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Screw this .68cal rubbish, get into RAM/RAP4 instead   Its so much cooler!

h4hagen wrote:

Pubic wrote:

Screw this .68cal rubbish, get into RAM/RAP4 instead   Its so much cooler!

I guess, but most fields want you to by paint there or charge you for bringing your own : /

a number of places have banned the rap4 guns here as well... can't get a straight answer when i ask why

Don't waste your money buying an A5 and C02 and all the milsim works. Save yourself money and frustration and buy yourself a quality marker, trust me you will regret owning a mechanical marker when you look back in a few years. I've been in this sport for 6 years now, played everything from Woodsball, Scenario, NPPL, PSP, SPPL, and any other league you can think of. Take function and reliability over "milsim" looks. I've shot all of the guns listed in this thread and owned a few of them, I've got the experience to back what i say up.

One of the best starter guns out there right now is a Proto SLG;
http://www.actionvillage.com/010-393-0044

For your tank, skip the C02 it's hard on your gun and the bump to Compressed air is quite cheap;
http://www.ansgear.com/Cyclone_47_3000_ … khp473.htm

As far as the hopper goes, it's going to be best to save a bit of money up and buy a velocity jr. fabulous loader that will last you forever;
http://www.ansgear.com/ViewLoader_Vloci … rblack.htm

If you're short on money you can always buy an egg for the hopper, but it's going to be a lot better in the long run to get the jr;
http://www.ansgear.com/ViewLoader_Evlut … vl3blk.htm

This will be a great starting package for you for starting, don't waste your money and buy a bunch of cheap stuff, save your money a little longer and buy better gear that's going to last you a lot longer. If you have any questions or want any other advice feel free to PM about anything paintball related.

Last edited by GorillaKing798 (2009-01-19 16:48:19)

you all realize that this is a 6month old thread right?

GorillaKing798 wrote:

Don't waste your money buying an A5 and C02 and all the milsim works. Save yourself money and frustration and buy yourself a quality marker, trust me you will regret owning a mechanical marker when you look back in a few years. I've been in this sport for 6 years now, played everything from Woodsball, Scenario, NPPL, PSP, SPPL, and any other league you can think of. Take function and reliability over "milsim" looks. I've shot all of the guns listed in this thread and owned a few of them, I've got the experience to back what i say up.

My A5 is dead-on accurate (It pretty much rivals my Phantom), and the only 'upgrades' I have on it are a JJ barrel, a stock, and a NcStar dot.

Buying an A5 doesn't automatically mean you have to make it Milsim.

A5s are great markers.

Last edited by DefCon-17 (2009-01-19 17:59:40)

I don't know about pumps, I like to be able to walk shots in on targets (particularly @ woodsball longer ranges) But auto you just burn paint and air. Not to say you have to use auto if you get an electric, can always just make sure you have true semi. As far as A5's. very solid markers and shoot great as well.

Are you talking about auto as in Spyder auto, or do you mean ramping..?

Because auto is just a gimmick. You can shoot faster with a semi.

But I definitely recommend trying pump play. It forces you to improve at a much quicker rate.
And if you play pump for a while, then go semi, it's like "Holy shit. "

When I play with my A5, I usually use around 500 rounds per day.
With my Phantom (pump), it's more around 100.

Etek 2 ftw..... I would check the "used" market for bargains...instead of getting rentalclass guns that really suck...

[HOF]Mercenary wrote:

This. If you can at all afford it, your going to be way better off getting a decent marker. The proto slg (09) will demolish any tippman (or practically any other gun under $300) in range, rof, accuracy, consistency, weight, air consumption etc.

Don't waste your time with a tippman or spyder. They're not horrible, but its definitely worth the extra money for the slg.

Lol @ range. Do you believe a longer barrel means more accuracy too?

But seriously, to defend Tippmann: My A5 is light as fuck (unless your a little twig or something) with a remote line. Have fun trying to shoot a "speedball style" marker with a remote.
RoF is worthless, IMO. I'd rather take a few shots to get one guy, instead of 20.
As I said, my A5 is pretty much as accurate as you can get regarding paintball.
Consistency...meh. It's a relatively new gun, so I still gotta break it in.

..and also, personally, I don't like the feel of a marker that uses a lower airtank as a stock, unless it's as light as my Phantom.
I prefer having the stock in line with the receiver/barrel.

GorillaKing798 wrote:

DefCon-17 wrote:

[HOF]Mercenary wrote:

This. If you can at all afford it, your going to be way better off getting a decent marker. The proto slg (09) will demolish any tippman (or practically any other gun under $300) in range, rof, accuracy, consistency, weight, air consumption etc.

Don't waste your time with a tippman or spyder. They're not horrible, but its definitely worth the extra money for the slg.

Lol @ range. Do you believe a longer barrel means more accuracy too?

