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2008-12-11 14:17:41

#126

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6888

But MOAB, seriously...

You're judging the popularity of Shakespeare on movie adaptations.

I actually give-up.

Sure, blokes down the pub may not debate Shakespeare... but the awareness of him as a writer, and of his works, is 100x more prolific than Cameron's. As KEN also said, much of mainstream media, movies and writing derives directly from Shakespeare, or adapts his stories and themes. It doesn't matter whether you write essays on it or not, you're implicitly aware of Shakespeare's works whether you recognise it always or not... i.e. he is ingrained within Western culture. Cameron is far from. So who is more successful? Clinging to the box office intake of Shakespeare movie adaptations is a pretty desperate and pointless argument.

MOABisthewashpot wrote:
assert you elitist attitude toward people

Has nothing to do with it. You could ask a Mexican immigrant gardener with zero English-reading skills the same question and they'd slap you in the face for your egregrious stupidity. Your average 'doesn't care for Shakespeare, hates reading, who is Hamlet?' guy in the street would still acknowledge that Shakespeare is more important, more popular and more entertaining (on an objective comparison) than Cameron. I'm not sure whether you're actually arguing a real contendable point or whether you're just doing this for fun:

MOAB wrote:
Hell if I know, I'm just taking on a snobby dude.

If that's the case, give up. You're just making yourself look like an idiot.

Last edited by Uzique (2008-12-11 14:17:54)

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2008-12-11 14:36:14

#127

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6640|Escea

Uzique wrote:
But MOAB, seriously...

You're judging the popularity of Shakespeare on movie adaptations.

I actually give-up.

Sure, blokes down the pub may not debate Shakespeare... but the awareness of him as a writer, and of his works, is 100x more prolific than Cameron's. As KEN also said, much of mainstream media, movies and writing derives directly from Shakespeare, or adapts his stories and themes. It doesn't matter whether you write essays on it or not, you're implicitly aware of Shakespeare's works whether you recognise it always or not... i.e. he is ingrained within Western culture. Cameron is far from. So who is more successful? Clinging to the box office intake of Shakespeare movie adaptations is a pretty desperate and pointless argument.

MOABisthewashpot wrote:
assert you elitist attitude toward people
Has nothing to do with it. You could ask a Mexican immigrant gardener with zero English-reading skills the same question and they'd slap you in the face for your egregrious stupidity. Your average 'doesn't care for Shakespeare, hates reading, who is Hamlet?' guy in the street would still acknowledge that Shakespeare is more important, more popular and more entertaining (on an objective comparison) than Cameron. I'm not sure whether you're actually arguing a real contendable point or whether you're just doing this for fun:

MOAB wrote:
Hell if I know, I'm just taking on a snobby dude.
If that's the case, give up. You're just making yourself look like an idiot.

I've said Shakespeare was a talented guy, I know that. But his work doesn't appeal to me, people will have taken influences yes, but they are in my opinion, improved. Everybody knows Shakespeare yes, but I'm more likely to walk into somebody discussing the newest blockbuster than something he's done.

Uzique wrote:
I'm not sure whether you're actually arguing a real contendable point or whether you're just doing this for fun:

Eh half and half.

You like Shakespeares works, I don't. You have deeper understanding of his works, I don't, but please do not label me a dumbass because I don't delve deeper into his material. I'm simply pointing out that today the majority of people from any country, aware of Shakespeare or not, would pick a new blockbuster than an adaptation of Shakespeares work. Different tastes mate.

2008-12-11 14:44:31

#128

deeznutz1245: Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.; +483|6910|Connecticut

So did Shakespeare write the new testament or not?

Malloy must go

2008-12-11 14:56:53

#129

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6946|Global Command

Shakespeare, yeah verily hath derailed this tale.

2008-12-11 15:00:50

#130

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,991|7049|949

deeznutz1245 wrote:
So did Shakespeare write the new testament or not?

No. Next question.

2008-12-11 15:11:04

#131

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6640|Escea

ATG wrote:
Shakespeare, yeah verily hath derailed this tale.

Indeed'th he hath

Back to the original subject then?

2008-12-11 15:22:00

#132

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,991|7049|949

M.O.A.B wrote:
ATG wrote:
Shakespeare, yeah verily hath derailed this tale.
Indeed'th he hath

Back to the original subject then?

