Then Great Britain, Ruler of the Waves, should.
Edit: Thx Ram
Edit: Thx Ram
Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-01-30 04:13:26)
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fixedDilbert_X wrote:
The Great Britain should.
fair enough, this guy was mccains pastor or something, what would have happened by now if mccain was elected???FEOS wrote:
You compare US religious fringe groups--who have no authority whatsoever--with official Iranian govt policies and laws? And then say that's "proof" that they are just alike?
What color is the sky on your world?
anti-gay
anti-muslim
We did the whole 'USA is ruled by religious whackos thing already'.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=104988&p=6
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=104988&p=6
Fuck Israel
interesting thread there, America is run by the wacko religious right. Iran is run by the wacko religious right. Iran and america are run on the same basis
you seem to be confused. the govt does not round up gays and kill them. nor are we forced to be a certain religion for fear of death. nor do we hand banners in churches cheering for death to a country.rammunition wrote:
and you have your fair share of anti-gaysusmarine wrote:
except we dont segregate women and murder gays as capital punishment. nor do we have banners in our churches saying "death to iran." but ya, you are correct then. durrrrammunition wrote:
Iran is no different to America, controlled by religious lobbies/people who have a say on policies and who is president, the same thing happens in America.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/mu … 49598a.jpg
don't you also have the death sentence???
you do have churches with hate messages/propaganda
http://www.stmatthewsnj.org/blog/wp-con … gn%202.jpg
http://www.cair-florida.org/images/churchmarquee.JPG
http://pierrelegrand.net/wp-content/upl … urch11.jpg
iran and America have lots in common
you are not that smart are you?
Uh... not really. Bush and Ahmadinejad have some similarities, but that's quite different from our societies or politics being similar.Dilbert_X wrote:
Politically the US and Iran aren't that different, just slightly different priorities.
forget it, you aren't smart enough to realise that the similarities don't have to be 100% matching in order to be such.usmarine wrote:
you seem to be confused. the govt does not round up gays and kill them. nor are we forced to be a certain religion for fear of death. nor do we hand banners in churches cheering for death to a country.rammunition wrote:
and you have your fair share of anti-gaysusmarine wrote:
except we dont segregate women and murder gays as capital punishment. nor do we have banners in our churches saying "death to iran." but ya, you are correct then. durrr
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/mu … 49598a.jpg
don't you also have the death sentence???
you do have churches with hate messages/propaganda
http://www.stmatthewsnj.org/blog/wp-con … gn%202.jpg
http://www.cair-florida.org/images/churchmarquee.JPG
http://pierrelegrand.net/wp-content/upl … urch11.jpg
iran and America have lots in common
you are not that smart are you?
Ramm... you do realize that our system doesn't allow theocrats to run things like Iran does. The Religious Right might be powerful, but they're still a minority within the Republican party. That's hardly the same thing as having an Ayatollah.
minority or not, they do have a big say on U.S policy, if America doesn't stop them now, America will become just like IranTurquoise wrote:
Ramm... you do realize that our system doesn't allow theocrats to run things like Iran does. The Religious Right might be powerful, but they're still a minority within the Republican party. That's hardly the same thing as having an Ayatollah.
Nope. The Constitution prevents that. Keep in mind that Iran's democracy is really more like a dictatorship when you consider that the Ayatollah has the ability to counter any action by the government. Ultimately, he has the final say in everything Iran does.rammunition wrote:
minority or not, they do have a big say on U.S policy, if America doesn't stop them now, America will become just like IranTurquoise wrote:
Ramm... you do realize that our system doesn't allow theocrats to run things like Iran does. The Religious Right might be powerful, but they're still a minority within the Republican party. That's hardly the same thing as having an Ayatollah.
In America, there is no equivalent. The president might be powerful, but he still must contend with the balances we've put into place.
By the same token, the only way that the Religious Right would have the same level of power over us as the Ayatollah does in Iran would have to involve the vast majority of America being religiously nutty. We may have a lot of nutjobs, but again, they are a vocal minority, not the majority.
fair point on the first paragraphTurquoise wrote:
Nope. The Constitution prevents that. Keep in mind that Iran's democracy is really more like a dictatorship when you consider that the Ayatollah has the ability to counter any action by the government. Ultimately, he has the final say in everything Iran does.rammunition wrote:
minority or not, they do have a big say on U.S policy, if America doesn't stop them now, America will become just like IranTurquoise wrote:
Ramm... you do realize that our system doesn't allow theocrats to run things like Iran does. The Religious Right might be powerful, but they're still a minority within the Republican party. That's hardly the same thing as having an Ayatollah.
