1. training yes, college no. ALL jobs worth anything require some sort of training. In fact, all jobs I mentioned require training, IE effort ( sorry), they do not require college.Turquoise wrote:
Most of the jobs you just mentioned require some sort of training. Air Traffic Controllers aren't people you hire off the street. You should know this, given your profession.lowing wrote:
Don't think I am being silly at all, you do not need a college degree to do well in life in America. For you to say otherwise is rediculous, air traffic controllers, cops, firemen, linemen, railroad employees, etc.....are all well paying jobs that do not need a college degree. THere are more of course but I think my point is made.Oh really? So all the people laid off by Boeing in the last month were just fuckups. Man, I'm surprised they're still in business. They laid off like 10,000 people. 10,000 fuckups all in the same company.... holy shit. You'd better not take any flights in a 777 anytime soon.lowing wrote:
I think I do have control whether or not I am fired, try not being a fuck up. Most employees with a high work ethic are not fired.Your arrogance is showing, lowing, but that does make it easier to diffuse your reasoning. Your argument assumed that you had complete control over your employment. I was showing that you were wrong.lowing wrote:
Also to say you have NO CONTROL over how long you are unemployed is an argument I will let you rephrase before I rip it to shreds.
There are obviously things you can do to increase your odds of keeping your job or of being hired, but... to act like it's all in your control is no more true than to assume none of it is in your control.
Again, it's situational.
So you're saying that most decent paying jobs don't involve at least something like a technical certification or a technical degree?lowing wrote:
1. training yes, college no. ALL jobs worth anything require some sort of training. In fact, all jobs I mentioned require training, IE effort ( sorry), they do not require college.
If you realize this difference, then you should realize that not everyone who's without a job is incompetent.lowing wrote:
2. Big difference between being fired and laid off. You clearly said fired.
I didn't say "no control." I also specifically said "it's situational."lowing wrote:
3. Again, you said NO CONTROL, now you say, some control. I was argue agsainst your belief that you have NO CONTROL over your career. This is not true. DO you have the final say? Of course not, but you do have control over being marketable, loyal, competent, or being an asset to a company
Leave a rottweiller named Karen in it then. Moving right along for the thief, I know I would pass on that.ATG wrote:
My video ipod, the motorola like jack bauyer uses and my bad ass SOG desert dagger.TheAussieReaper wrote:
Get one of those red flashing lights and place it in the front near the steering wheel. They'll think it's an undercover cop car and move on to the next one.ATG wrote:
My truck has been burglerized twice in six months.
What was taken? Nothing too valuable I hope.
edit, my truck has the flashy light thing. thieves know better.
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training yes, of course, unless you fall into that entitlement crowd, I said you do not need college and a HS diploma will get you qualified to learn plenty of well paying jobs.Turquoise wrote:
So you're saying that most decent paying jobs don't involve at least something like a technical certification or a technical degree?lowing wrote:
1. training yes, college no. ALL jobs worth anything require some sort of training. In fact, all jobs I mentioned require training, IE effort ( sorry), they do not require college.If you realize this difference, then you should realize that not everyone who's without a job is incompetent.lowing wrote:
2. Big difference between being fired and laid off. You clearly said fired.I didn't say "no control." I also specifically said "it's situational."lowing wrote:
3. Again, you said NO CONTROL, now you say, some control. I was argue agsainst your belief that you have NO CONTROL over your career. This is not true. DO you have the final say? Of course not, but you do have control over being marketable, loyal, competent, or being an asset to a company
nope, poverty is correlated with irresponsibility, which is correlated with crime.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Let's see. A very large chunk of Washington DC's crime is in Southeast DC. Southeast DC is also the poorest of the four quadrants of DC.
In the DC area, the highest crime is in areas like Suitland, which... surprise surprise... is poorer than areas like Potomac and Falls Church.
I think poverty is correlated with crime.
What about organized crime? Those people aren't poor or irresponsible.lowing wrote:
nope, poverty is correlated with irresponsibility, which is correlated with crime.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Let's see. A very large chunk of Washington DC's crime is in Southeast DC. Southeast DC is also the poorest of the four quadrants of DC.
In the DC area, the highest crime is in areas like Suitland, which... surprise surprise... is poorer than areas like Potomac and Falls Church.
I think poverty is correlated with crime.
Hmmmmmmmm, so based on that, a drug dealer is a model citizen. If you wanna twist what I said, go ahead, but I am pretty sure you know exactly what I am saying.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
What about organized crime? Those people aren't poor or irresponsible.lowing wrote:
nope, poverty is correlated with irresponsibility, which is correlated with crime.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Let's see. A very large chunk of Washington DC's crime is in Southeast DC. Southeast DC is also the poorest of the four quadrants of DC.
In the DC area, the highest crime is in areas like Suitland, which... surprise surprise... is poorer than areas like Potomac and Falls Church.
I think poverty is correlated with crime.
I'm just saying not everyone who commits a crime is poor and irresponsible.lowing wrote:
Hmmmmmmmm, so based on that, a drug dealer is a model citizen. If you wanna twist what I said, go ahead, but I am pretty sure you know exactly what I am saying.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
What about organized crime? Those people aren't poor or irresponsible.lowing wrote:
nope, poverty is correlated with irresponsibility, which is correlated with crime.
A=Blowing wrote:
nope, poverty is correlated with irresponsibility, which is correlated with crime.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Let's see. A very large chunk of Washington DC's crime is in Southeast DC. Southeast DC is also the poorest of the four quadrants of DC.
