The most aggrivating thing about this game is the "special" people that automatically tk punish. With no ryme nor reason they mindlessly push the page down and go on their merry way to where ever they go. In a big firefight sometimes sh..t happens. ANYONE running in front of armor and then punishing should be banned or at least drawn and quartered. I wish EA would do something although I don't know what.
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A) What does this have to do with this website?
B) How exactly can that be "fixed"? How is the game to know whether the TK was accidental or not? I take it you never played BF42/BFV where all TKs counted against you rather than just the ones people decided to punish you for.
B) How exactly can that be "fixed"? How is the game to know whether the TK was accidental or not? I take it you never played BF42/BFV where all TKs counted against you rather than just the ones people decided to punish you for.
If you know coding send them a code on what to fix it would save them a lot of time and you could be happy camper, but on the other hand, I doubt they would accept it ...lol
I suspect he thinks this in an official EA/DICE website.....
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Some TK punishes are automatic. I've had instances when I was killed and I didn't get to choose whether to punish or not. It just punished the player automatically. I think it's because of the way he killed me.
I'm sorry to upset,
I almost always punish
You see, you have a responsibility to account for your rounds
If I get TKed and have to respawn because you are in
Points lust mode, or have point induced tunnel vision, you are getting punished
I don't care about your points
You don't want to get punished don't TK period
I wish I could do more to you but I can't
I have as much right to enjoy the game as you
So if you don't want to get punished point your stuff somewhere other than at me
IF you think I got in your way, thats BS
if your not shifting your fire as someone assaults a target you get punished
if you run over someone with a vehicle, then you get punished, drive on the damn road
the opposite is also true, don;t run down the damn road either
I almost always punish
You see, you have a responsibility to account for your rounds
If I get TKed and have to respawn because you are in
Points lust mode, or have point induced tunnel vision, you are getting punished
I don't care about your points
You don't want to get punished don't TK period
I wish I could do more to you but I can't
I have as much right to enjoy the game as you
So if you don't want to get punished point your stuff somewhere other than at me
IF you think I got in your way, thats BS
if your not shifting your fire as someone assaults a target you get punished
if you run over someone with a vehicle, then you get punished, drive on the damn road
the opposite is also true, don;t run down the damn road either
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So what you're saying, is that if there was an accidental team kill, and that person responsible apologised for the mistake, you'd still punish. If so, then mate you need to relax. Honest mistakes do happen and guess what you make them also.
As for vehicles, you have to go off-roading sometimes. Don't even bother telling me that you've never gone off the road. On several occasions I've found myself near a tank and the tank just couldn't see me because of it's blind spots, he moved I got pan caked. Is it his/her fault? No it isn't, so why should I punish someone for an innocent mistake.
Not everyone is a jackass Thumper, and not everyone is out there to "get you." I was playing Karkand last night, and someone on my team got the tank, I got in the gunner's seat, and off we went. Few seconds later we needed repairs, he was an engineer and I told him to get out and repair and not to worry about me stealing the tank. He wouldn't believe me, so someone else had to come and repair.
Anyways, our tank goes kaboom, we spawn and I get the tank. I ask him if he'd like to drive, he said yes, and I obliged. For the rest of the round I happen to be getting the tank first, and I was happy to give the tank to him each time. Why you say, because I wanted to show him that not everyone is an asshole.
I've accidentally tk'd a few times myself, but I'm glad to say that after apologising most people understood.
As for shifting your fire, that's probably the easiest thing to do. I understand that friendly fire is annoying but sometimes it's an unavoidable part. You can't expect to play this kinda game for and hour or so without any incidents.
For people who go after big points, I don't see much wrong with it. If they are doing it without cheating and completely hindering their teams progress...all the power to them. Honestly, if you're gonna punish for big scores then that's kickin below the belt. There are better things to punish over in my humble opinion.
Your modus operandi should be within the parameters of common sense...not I'll punish anyone no matter what.
As for vehicles, you have to go off-roading sometimes. Don't even bother telling me that you've never gone off the road. On several occasions I've found myself near a tank and the tank just couldn't see me because of it's blind spots, he moved I got pan caked. Is it his/her fault? No it isn't, so why should I punish someone for an innocent mistake.
