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I'd love to hear your suggestion on how to have dealt with the situation better

max wrote:

I'd love to hear your suggestion on how to have dealt with the situation better

Stood up against a regime that was committing genocide and human rights abuses?

You're country is only here because others did the above. Infact you are only here because of the above. Or maybe you would be here as a German. That's an answer nobody knows except Santa.

max wrote:

that anything would be what? Declare war? It's easy to do something when you're a super power. When the other side can afford more casualties than you have people things get a little more difficult ...

If you read up on the war you'll see a lot more than the power 4 were involved. The French resistance fought ffs, and they didn't even have an organised military.

max wrote:

Only fight the battles you can win

thats the spirit

jord wrote:

max wrote:

They didn't have a country to defend. Think about it that way: if we had declared war and thus lost in a couple of days all the jews and other hated races would have been fucked while changing absolutely nothing. Only fight the battles you can win

You wouldn't lose in a couple of days since you wouldn't be fighting by yourself but be put with a larger force as the rest of the allies were. Adding 2% more troops to a battle then was a big difference, we would have lost less people if your country stepped up and fought for itself rather than hiding behind us.

Hitler wouldn't have respected your "neutrality" if he won. He would've taken over Europe, snowy countries and all...

great guys they were....

"The Swiss turned away 30,000 Jewish refugees from Switzerland during the war, three times as many as had been assumed up until that point."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/nazis/tv/

"Our little lifeboat is full". We harbored more Jews than any other country.

I'd still love to hear suggestions that would have saved more people.

Last edited by max (2008-12-26 20:24:19)

All right, let's play that scenario

It's 1940, we join the allies, who are currently getting their asses kicked. We get invaded. We get defeated. The allies can't do anything about it. They aren't able to hold anything in mainland Europe. We're now part of Germany, thus contributing to their war effort. The Jews in Switzerland get sent of to some concentration camp. Now what?

max wrote:

All right, let's play that scenario

It's 1940, we join the allies, who are currently getting their asses kicked. We get invaded. We get defeated. The allies can't do anything about it. They aren't able to hold anything in mainland Europe. We're now part of Germany, thus contributing to their war effort. The Jews in Switzerland get sent of to some concentration camp. Now what?

The national defence of your country would have slowed down the Nazi's progress, as well as took thousands of soldiers off them. Once invaded after a few weeks of defending yourself you organise a resistance and attack the Nazi's from within their held territory as the French did, causing disruption to supply lines and diverting their forces from the Western front. Once again, much the same as the French

And look where they are today, a strong economy and decent military, and although they get ripped on about wars they can still defend themselves in arguments because they took a stand.

max wrote:

history seems to have proved me right. Germany never had any real plans for invading us. Why would they? We don't have any valuable resources and aren't that interesting geographically either

Assuming Germany defeating the European allies why wouldn't they take land off a country that isn't even going to put up a fight? They could use whatever little resources and man power you have to stage an attack on the US.

max wrote:

history seems to have proved me right. Germany never had any real plans for invading us.

no

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tannenbaum

max wrote:

No real plan then. He though we weren't worth it

no max, it was a real plan.

max wrote:

A real plan that got shot down and was unlikely to ever be put in effect.

If you search long enough you can find an invasion scenario for every country.

true.  but isnt odd how the swiss had serious trade deals with hitler?

jord wrote:

Fought for what's right? What are you on about... Soldiers don't decide what to fight for, where, or when. Don't tell me to learn to distinguish with some vague point coupled with random examples. They are great heroes, yes. Especially the Falklands, since most of the British there were elite forces and are in contacts twice as much as anyone else.


"In war offensive is bad"

Doesn't make sense, I understand English isn't your first langauge so I won't rip you for it, just try and explain that one a bit better.

Yeah sorry im a bit drunk and it's 6 in the morning.

The fact that soldiers don't decide any of those things is no excuse. It's a factor to be considered before they enlist - that's assuming they do this for a job and they're not drafted of course.

As for the Falklands, it was a war about some bloody islands a million miles away from yours - where clearly you had no business being. That's why I used this example. I don't care if they were elite forces. Military skill doesn't make them heroes. Heroes were the Greeks in the Persian Wars, when they defended their country from the invading Persians. On the other hand, I can't call the Greeks heroes for conquering half of Asia under Alexander. As much as I admire the achievement from a military point of view, most of the land clearly didn't belong to them. That's the difference I'm talking about. Same goes for the Russians in Afghanistan, Americans in Vietnam etc. You can't expect to make expansive wars and be called a hero as well.