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Mutantsteak wrote:

It was a nice trick but that's it. It actually seemed very unnecessary and reckless. Didn't he run TOWARDS the grenade?

Unclear video is unclear
There's no time to think you just do anything that happens to pop up in your mind.

unnecessary? it definately made the fight come to a close really quickly, and it was a very effective way of avoiding getting blown to pieces.
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jord
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+2,382|7122|The North, beyond the wall.

Mutantsteak wrote:

jord wrote:

Mutantsteak wrote:

Thats definitely not medal worthy but you know hes getting some ass with that story
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Give me a scenario in which a medal is earned please.

(if you're not being sarcastic)
It was a nice trick but that's it. It actually seemed very unnecessary and reckless. Didn't he run TOWARDS the grenade?

Unclear video is unclear
Mmmm well maybe he was out of ammo... Either way he went above and beyond the call of duty, thus, medal time.

Oh and you may want to start criticising the American system of giving out medals. US pilots used to get a "Combat zone"award for flying over Northern Ireland in the troubles.  Lol.
Mutantbear
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+1,431|6408|London, England

dayarath wrote:

Mutantsteak wrote:

It was a nice trick but that's it. It actually seemed very unnecessary and reckless. Didn't he run TOWARDS the grenade?

Unclear video is unclear
There's no time to think you just do anything that happens to pop up in your mind.

unnecessary? it definately made the fight come to a close really quickly, and it was a very effective way of avoiding getting blown to pieces.
I don't want to argue about a video where I can barely see whats going on. Give him the medal if he was protecting his comrade but other than that I bet he could have found a rock to hide behind, it looked like he was inched from the explosion im surprised none of the shrapnel got him
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Mutantsteak wrote:

I don't want to argue about a video where I can barely see whats going on. Give him the medal if he was protecting his comrade but other than that I bet he could have found a rock to hide behind, it looked like he was inched from the explosion im surprised none of the shrapnel got him
a rock so large a human could hide behind it? you don't see that often, they were talking about bushes around the area- probably not a place in which you would find a rock so quickly you could escape in the ~3 seconds you have till explosion.

he was protecting his own ass, and did a damn fine job at that.
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Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7210|UK
Im pretty certain you guys are wrong about what happened. Heres an equally likely scenario. He shoots Hamas guy, see the single shot he fires. Hamas member perhaps gets a gun jam or drops his weapon. Israeli soldier moves in to restrain and capture him. Hamas member pulls pin on grenade to suicide. Boom.

Coz seriously, why would the Hamas member throw the grenade at his feet and why would the soldier close on a grenade, moving from relatively safe distance to near suicidal range.
Surgeons
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Vilham wrote:

Coz seriously, why would the Hamas member throw the grenade at his feet and why would the soldier close on a grenade, moving from relatively safe distance to near suicidal range.
Anything could've happened, he got shot in the hand by one of the other IDF guys, the grenade hit the soldier running at him and bounced back towards them, he dropped it, etc
Vilham
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+580|7210|UK

The Sheriff wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Coz seriously, why would the Hamas member throw the grenade at his feet and why would the soldier close on a grenade, moving from relatively safe distance to near suicidal range.
Anything could've happened, he got shot in the hand by one of the other IDF guys, the grenade hit the soldier running at him and bounced back towards them, he dropped it, etc
But that still doesn't address the fact that a trained soldier closed in on a grenade when there was no need. Then you need to consider if the grenade is at floor height the soldier more than likely would have suffered terrible shrapnel wounds to his legs unless that is one fat hamas dude with elephant legs.

Lets just say I don't accept the story the news agency has given, because more than likely they no nothing more than anyone else.

Last edited by Vilham (2009-01-14 12:18:55)

M.O.A.B
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There's a chance he didn't spot the grenade until he was closer. He advanced on the Hamas member, the member produced the grenade but in the panic of trying to use it, he pulled the pin and dropped it. During the Iranian Embassy siege one of the terrorists was holding a grenade that went unoticed until he dropped it on the way out.
The IDF solider only has a few seconds to take action so he uses the nearest piece of cover, the Hamas member. Grenades can inflict damage up to tens of meters, so moving away might not have been enough. He also could have pushed him down toward it. A body can sometimes take the brunt of a grenade explosion, there's been a few cases of it, like that Royal Marine who lay on the actual grenade and survived the blast.

Last edited by M.O.A.B (2009-01-14 12:34:03)

zeidmaan
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I didnt see the other guy fire a gun. So maybe the first one had an AK or something, and the second one was in charge of grenades

So than maybe after the first explosion the IDF guy tried to rush the Hamas guy before he can throw another grenade. Probably to try to capture him. He didnt quite make it so he improvised. He was too close to run away so he could have either picked it up and throw it away or throw the Hamas guy on it. I think he made the right and safer choice.
henno13
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+230|6792|Belfast
holy shit

that was awesome
nice reactions and skills

are they IDF or Mossad?
the anchor used the term 'officer' not 'soldier'
in Mossad i believe that they refer to their operatives as Officers

DonFck wrote:

Hamas originally a political organisation, is listed as a terrorist organisation, but has been following the ceasefire of 2005, and hasn't been responsible for suicide bombings since 2004.

So when does one stop being a terrorist? (philosophical question) As they're "fighting for their own land", can they in their current action be called terrorists?

Long story short, I used a too strong word when saying "resent", but I do think they should rather be referred to as "soldiers of Hamas". Talking about terrorists about everyone with a rag on their head is just like calling all of us "westeners" infidel scum. Hamas are responsible for a lot of horrific terrorist act that can't be forgiven, that I can't deny.

So above statement corrected, I'll rephrase my comment to: I think calling them terrorists is unnecessary and translates in my eyes as propaganda.

..which it of course is, it's a war for crying out loud. The other side is doing the exact same thing.

Fact of the matter is, that not once while watching recent events in the (neutral) news here in Finland, has Hamas been referred to as terrorists.
i dont want to get into an argument here
but hamas do luanch missles  at israel and send suicide bombers to israel
by their terms and in their own eyes, they are terrorists

Last edited by henno13 (2009-01-14 14:03:25)

Poseidon
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+3,253|6981|Long Island, New York
HAHAHA. That's fucking great.

And yes, I do believe it was someone from Mossad.
henno13
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+230|6792|Belfast

Poseidon wrote:

And yes, I do believe it was someone from Mossad.


Mossad are complete badasses
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6667|Escea

henno13 wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

And yes, I do believe it was someone from Mossad.


Mossad are complete badasses
tbh. They invented Krav Maga

Last edited by M.O.A.B (2009-01-14 14:14:26)

Stimey
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What a fucking Hard Ass.
Dudeliest dude ever tbh.
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m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7115|UK
Read more on Krav Maga, Mossad adopted it.

Secondly, i would take the 'story' with a pinch of salt.  I had no idea wtf was going on in that video never mind the story that comes with it.  Remember the crap we were told about Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch?
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M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6667|Escea

m3thod wrote:

Read more on Krav Maga, Mossad adopted it.
Meh, they still own when it comes to busting up bad guys.

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