Typical old folk talk about how times were so much better back then and the new generation doesn't know the value of hard work, no respect, blah blah blah.

Livin' in the past, man.

2008-12-11 15:23:03

#133

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7088|UK

dude he's about 18

Last edited by m3thod (2008-12-11 15:24:36)

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2008-12-11 15:23:50

#134

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6640|Escea

m3thod wrote:
dude he's about 15

That hurt m3th

I'm 18

2008-12-11 15:27:24

#135

RoosterCantrell: Goodbye :); +399|6897|Somewhere else

ATG wrote:
Shakespeare, yeah verily hath derailed this tale.

heh, as I read the first few posts of this thread, I actually though "wonder how bad the last page has derailed to." For this thread particularly, the irony is especially delicious.

2008-12-11 15:27:45

#136

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6888

M.O.A.B wrote:
m3thod wrote:
dude he's about 15
That hurt m3th

I'm 18

And you think Titanic and Romeo & Juliet were the greatest things evar?

I pity you

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2008-12-11 15:41:41

#137

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6822|North Carolina

Concerning Shakespeare and James Cameron....

It's apples to oranges. You really can't compare the two because their media of choice are quite different.

I wouldn't put too much stock into what happens to be the most popular, but the past is often glorified far more than its worth.

Some historians believe that some of Shakespeare's work was actually written by a sister or a female companion -- we'll probably never know for sure.

On the other hand, Cameron is often viewed as an extremely overrated director.

While influence is typically used as a yardstick for measuring quality in art forms, it's not the end-all be-all definition of it. By the same token, neither is popularity. Ultimately, it's a matter of opinion.

And besides... who's to say what Cameron would've written back in Shakespeare's day if he had lived back then? Who's to say what kind of director Shakespeare could have been if he lived in our time?

2008-12-11 15:46:53

#138

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6888

.... wrote:
TL;DR - Don't compare a genius playwright/poet to an artisan director and film-maker. You'd have more of a point comparing Tiger Woods to Jenna Jameson.

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2008-12-11 15:57:27

#139

Parker: isteal; +1,452|6811|The Gem Saloon

you know, in all the directions i saw this thread going, i have to be honest.....i did NOT see it breaking down into a debate about fucking Shakespeare.

sometimes you guys freak me out.
srsly.

2008-12-11 15:59:06

#140

Switch: Knee Deep In Clunge; +489|6880|Tyne & Wear, England

Parker wrote:
you know, in all the directions i saw this thread going, i have to be honest.....i did NOT see it breaking down into a debate about fucking Shakespeare.

sometimes you guys freak me out.
srsly.

I must say it is a new one.

Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known.

2008-12-11 15:59:30

#141

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7088|UK

Uzique wrote:
.... wrote:
TL;DR - Don't compare a genius playwright/poet to an artisan director and film-maker. You'd have more of a point comparing Tiger Woods to Jenna Jameson.

both know how to stroke a long wood.

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2008-12-11 16:00:49

#142

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6888

m3thod wrote:
Uzique wrote:
.... wrote:
TL;DR - Don't compare a genius playwright/poet to an artisan director and film-maker. You'd have more of a point comparing Tiger Woods to Jenna Jameson.
both know how to stroke a long wood.

Hahaha

Parker just wait for my next little number: I intend to speak in defense of Christopher Marlowe in a thread about California bushfires. Wait fer it.

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2008-12-11 16:35:51

#143

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7066

Parker wrote:
you know, in all the directions i saw this thread going, i have to be honest.....i did NOT see it breaking down into a debate about fucking Shakespeare.

sometimes you guys freak me out.
srsly.

I rather enjoyed it tbh, it's better than a predicatable tangent like Iraq.

<nextTangent>

Remember those debates we used to have about Iraq, and how we know for a fact that US soldiers rape and murder small Iraqi children?

</nextTangent>

2008-12-11 22:29:23

#144

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,822|6523|eXtreme to the maX

MOAB wrote:
Cameron's movies are
A) Far more popular than Shakespeares
B) Made more money than Shakespeares
C) Much better stories than Shakespeares
D) Friggin understandable without the need for a book to translate
E) See A

Uzique said it best.

Uzique wrote:
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

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I mean really.