Not everyone is a jackass Thumper, and not everyone is out there to "get you." I was playing Karkand last night, and someone on my team got the tank, I got in the gunner's seat, and off we went. Few seconds later we needed repairs, he was an engineer and I told him to get out and repair and not to worry about me stealing the tank. He wouldn't believe me, so someone else had to come and repair.
Anyways, our tank goes kaboom, we spawn and I get the tank. I ask him if he'd like to drive, he said yes, and I obliged. For the rest of the round I happen to be getting the tank first, and I was happy to give the tank to him each time. Why you say, because I wanted to show him that not everyone is an asshole.
I've accidentally tk'd a few times myself, but I'm glad to say that after apologising most people understood.
As for shifting your fire, that's probably the easiest thing to do. I understand that friendly fire is annoying but sometimes it's an unavoidable part. You can't expect to play this kinda game for and hour or so without any incidents.
For people who go after big points, I don't see much wrong with it. If they are doing it without cheating and completely hindering their teams progress...all the power to them. Honestly, if you're gonna punish for big scores then that's kickin below the belt. There are better things to punish over in my humble opinion.
Your modus operandi should be within the parameters of common sense...not I'll punish anyone no matter what.
Last edited by Herackles (2006-03-18 16:56:31)
My personal favorite aspect of the system is how you can get tagged for a TK when someone else is at fault.
I am in a LAV25 defending a flag and a friendly tank is on fire and drives right infront of my fire. I tag him with a single shot. He dies and I get tagged with TKing the driver and gunner.
I am in a LAV25 defending a flag and a friendly tank is on fire and drives right infront of my fire. I tag him with a single shot. He dies and I get tagged with TKing the driver and gunner.
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Last night I was playing on fushee pass, I was a sniper and was coming down the cliff where the two big wherehouses are and theres 4 big cylinder things joined together..anyway. Someone was on his way up and killed me.
THEN
I had about 7 seconds left to spawn and it says E7IX3R [Team kills] John Doe
John doe punishes E7IX3R for a team kill
I asked how the fuck I team killed him, then someone totally different says "because you punished me"???
THEN
I had about 7 seconds left to spawn and it says E7IX3R [Team kills] John Doe
John doe punishes E7IX3R for a team kill
I asked how the fuck I team killed him, then someone totally different says "because you punished me"???
How the heck is the game going to know whether or not it was an accidental TK?
The only thing they could do is remove the option to punish/change the score loss to -1 for runover TKs.
I wish BF2 did have some incredibly intelligent AI-admin that would instantly ban all of those d***wads that intentionally jump in front of friendly vehicles, though. Just now i was in a mig on zatar. Needed to go for a piss, so i landed at the airfield (MEC) and prayed that i wouldnt get bombed. So, a minute later I'm back, and there are FIVE people standing in front of my jet.
FIVE!!
Good thing I'm an admin there, i banned all of them.
The only thing they could do is remove the option to punish/change the score loss to -1 for runover TKs.
I wish BF2 did have some incredibly intelligent AI-admin that would instantly ban all of those d***wads that intentionally jump in front of friendly vehicles, though. Just now i was in a mig on zatar. Needed to go for a piss, so i landed at the airfield (MEC) and prayed that i wouldnt get bombed. So, a minute later I'm back, and there are FIVE people standing in front of my jet.
FIVE!!
Good thing I'm an admin there, i banned all of them.
I think everyone knows why they have a system to do this if you played 1942 or Nam' where you got the A$$ that kept team killing for there own fun. The system works well with most players but the punish happy people that just do it on principle no matter what the situation.
Take one example my squad was taking the sub pen on Leviathan and me and two of my squad mates where providing cover and diversion fire for the others put some NOOB on our team runs right in the line of fire and TK's me. there was an safer alternate route but they chose the fire and died.
We're human and we make mistakes so punish when its blatant. It's a battle and unlike real life not everyone has the same orders or tactics. I love when you start a round and you see 5 punishes in the rush for a ride.
Maybe the system could change instead of the punish maybe its a rule like 3-5 TK's in a XX" time frame gets you a big fat 10 point deduction and excessive repeated TK's gets your rank lowered and unlock taken say an ratio of 5:1 TK's to kills or team points in a 4 hour segments?
