FatherTed
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Never really bought one, but i'll be getting a house next year and i really want to make use of my surround sound, which has always been confined to a pretty small room.

1) What is the point in a soundcard?
2) What's a good manufacturer?
3) Give me some decent ones to consider

ATM i have no price range, but realistically it won't be anything more than £60.

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The point of a Sound card is to improve the audio output quality of your computer. Not to mention those super-cool effects like EAX, the digital-analogue converter of a "real" sound card is miles (and I mean MILES) better than an integrated one. The result is less noise (shhhhhh sound), lower bass and clearer treble.

This only applies for analogue systems, though, as digital ones use the integrated DAC, so the only gain from an extra sound card would be just those EAX effects and such.

Good manufacturers are ASUS with their Xonar range, and Creative. Creative are however having some issues, and have been rather hated recently, so I would recommend an ASUS Xonar DX over any creative card. It can do everything a Creative can, and some more on top of that. Due to powerful software emulation capabilities, the Xonars handle much better in Windows Vista and 7 than their Creative counterparts, too.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
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My Logitech X540's do just fine on my integrated.

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ReDevilJR
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Gives you better quality audio and takes load off of CPU (Anything more than a dual-core will not really be noticeable with performance)

Personally I've used the Creative 7.1 X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Professional Series. Performed well, didn't notice a difference in FPS.

You should definitely invest in one if you're using surround sound speakers.
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I've been thinking of getting a sound card myself. I have a 5.1 surround sound system that is switchable to Dolby Digital and analog.

Is there and kind of added stress on the board, or lag in games when using on-board audio?? Some guy said he noticed less lag when playing BF2 when he got a Creative sound card, i wasn't sure to believe it or not
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FatherTed
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Stimey wrote:


My Logitech X540's do just fine on my integrated.
I'm running a high qual surround, not PC speakers
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Stimey
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Oh alright.
Then get a Xonar.
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FatherTed
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Stimey wrote:

Oh alright.
Then get a Xonar.
I want a proper eval!

Pros, Cons and price
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I have a Creative X-Fi Titanium which i love. i dont know about all this creative hating... because this baby sounds SOOOOO much better than onboard. admittedly its not the best sound card in the world but at $150 AUD (whats that like £60-70) i think it was definitely worth it
.Sup
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Xonar for gaming
Auzen X-fi or any HT Omega card for music/movies
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liquidat0r
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.Sup wrote:

Xonar for gaming
Auzen X-fi or any HT Omega card for music/movies
What's the difference between games and music/movies that would make you choose one brand of sound card over another?

(Genuine question - I don't know anything about sound cards.)
.Sup
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liquidat0r wrote:

.Sup wrote:

Xonar for gaming
Auzen X-fi or any HT Omega card for music/movies
What's the difference between games and music/movies that would make you choose one brand of sound card over another?

(Genuine question - I don't know anything about sound cards.)
Well xonar is focused on gaming- all the latest EAX effects, not long ago Omega's cards only went up to EAX 2.0. Auzen and Omega use high quality parts which produce high fidelity sound, sound not needed as much for gaming as it is needed for quality audio listening.

What I'm trying to say is why get a more expensive card (in this case the Auzen X-fi) if you don't care how good music sounds but you only want good gaming effects. Get the cheaper card (Xonar in this case).

Not saying Auzen X-fi isn't a good gaming card-it is an excellent gaming card but it is also more expensive than the sonar. So if you only care about gaming, get the cheaper Xonar.

Asus is aiming for not so demanding public while Auzen is aiming for those who want the best. (but still on the consumer level not pro)

I still stick to my opinion that external DAC's are better than internal ones- none to minimal interference while with internal DAC's theres a lot of noise coming from them through speakers.

And btw if you're not so much into gaming sound effects than you are in music listening the market of available quality cards gets a lot bigger. Its not just Asus/Creative world

This is extremely affordable atm: http://us.creative.com/products/product … duct=16069
Best performance for the price. And Daniel K is back if anyone didn't know that yet. Making better drivers for Creative the users as never before

Also I never had any issues with Creative drivers. A list of only the Creative cards I had (I had loads of other cards as well-no issues with them either) Audigy NX, Audigy2 ZS (EMU manufactured the sound processing chip), X-Fi extreme gamer and now 0404 EMU (EMU is a sound hardware manufacturer for professionals and is part of Creative)

As Freezer mentioned earlier a DAC would be ideal for music listening but for gaming effects (EAX) and movies (DTS & THX decoders and such) you would need either a sound card or an additional external decoder. But let me tell you, a DAC can produce an amazing, clear sound when I game, true I don't have a surround sound but I can hear that AK clearer than any EAX will provide.

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Mr.Dooomed
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.Sup wrote:

This is extremely affordable atm: http://us.creative.com/products/product … duct=16069
holy shit!

