a bug of some sort or an error caused by heavy load on the gamespyid servers (I think those are the ones that check the cdkey and such?), I shrugged, relaxing back into my chair. I repositioned my headset dramatically, clicking on another server.

But...

Again. The same.

Blinking rapidly now and trying to figure out some supertechnical reason why this wasn't working (and already blaming my woefully awful ISP, Toucan, who are a reseller for Tiscali, and have a 3gb per week limit we breach every week, and who are generally the lead villain in reality for me at the moment), I frowned and tried again.

Same result.

Reboot. Restart game. Try again. Another failure. Some futile shouting and waving of arms occured, and then I tried again. Same result. Shutdown. Wait ten seconds.

And repeat and wash. After some of this, I grew irritated (okay, enraged and furious), and decided to find out what the hell was going on.

And then I found it. Apparently, the cdkey entry in the Windows registry can become somewhat skewed - or should I say, had become somewhat skewed for some people - when a certain patch version was installed.

I hadn't installed that patch version.

I thought back. What had I done? What had changed on my system?

And in the end, only one thing had changed. I hadn't even downloaded a file that day, it turned out. A quick check of my harddrive confirmed that only four applications had been run that particular day: Open Office (which never killed BF2 or anything else before and hasn't since), SimpleMU (which I've run for years without problems), Calculator, and...

Speed Disk.

The only one which changed my system, naturally, was Speed Disk.

Upon examination, I discovered that my cdkey had been decrypted in the registry - at least, that's what it looked like. Anyone who knows what that particular registry key looks like will know that their cdkey is encrypted after entry at install, and placed into said registry key in what looks like hexadecimal format. Mine was in it's native form.

The Special Forces registry key, however, was normal. Hexadecimal entry, encrypted.

Right, thought I.

Special Forces is fired up. And onto a server I go with no issues.

I am still utterly bemused as to the mechanics of what occurred, but I'm now fairly sure (after some investigation) that the cause of this was Speed Disk, and it's shifting either/or Program Files and Windows to the start of my hard disk (physically speaking).

Therefore:

Be warned. Speed Disk MAY screw up your BF2 installation.

Last edited by Auqakuh2213 (2006-03-13 07:30:28)

Trooper_Collider
Member
+25|7198
Good to know. Thx




Semper Fi!
(T)eflon(S)hadow
R.I.P. Neda
+456|7283|Grapevine, TX
I used to be an avid Norton user for about 5 years, now I know it's one of the most widely used and prolific computer viruses out there! I suggest removing all Norton software, and using something like AVG anti-virus. Its free and gaming friendly.
Digger1969
Member
+3|7191|Toronto, Canada
Speed disked myself last week with no problems......
BEE_Grim_Reaper
Member
+15|7161|Germany
I definitely have very bad experiences with Norton System Works... in both Versions 2004 and 2006.... 2004 Speed Disk messed up 2 partitions including the system partition so I had them to reformat completely and with 2006... well... suffice it to say that the Norton GoBack cannot really be uninstalled and if you try too hard, it results not only in complete filesystem corruption but in the neccessity to do a low level format as well...

As for Internet Security... after switching to other products, my computer boots up faster, has more available system resources and much less trouble...
CrazeD
Member
+368|7127|Maine
Uh oh....

I also defragged last night, and I made an un-lock mod for singleplayer so I can use the unlocks. I tried to play and I couldn't play singleplayer. I thought ok, maybe my mod is messed up so I'm copying my BF2 mod again to do it again...

Hope I didn't mess it up..
Auqakuh2213
Bianchi Whore.
+53|7123

CrazeD wrote:

Uh oh....

I also defragged last night, and I made an un-lock mod for singleplayer so I can use the unlocks. I tried to play and I couldn't play singleplayer. I thought ok, maybe my mod is messed up so I'm copying my BF2 mod again to do it again...

Hope I didn't mess it up..
If it gets to about 14% loaded on the, err, well, loading screen for the map, then crashes, you're probably okay and simply typo'd somewhere when you were editing the relevant .con files. My recent efforts towards making a weapons mod have smashed into this brick wall repeatedly.


Also, going with the theme here: yes, Norton Systemworks does suck. I no longer use it.

Last edited by Auqakuh2213 (2006-03-13 12:42:52)

MelbourneVictory
Member
+2|7099|Melbourne, Australia
I think I'm one of the few people on the planet to have never had a problem with NAV. I can't say I've used their other programs, because I find them all trivial. However, if you know what you're doing, and you have a lot of RAM (heh, 2gb, no worries about background stuff eating my gaming experience away), Norton can be a damn good program. It's 4 years without a virus now, I've paired it up with Spybot + TeaTimer (TT is a godly program) and I haven't had any trouble for years.