Side note is it just me or do the names for teammates register slower than before.
Take one example my squad was taking the sub pen on Leviathan and me and two of my squad mates where providing cover and diversion fire for the others put some NOOB on our team runs right in the line of fire and TK's me. there was an safer alternate route but they chose the fire and died.
We're human and we make mistakes so punish when its blatant. It's a battle and unlike real life not everyone has the same orders or tactics. I love when you start a round and you see 5 punishes in the rush for a ride.
Maybe the system could change instead of the punish maybe its a rule like 3-5 TK's in a XX" time frame gets you a big fat 10 point deduction and excessive repeated TK's gets your rank lowered and unlock taken say an ratio of 5:1 TK's to kills or team points in a 4 hour segments?
Side note is it just me or do the names for teammates register slower than before.
Lets face it...the unfortunate fact is while there are people who do dumb ass things during the game (eg run infront of a tank...I mean come on it's not like you can''t hear it coming) there will always be people who punish before thinking of why they died.
I personally try to put a bit of consideration into it. Did I get killed because of my own stupidity? If the answer is yes then I forgive.
If I died because some asshole is on a mission to get a vehicle and Tk's me for it, then I have no hesitation in punishing.
I personally try to put a bit of consideration into it. Did I get killed because of my own stupidity? If the answer is yes then I forgive.
If I died because some asshole is on a mission to get a vehicle and Tk's me for it, then I have no hesitation in punishing.
The punish system works better than nothing. If there was no punish and no admin, as some servers are, smacktards will tk as much as they want. Too bad people don't get that it only hurts their team more when they punish. You should only punish someone if you think they need to be removed from the server for smacktardism. Not because you are frustrated at how much you suck and your only relief is page down.
I love the latest TK bug. You get punished for TKs when you have not fired a single shot. This happens to me all the time, once stated -12 because of it. Another one is the server says you have TKed some one when you did not. I have even had times where I was the pilot in a help, a jet shoots/rams us, and I get a tk for it. Then the person punishes me for the TK.
Make the bastards need to fill out an official complaint form ingame to punish. They need to make the negative teamscore recorrect itself if you're forgiven too in my opinion. In the 64 player confusion of the Karkand US rear spawn, I managed to run over 2 teammates (I was crawling waiting for them to run past). Start the round with -10 becuase one counted as a team-damage as well.
I wasn't a happy man.
Friendly engineer comes over and lays mines right under me, was obvious he was going for the teamkills for fun or whatever. I tried to reverse to hope that I wouldn't roll forward into them and might have a chance of getting away. Nope, boom. Then I see that I was punished for a teamkill, I'm wondering "what the hell?". My 2 passengers, and the 2 occupants of the tank next to me were all killed by the mines, but registered as me TK'ing them.
Thanks EA.
I wasn't a happy man.
I was in an APC with a few guys sitting just outside Karkand as US, next to a friendly tank (both Engineers so it was all good).dubbs wrote:
I have even had times where I was the pilot in a help, a jet shoots/rams us, and I get a tk for it. Then the person punishes me for the TK.
Friendly engineer comes over and lays mines right under me, was obvious he was going for the teamkills for fun or whatever. I tried to reverse to hope that I wouldn't roll forward into them and might have a chance of getting away. Nope, boom. Then I see that I was punished for a teamkill, I'm wondering "what the hell?". My 2 passengers, and the 2 occupants of the tank next to me were all killed by the mines, but registered as me TK'ing them.
Thanks EA.
Last edited by junkpi1e (2006-03-20 20:34:41)
@the last part of your , this is what i figured out.junkpi1e wrote:
Make the bastards need to fill out an official complaint form ingame to punish. They need to make the negative teamscore recorrect itself if you're forgiven too in my opinion. In the 64 player confusion of the Karkand US rear spawn, I managed to run over 2 teammates (I was crawling waiting for them to run past). Start the round with -10 becuase one counted as a team-damage as well.
I wasn't a happy man.I was in an APC with a few guys sitting just outside Karkand as US, next to a friendly tank (both Engineers so it was all good).dubbs wrote:
I have even had times where I was the pilot in a help, a jet shoots/rams us, and I get a tk for it. Then the person punishes me for the TK.