But seriously, to defend Tippmann: My A5 is light as fuck (unless your a little twig or something) with a remote line. Have fun trying to shoot a "speedball style" marker with a remote.
RoF is worthless, IMO. I'd rather take a few shots to get one guy, instead of 20.
As I said, my A5 is pretty much as accurate as you can get regarding paintball.
Consistency...meh. It's a relatively new gun, so I still gotta break it in.

..and also, personally, I don't like the feel of a marker that uses a lower airtank as a stock, unless it's as light as my Phantom.
I prefer having the stock in line with the receiver/barrel.

Stocks can be modded onto any gun if you really want one that bad, and remotes are worthless, just another thing that gets caught if your'e runing in the woods

ROF: The SLG will out cycle the tippmann by far however if you prefer to "take a few shots to get one guy, instead of 20" simply put the gun in semi auto and don't pull the trigger as fast, or ramp it up if you like.

Accuracy is not dependent on the gun but rather the paint to bore match, no gun is more accurate than any other
"What barrel is the best for my marker?
As far as accuracy is concerned the marker does not affect accuracy. All the marker is in the equation is basically an on/off valve that provides energy to allow the paintball to move. I know that everyone says that HP or LP markers are more accurate than each other, but this is not true. We did not test this theory with this test, but it has been a heavily debated topic in the past, and many highly respected people in the industry have proven that the marker has nothing to do with accuracy."

Weight:
Tippmann A5 Weight: 3.5 lbs. (without tank/paint)
Proto SLG Weight: 2lbs 2oz (without tank/paint)

Efficiency:
Tippmann A5: ~1000 shots on a 68/45
Proto SLG: ~1500 shots on a 68/45

Stocks are all personal preference, just extra weight on the gun IMO and the change from a stock to a tank is not a difficult one, after about a day of play you should be used to it.

Tank weighs a shitload more than a stock though.
Plus my local field is kind of the speedball version of woodsball: The most played in areas have no branches, just hills and tire bunkers, so my remote coil never gets snagged.

Regarding efficiency: I never play in long scenario games because it seems like those only attract complete morons, so I only shoot off about...50-150 rounds a game.
Air is free at my local field, so I don't have to worry about that either.

I've noticed one thing though.
Whenever people talk about accuracy, the ignore a huge factor when it comes to accuracy: Your own skill and shooting platform stability.
I like the "stock in line with barrel" set-up, because it doesn't wobble around like having the barrel higher than the tank acting as a stock. (Or just a stock, in the case of m T-stock equipped Phantom)

Tank weighs a shitload more than a stock though.
Plus my local field is kind of the speedball version of woodsball: The most played in areas have no branches, just hills and tire bunkers, so my remote coil never gets snagged.

Regarding efficiency: I never play in long scenario games because it seems like those only attract complete morons, so I only shoot off about...50-150 rounds a game.
Air is free at my local field, so I don't have to worry about that either.

I've noticed one thing though.
Whenever people talk about accuracy, the ignore a huge factor when it comes to accuracy: Your own skill and shooting platform stability.
I like the "stock in line with barrel" set-up, because it doesn't wobble around like having the barrel higher than the tank acting as a stock. (Or just a stock, in the case of m T-stock equipped Phantom)

Not really, a 45/45 tank is the same if not less weight than a stock, and you still are carrying the weight of the tank, even though it is on your back.

And what about filling air then? you have to take your entire set up off the air it up, not to mention you can't switch hands which is an essentail part to being good at thios sport.

What about back players who shoot 8 pods a game? Typically I shoot 2-3 pods a game, and I can play 3 back to back games and not wory about my air.

You like that set up fine, but how many pro players do you see using that set-up? If it's that advantageous why do such a small amount of people even in the SPPL, a woodsball league use stocks? And for that matter, only a few people still use tippmanns and other mechanical markers. The technology in guns has evolved so why not use it? I'll take a smaller, lighter, more reliable gun over a tippmann any day. there are 2 moving parts in an SLG there are at least 5 in a Tippmann. What is going to break more often? 2 or 5?

Overall maintenance is going to be a lot easier on an SLG as well, pull the bolt out of the back with one allen key reapply lube and you're done. Tippmanns strip it down once every other month or so check your springs, bolt assembley, cyclone assembly, which all can break. You can throw your tippmann in a puddle and it will still work a lot of people say, well great most guns are water resistant now anyway, and how often am I going swimming with my gun?

You can deny it all you want, but my claims are backed by numbers and experience with a myriad of guns. Claim personal preference all you want I'm not going to try and convert you. I say this all unbiased, I've played every format and even owned a milsim tippmann back in the day but I don't own currently either of the guns here. Hell, I'm telling someone to buy a Proto marker when I'm sponsored by Planet Eclipse and own an Ego. It doesn't get much more cut and dry.