I'm buying this NOW

http://us.creative.com/products/product … duct=16071

$60? X-fi EAX HD 5.0? Remote control? Front 5.25 hub? SWEeeeet, I don't care if its refurbished man its $140 less then new

Would the other card be better for gaming though? Hell i dont care, i want that remote thats so cool
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.Sup
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Im_Dooomed wrote:

.Sup wrote:

This is extremely affordable atm: http://us.creative.com/products/product … duct=16069
holy shit!

I'm buying this NOW

http://us.creative.com/products/product … duct=16071

$60? X-fi EAX HD 5.0? Remote control? Front 5.25 hub? SWEeeeet, I don't care if its refurbished man its $140 less then new

Would the other card be better for gaming though? Hell i dont care, i want that remote thats so cool
If with the other card you mean extreme music then no, both are the same for gaming. Whats cool with the Platinum version you're getting is optical out so you can hook up your PC on a receiver.

I would get this though
http://us.creative.com/products/product … mc_id=8867

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Mr.Dooomed
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wait a sec, i'm a little confuzzuled.

So, my speaker set up has two line ins, one for left speakers, one for right speakers, so in the below pic:

https://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/29-102-190-15.jpg

I'd plug in 2 the two line outs in the middle, but whats that flexijack thing for microphone or anything else?

Also, what the hell is the AD_EXT cable for?

https://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/29-102-190-20.jpg

I don't have any idea what all the other connectors on the card itself are for
https://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/29-102-190-16.jpg

im such a sound card nub
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.Sup
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Flexy jack is for mic OR if you buy an additional cable it lets you connect through optical but since you have the externel rack you won't need to get that cable. AD connector connects your sound card with the 5.25 bay rack. You won't need other connectors.
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sweet, im gonna buy this now, then go to bed and dream about it.
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If you want a Creative X-Fi, get one of the shielded Titanium ones. All sound cards have their problems at the moment. The entire industry has shifted in a rather lackluster fashion to graphics obsession. If you want an all-in-wonder setup (gaming and work), you're probably going to have two sound cards...or a PC and a Mac/tons of external hardware.
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

If you want a Creative X-Fi, get one of the shielded Titanium ones. All sound cards have their problems at the moment. The entire industry has shifted in a rather lackluster fashion to graphics obsession. If you want an all-in-wonder setup (gaming and work), you're probably going to have two sound cards...or a PC and a Mac/tons of external hardware.
That shielding doesn't really help much as its in the PC, so close to other components. I've seen shielding mods from users who have done it better. You will still be hearing hiss
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O SHI-

newegg review wrote:

Careful w/ nForce4 Mobos!!

Comments: This card has problems with nForce4 based AMD motherboards... Creative has acknowledged the problem and is offering a free firmware update if your BIOS is not compatible with the card. Do some research before you buy, I didn't and now I have to wait for at least 2 weeks while Creative goes through the RMA process. The card works great with other motherboards though and it sounds excellent. I am a fan, but the compatibility issues are a bummer.
Yaaaaa thats me...

the review WAS from 2005 though, fawk im tired. g'nite yall

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.Sup
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Im_Dooomed wrote:

O SHI-

newegg review wrote:

Careful w/ nForce4 Mobos!!

Comments: This card has problems with nForce4 based AMD motherboards... Creative has acknowledged the problem and is offering a free firmware update if your BIOS is not compatible with the card. Do some research before you buy, I didn't and now I have to wait for at least 2 weeks while Creative goes through the RMA process. The card works great with other motherboards though and it sounds excellent. I am a fan, but the compatibility issues are a bummer.
Yaaaaa thats me...

the review WAS from 2005 though, is that how old this thing is? Am i really gettin a good deal then, if its an old soundcard package, and refurbished, hmmmmm
Hmm I had nForce 3&4/Athlon 3500+ and it worked fine with my X-Fi extreme gamer.

Edit: nite

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.Sup wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

If you want a Creative X-Fi, get one of the shielded Titanium ones. All sound cards have their problems at the moment. The entire industry has shifted in a rather lackluster fashion to graphics obsession. If you want an all-in-wonder setup (gaming and work), you're probably going to have two sound cards...or a PC and a Mac/tons of external hardware.
That shielding doesn't really help much as its in the PC, so close to other components. I've seen shielding mods from users who have done it better. You will still be hearing hiss
Depends on how close it is to your other components and if it's getting interference directly from its port. I've heard and read about hit and miss results with the 'Titanium upgrade,' but if it's wedged between video cards, you'll probably need to mod it.

Us audiophiles are pretty much offered a choice between turd sandwiches and giant douches when it comes to internal sound cards nowadays, but it still (usually) beats onboard.

There's a buzzing of another kind which I find to be more irksome than anything, and that is having speakers pick up modulated cellphone bullcrap right in the middle of Rocky IV.

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