Friendly engineer comes over and lays mines right under me, was obvious he was going for the teamkills for fun or whatever. I tried to reverse to hope that I wouldn't roll forward into them and might have a chance of getting away. Nope, boom. Then I see that I was punished for a teamkill, I'm wondering "what the hell?". My 2 passengers, and the 2 occupants of the tank next to me were all killed by the mines, but registered as me TK'ing them.
Thanks EA.
it doesnt matter to who belongs the mine, but who caused the death of ur teammates Example
Noob Engin lays mines everywhere....some team mates are at the mine , you come by and drive over the mine and blam urdeath and 2 of ur teammates now:
*Mine layed by idiot
*YOU detonated the mine by driving over it,
*the blast killed 2 teammates , you caused the explosion so the system says its ur fault.
*voila Noobs get to press the PAge down button
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Pretty much my thoughts exactly.lAgBlRhino wrote:
Lets face it...the unfortunate fact is while there are people who do dumb ass things during the game (eg run infront of a tank...I mean come on it's not like you can''t hear it coming) there will always be people who punish before thinking of why they died.
I personally try to put a bit of consideration into it. Did I get killed because of my own stupidity? If the answer is yes then I forgive.
If I died because some asshole is on a mission to get a vehicle and Tk's me for it, then I have no hesitation in punishing.
I'm sorry that you don't understand, I'll try for a more substantial explanation, since you are on the subject of common senseHerackles wrote:
So what you're saying, is that if there was an accidental team kill, and that person responsible apologised for the mistake, you'd still punish. If so, then mate you need to relax. Honest mistakes do happen and guess what you make them also.
As for vehicles, you have to go off-roading sometimes. Don't even bother telling me that you've never gone off the road. On several occasions I've found myself near a tank and the tank just couldn't see me because of it's blind spots, he moved I got pan caked. Is it his/her fault? No it isn't, so why should I punish someone for an innocent mistake.
Not everyone is a jackass Thumper, and not everyone is out there to "get you." I was playing Karkand last night, and someone on my team got the tank, I got in the gunner's seat, and off we went. Few seconds later we needed repairs, he was an engineer and I told him to get out and repair and not to worry about me stealing the tank. He wouldn't believe me, so someone else had to come and repair.
Anyways, our tank goes kaboom, we spawn and I get the tank. I ask him if he'd like to drive, he said yes, and I obliged. For the rest of the round I happen to be getting the tank first, and I was happy to give the tank to him each time. Why you say, because I wanted to show him that not everyone is an asshole.
I've accidentally tk'd a few times myself, but I'm glad to say that after apologising most people understood.
As for shifting your fire, that's probably the easiest thing to do. I understand that friendly fire is annoying but sometimes it's an unavoidable part. You can't expect to play this kinda game for and hour or so without any incidents.
For people who go after big points, I don't see much wrong with it. If they are doing it without cheating and completely hindering their teams progress...all the power to them. Honestly, if you're gonna punish for big scores then that's kickin below the belt. There are better things to punish over in my humble opinion.
Your modus operandi should be within the parameters of common sense...not I'll punish anyone no matter what.
First person shooter games represent the MOST powerful personal conditioning tool ever invented, short of actual combat. Conditioning to KILL that is. BF2 may be the best one ever.
We as a group have a responsibility to insure that society sanctions anti social behavior. This is even important in a virtual world because the behaviors that are learned there are frequently transmitted to the real world. AKA Colmbine. The group dynamics of the game must include; punishing to the maximum extent possible any behavior that we do not want translated into the real world.
Since everyone knows you can be punished for shooting someone or running over someone with a vehicle. When you do so; you are negligent, it’s not an accident.
These are negligent TKs and must be punished. So that when, in the real world the anti social thought crosses the young skull full of mush, they hesitate or even better stop. These physiological facts are very well documented.
You may be worried about points. I’m worried about confining the killing and fun to the computer and keeping it out of my kids school.
Violence in the media is at epidemic levels in our society because it sells movies and video games. This is translating to behavior in our kids. Common sense says that we should do everything in our power to prevent our children and ourselves from acting out what we do in the virtual world.