I say MIKE Myers makes better films than Akira Kurosawa because:
a) They're in colour, so its easier to see what is going on
b) They're easier to understand because they are in English, not Japanese
c) They're about modern stuff, not stupid ancient history
d) You don't have to think while watching them - easier on the brain and more time for shovelling pocorn

While entertaining James Cameron's films have no cinematic or cultural value that I can think of

This must be the most unexpected derail in BF2S history

While we're on the subject, if anyone needs a brain stretch try reading 'Robinson Cruesoe' in the original english.

Edit: Mike Myers, not Greg Myers - oops

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2008-12-11 22:53:56)

Fuck Israel

2008-12-11 22:34:30

#145

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6570|what

Dilbert_X wrote:
I say Greg Myers makes better films than Akira Kurosawa because:
a) They're in colour, so its easier to see what is going on
b) They're easier to understand because they are in English, not Japanese
c) They're about modern stuff, not stupid ancient history
d) You don't have to think while watching them - easier on the brain and more time for shovelling pocorn

Your wrong on all counts.

a) Akira Kurosawa's epic movie RAN is filmed in colour and is an adaptation of King Lear.
b) Subtitles.
c) This ancient history is not stupid.
d) Popcorn movies are boring because they don't make you think.
e) Akira Kurosawa has produced movies like 7 Samurai. What has Greg Myers ever done? That's right. Nothing.

2008-12-11 22:37:32

#146

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7018|132 and Bush

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
M.O.A.B wrote:
ATG wrote:
Shakespeare, yeah verily hath derailed this tale.
Indeed'th he hath

Back to the original subject then?
Typical old folk talk about how times were so much better back then and the new generation doesn't know the value of hard work, no respect, blah blah blah.

Livin' in the past, man.

Go get a haircut and a job.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2008-12-12 00:43:59

#147

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|7082|NT, like Mick Dundee

TheAussieReaper wrote:
Dilbert_X wrote:
I say Greg Myers makes better films than Akira Kurosawa because:
a) They're in colour, so its easier to see what is going on
b) They're easier to understand because they are in English, not Japanese
c) They're about modern stuff, not stupid ancient history
d) You don't have to think while watching them - easier on the brain and more time for shovelling pocorn
Your wrong on all counts.

a) Akira Kurosawa's epic movie RAN is filmed in colour and is an adaptation of King Lear.
b) Subtitles.
c) This ancient history is not stupid.
d) Popcorn movies are boring because they don't make you think.
e) Akira Kurosawa has produced movies like 7 Samurai. What has Greg Myers ever done? That's right. Nothing.

7 Samurai was one of the most entertaining things I ever watched.

Lastly: For proof that Shakespear's work is still fucking popular these days I point toooooooo....

Romeo + Juliet (Baz Luhrman's one).

10 Things I hate about you.

The recent Hamlet that has Julia Styles in it.

The ongoing success of the globe theatre in London.

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2008-12-12 03:55:21

#148

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,822|6523|eXtreme to the maX

Aussiereaper wrote:
) Akira Kurosawa's epic movie RAN is filmed in colour and is an adaptation of King Lear.
b) Subtitles.
c) This ancient history is not stupid.
d) Popcorn movies are boring because they don't make you think.
e) Akira Kurosawa has produced movies like 7 Samurai. What has Greg Myers ever done? That's right. Nothing.

Yeah but compare Kurosawa's box office takings with Austin Powers.
QED
And I don't remember a single fart joke in Jojimbo
QEDD

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2008-12-12 04:01:37)

Fuck Israel

2008-12-12 04:03:19

#149

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6640|Escea

Uzique wrote:
M.O.A.B wrote:
m3thod wrote:
dude he's about 15
That hurt m3th

I'm 18
And you think Titanic and Romeo & Juliet were the greatest things evar?

I pity you

Wat? No way, My favourite movies are things like Man on Fire, The Dark Knight and Full Metal Jacket.

2008-12-12 04:06:06

#150

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,822|6523|eXtreme to the maX

MOAB wrote:
Wat? No way, My favourite movies are things like Man on Fire, The Dark Knight and Full Metal Jacket.

So basically slightly off the centre of the Hollywood mainstream, just subversive enough for you to think its cool.
GG

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