Some of you might find this hard to believe, but hey, I had to come here and maybe balance the argument. Norton gets a lot of crap, and I can't see why because I've never had any toruble.
CrazeD
Member
+368|7127|Maine

Auqakuh2213 wrote:

CrazeD wrote:

Uh oh....

I also defragged last night, and I made an un-lock mod for singleplayer so I can use the unlocks. I tried to play and I couldn't play singleplayer. I thought ok, maybe my mod is messed up so I'm copying my BF2 mod again to do it again...

Hope I didn't mess it up..
If it gets to about 14% loaded on the, err, well, loading screen for the map, then crashes, you're probably okay and simply typo'd somewhere when you were editing the relevant .con files. My recent efforts towards making a weapons mod have smashed into this brick wall repeatedly.


Also, going with the theme here: yes, Norton Systemworks does suck. I no longer use it.
Nope, I didn't have any singleplayer maps in the list. But it was just a messed up mod somehow, I did it again and it worked.
GuestHead
Member
+2|7074
Symantec Antivirus Corporate Edition FTW.  Works in x64 xp too.  No fancy graphical crap or 24,000 background processes like system works has.  If you can acquire it, I'd make the switch from any norton product.  Can't really comment on anything non-norton except Avast (only anti-virus i knew of that worked with xp x64 for a while).  Avast is alright, but a friend of mine got a virus and said it was pretty much useless when it came to removal.  I never had a problem myself though.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,074|7225|PNW

Half of the PC's I've ever worked on had problems due to something McAffee or Norton did without the user's knowledge.
BEE_Grim_Reaper
Member
+15|7161|Germany

MelbourneVictory wrote:

I think I'm one of the few people on the planet to have never had a problem with NAV. I can't say I've used their other programs, because I find them all trivial. However, if you know what you're doing, and you have a lot of RAM (heh, 2gb, no worries about background stuff eating my gaming experience away), Norton can be a damn good program. It's 4 years without a virus now, I've paired it up with Spybot + TeaTimer (TT is a godly program) and I haven't had any trouble for years.

Some of you might find this hard to believe, but hey, I had to come here and maybe balance the argument. Norton gets a lot of crap, and I can't see why because I've never had any toruble.
Actually, we are not really talking about Norton Antivirus but Norton Systemworks... which harbors some more nifty little toys to ruin you OS installation.... Antivirus as a standalone is decent at best... there are better programs out there.... however... take a look at the other toys of NSW:

Speed disk: nifty little disc defragmenter.... however, it tends to "optimize" file placement... to a point where system performance really suffers... that thing also has the nasty habit of ruining filesystems, be it FAT32 or NTFS.... and it is really good at it.

Norton GoBack: Basically a system restore program with optional boot capability... however by enabling that, it writes itself into the bootsector without telling you and it "reserves" diskspace for the backups.... impossible to get it uninstalled once it has done that... manually removing it from the registry is a bad idea.... last time I tried, I had the unfortunate luck to have to do a low level format as my harddrive would not be formatted again normally.

Norton WinDoctor: Definitely a Doctor with delusions of slow euthanasia.... it "finds" all Windows-"problems"... the worst thing one can do is to trust the program to fix them.... especially when it comes to invalid registry entries, it "fixes" them by re-referring them to that what the program deems to be closest to the original one... and that can fuck you up badly

The other programs are pretty useless anyway apart from taking system resources.... since switching to other products, my system boots up twice as fast and BF2 loads them games twice as fast.... (since the data is not scrutinized anymore even if the program is marked as safe).

Oh and by the way: If anyone thinks that it is a good idea to switch of the personal firewall and AV protection during gaming.... why don't you uninstall those programs anyway?
mcminty
Moderating your content for the Australian Govt.
+879|7175|Sydney, Australia

BEE_Grim_Reaper wrote:

As for Internet Security...
I hate that fucking thing. For weeks I have had this pop-up from internet security. Its this stupid redundant thing created because I also have windows security centre.

Nothing like being in the middle of capping the last flag, black screen... nortan security alert... you finally get back into game and your team lost.
BEE_Grim_Reaper
Member
+15|7161|Germany
Yup... know what you mean... however... even with service pack 2, the windows internal firewall (aka Windows Security Center) is still crap.
=ST6=SewerMaster
AK Whore
+152|7250|Barrington, RI

BEE_Grim_Reaper wrote:

I definitely have very bad experiences with Norton System Works... in both Versions 2004 and 2006.... 2004 Speed Disk messed up 2 partitions including the system partition so I had them to reformat completely and with 2006... well... suffice it to say that the Norton GoBack cannot really be uninstalled and if you try too hard, it results not only in complete filesystem corruption but in the neccessity to do a low level format as well...

As for Internet Security... after switching to other products, my computer boots up faster, has more available system resources and much less trouble...
I had the exact same problem with go-back so i just didn't bother installing it after the re-format.

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