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Wow...that's just....Wow...
that's a pretty big stretch to justify being a tard. In the "real world" as you say, if you are in the military and one of your squadmates is prone firing towards a hostile target...and YOU run in front of him knowing full well what is going on...You are the moron who deserves to be punished. In the military, you not only get wounded, you are reprimanded for it as well (assuming you live). Stupidity is not an excuse, it's just stupidity.
Wow...that's just....Wow...
that's a pretty big stretch to justify being a tard. In the "real world" as you say, if you are in the military and one of your squadmates is prone firing towards a hostile target...and YOU run in front of him knowing full well what is going on...You are the moron who deserves to be punished. In the military, you not only get wounded, you are reprimanded for it as well (assuming you live). Stupidity is not an excuse, it's just stupidity.
Man, you are whacked. Take a valium and uninstall this game, because you seem to be far more affected by it than anyone else.Thumper wrote:
I'm sorry that you don't understand, I'll try for a more substantial explanation, since you are on the subject of common senseHerackles wrote:
So what you're saying, is that if there was an accidental team kill, and that person responsible apologised for the mistake, you'd still punish. If so, then mate you need to relax. Honest mistakes do happen and guess what you make them also.
As for vehicles, you have to go off-roading sometimes. Don't even bother telling me that you've never gone off the road. On several occasions I've found myself near a tank and the tank just couldn't see me because of it's blind spots, he moved I got pan caked. Is it his/her fault? No it isn't, so why should I punish someone for an innocent mistake.
Not everyone is a jackass Thumper, and not everyone is out there to "get you." I was playing Karkand last night, and someone on my team got the tank, I got in the gunner's seat, and off we went. Few seconds later we needed repairs, he was an engineer and I told him to get out and repair and not to worry about me stealing the tank. He wouldn't believe me, so someone else had to come and repair.
Anyways, our tank goes kaboom, we spawn and I get the tank. I ask him if he'd like to drive, he said yes, and I obliged. For the rest of the round I happen to be getting the tank first, and I was happy to give the tank to him each time. Why you say, because I wanted to show him that not everyone is an asshole.
I've accidentally tk'd a few times myself, but I'm glad to say that after apologising most people understood.
As for shifting your fire, that's probably the easiest thing to do. I understand that friendly fire is annoying but sometimes it's an unavoidable part. You can't expect to play this kinda game for and hour or so without any incidents.
For people who go after big points, I don't see much wrong with it. If they are doing it without cheating and completely hindering their teams progress...all the power to them. Honestly, if you're gonna punish for big scores then that's kickin below the belt. There are better things to punish over in my humble opinion.
Your modus operandi should be within the parameters of common sense...not I'll punish anyone no matter what.
First person shooter games represent the MOST powerful personal conditioning tool ever invented, short of actual combat. Conditioning to KILL that is. BF2 may be the best one ever.
We as a group have a responsibility to insure that society sanctions anti social behavior. This is even important in a virtual world because the behaviors that are learned there are frequently transmitted to the real world. AKA Colmbine. The group dynamics of the game must include; punishing to the maximum extent possible any behavior that we do not want translated into the real world.
Since everyone knows you can be punished for shooting someone or running over someone with a vehicle. When you do so; you are negligent, it’s not an accident.
These are negligent TKs and must be punished. So that when, in the real world the anti social thought crosses the young skull full of mush, they hesitate or even better stop. These physiological facts are very well documented.
You may be worried about points. I’m worried about confining the killing and fun to the computer and keeping it out of my kids school.
Violence in the media is at epidemic levels in our society because it sells movies and video games. This is translating to behavior in our kids. Common sense says that we should do everything in our power to prevent our children and ourselves from acting out what we do in the virtual world.
If you stand behind a tank that is in the middle of battle, and that tank backs up over you. That is your fault, not the tank driver's.
If you come running out of an alley or other blind spot, into the middle of the road, and get run over, that is your fault.
If you aren't playing as a team, and paying attention to what is going, and get cought in the crossfire, that is your fault.
There are numerous other occassions where the fault of getting killed was the fault of the person that got killed, not the person that did it. I'll tell you this much right now too. If I ever play on a server with you, and you punish me for getting killed due to your own stupidity, I'll spend the rest of the round hunting you down and TKing you until you leave or they kick me.
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