In America, there is no equivalent. The president might be powerful, but he still must contend with the balances we've put into place.
By the same token, the only way that the Religious Right would have the same level of power over us as the Ayatollah does in Iran would have to involve the vast majority of America being religiously nutty. We may have a lot of nutjobs, but again, they are a vocal minority, not the majority.
to the run up of the us elections, before obama won the democrat running, mccain, hilary and obama where all united at a Aipac conference. If, lets say obama never attended, do you think he would have won the democrat runnings?
I don't remember seeing someone like ron paul going to these lobby conferences, yet despite his popularity, failed with the republican running.
If he had managed the same level of funding that he did, yes. He raised more money than both the Republican party in total and all of the rest of the Democratic party combined. He basically had enough money in campaign funds to be his own party.rammunition wrote:
fair point on the first paragraphTurquoise wrote:
Nope. The Constitution prevents that. Keep in mind that Iran's democracy is really more like a dictatorship when you consider that the Ayatollah has the ability to counter any action by the government. Ultimately, he has the final say in everything Iran does.rammunition wrote:
minority or not, they do have a big say on U.S policy, if America doesn't stop them now, America will become just like Iran
In America, there is no equivalent. The president might be powerful, but he still must contend with the balances we've put into place.
By the same token, the only way that the Religious Right would have the same level of power over us as the Ayatollah does in Iran would have to involve the vast majority of America being religiously nutty. We may have a lot of nutjobs, but again, they are a vocal minority, not the majority.
to the run up of the us elections, before obama won the democrat running, mccain, hilary and obama where all united at a Aipac conference. If, lets say obama never attended, do you think he would have won the democrat runnings?
I liked Ron Paul a lot, but even I know that he's not nearly popular enough among the general populace to win the presidency. He did make a strong showing though.rammunition wrote:
I don't remember seeing someone like ron paul going to these lobby conferences, yet despite his popularity, failed with the republican running.
orite. lulz. you post pictures of private organizations billboards and equate that to the govt. jeez dude.rammunition wrote:
forget it, you aren't smart enough to realise that the similarities don't have to be 100% matching in order to be such.
he heard it on teh interwebs, it must be trueusmarine wrote:
orite. lulz. you post pictures of private organizations billboards and equate that to the govt. jeez dude.rammunition wrote:
forget it, you aren't smart enough to realise that the similarities don't have to be 100% matching in order to be such.
What is the Iranian equivelant to the ACLU?rammunition wrote:
fair point on the first paragraphTurquoise wrote:
Nope. The Constitution prevents that. Keep in mind that Iran's democracy is really more like a dictatorship when you consider that the Ayatollah has the ability to counter any action by the government. Ultimately, he has the final say in everything Iran does.rammunition wrote:
minority or not, they do have a big say on U.S policy, if America doesn't stop them now, America will become just like Iran
In America, there is no equivalent. The president might be powerful, but he still must contend with the balances we've put into place.
By the same token, the only way that the Religious Right would have the same level of power over us as the Ayatollah does in Iran would have to involve the vast majority of America being religiously nutty. We may have a lot of nutjobs, but again, they are a vocal minority, not the majority.
to the run up of the us elections, before obama won the democrat running, mccain, hilary and obama where all united at a Aipac conference. If, lets say obama never attended, do you think he would have won the democrat runnings?
I don't remember seeing someone like ron paul going to these lobby conferences, yet despite his popularity, failed with the republican running.
Back to the OP.
http://www.meforum.org/blog/obama-midea … tried.htmlThe Clinton Administration tried this tactic. President Clinton confessed in “unprompted” remarks that “Iran … has been the subject of quite a lot of abuse from various Western nations. And I think sometimes it’s quite important to tell people, look, you have a right to be angry at something my country or my culture or others that are generally allied with us today did to you 50 or 60 or 150 years ago.”
Then in 2000, at a state dinner in Washington, Secretary of State Madeline Albright directly apologized for specific past American actions toward Iran, from our role in orchestrating the overthrow of Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddeq, to our backing of the Shah, to our backing of Iraq in its war with Iran. Albright also highlighted President Clinton’s personal belief that America “must bear its full share of responsibility for the problems that have arisen in U.S.-Iranian relations.”
http://articles.latimes.com/2000/mar/18/news/mn-10114
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You are so full of shit, your eyes are brown.Dilbert_X wrote:
US religious 'fringe' groups control the balance of power in the US, same as Iran.
Theres a hell of a lot in the OT which demands murder, eg for gays specifically.
Those groups never have had "the balance of power in the US". They just get a lot of press.
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