In the DC area, the highest crime is in areas like Suitland, which... surprise surprise... is poorer than areas like Potomac and Falls Church.
I think poverty is correlated with crime.
I never said EVERYONE that commits a crime is poor, however, anyone that purposly commits a significant crime ( I gotta say this to avoid the inevitable "what about speeders"? argument) is irresponsible.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
I'm just saying not everyone who commits a crime is poor and irresponsible.lowing wrote:
Hmmmmmmmm, so based on that, a drug dealer is a model citizen. If you wanna twist what I said, go ahead, but I am pretty sure you know exactly what I am saying.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
What about organized crime? Those people aren't poor or irresponsible.
Murder is a pretty significant crime. There's plenty of responsible people that commit murder for multiple reasons.lowing wrote:
I never said EVERYONE that commits a crime is poor, however, anyone that purposly commits a significant crime ( I gotta say this to avoid the inevitable "what about speeders"? argument) is irresponsible.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
I'm just saying not everyone who commits a crime is poor and irresponsible.lowing wrote:
Hmmmmmmmm, so based on that, a drug dealer is a model citizen. If you wanna twist what I said, go ahead, but I am pretty sure you know exactly what I am saying.
in this case you are correct, for no one who lives off of welfare as a life style is responsible. Less those that are not physicsally able to take care of themselvesHurricane2k9 wrote:
A=Blowing wrote:
nope, poverty is correlated with irresponsibility, which is correlated with crime.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Let's see. A very large chunk of Washington DC's crime is in Southeast DC. Southeast DC is also the poorest of the four quadrants of DC.
In the DC area, the highest crime is in areas like Suitland, which... surprise surprise... is poorer than areas like Potomac and Falls Church.
I think poverty is correlated with crime.
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Oh please, stop with your rediculous argument already.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
Murder is a pretty significant crime. There's plenty of responsible people that commit murder for multiple reasons.lowing wrote:
I never said EVERYONE that commits a crime is poor, however, anyone that purposly commits a significant crime ( I gotta say this to avoid the inevitable "what about speeders"? argument) is irresponsible.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
I'm just saying not everyone who commits a crime is poor and irresponsible.
My ridiculous argument? You can't say every person who commits major crimes are irresponsible. There are plenty of responsible people who commit major crimes.lowing wrote:
Oh please, stop with your rediculous argument already.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
Murder is a pretty significant crime. There's plenty of responsible people that commit murder for multiple reasons.lowing wrote:
I never said EVERYONE that commits a crime is poor, however, anyone that purposly commits a significant crime ( I gotta say this to avoid the inevitable "what about speeders"? argument) is irresponsible.
You have no idea what I have been through in the past 10 years. I have faced divorce and loss of work, also mounting debt, just to name a few. and guess what, a crime spree has never been a considersation. I also have never blamed anyone or anything for my situation and the decisions I made that brought them. I have never taken a penny from the taxpayers to bail me out of anything that I went through.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
My ridiculous argument? You can't say every person who commits major crimes are irresponsible. There are plenty of responsible people who commit major crimes.lowing wrote:
Oh please, stop with your rediculous argument already.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
Murder is a pretty significant crime. There's plenty of responsible people that commit murder for multiple reasons.
Jesus Lowing, I really don't think you really understand that if the ball had bounced a little differently, you could have been trying to support yourself or family through crime or that you could be poor. So before you go off on a crusade against the poor and blame them for all the world's failing you should realize that you could have been poor and it could have actually been the fault of other people who might have also been crusading against you.
Great Lowing. Good for you. Really good. I mean that.lowing wrote:
You have no idea what I have been through in the past 10 years. I have faced divorce and loss of work, also mounting debt, just to name a few. and guess what, a crime spree has never been a considersation. I also have never blamed anyone or anything for my situation and the decisions I made that brought them. I have never taken a penny from the taxpayers to bail me out of anything that I went through.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
My ridiculous argument? You can't say every person who commits major crimes are irresponsible. There are plenty of responsible people who commit major crimes.lowing wrote:
Oh please, stop with your rediculous argument already.
Jesus Lowing, I really don't think you really understand that if the ball had bounced a little differently, you could have been trying to support yourself or family through crime or that you could be poor. So before you go off on a crusade against the poor and blame them for all the world's failing you should realize that you could have been poor and it could have actually been the fault of other people who might have also been crusading against you.
In short, my life has not been a fairy tale, you could even say it isn't "FAIR", but I solve my own problems, and I choose to do so without your (taxpayers) help.
Ok well, now ya got me confused, you say you do not know what I have been through and you really do not care, yet you want to make an argument that I should care what happens to people that do not care themselves?uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
Great Lowing. Good for you. Really good. I mean that.lowing wrote:
You have no idea what I have been through in the past 10 years. I have faced divorce and loss of work, also mounting debt, just to name a few. and guess what, a crime spree has never been a considersation. I also have never blamed anyone or anything for my situation and the decisions I made that brought them. I have never taken a penny from the taxpayers to bail me out of anything that I went through.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
My ridiculous argument? You can't say every person who commits major crimes are irresponsible. There are plenty of responsible people who commit major crimes.
Jesus Lowing, I really don't think you really understand that if the ball had bounced a little differently, you could have been trying to support yourself or family through crime or that you could be poor. So before you go off on a crusade against the poor and blame them for all the world's failing you should realize that you could have been poor and it could have actually been the fault of other people who might have also been crusading against you.
In short, my life has not been a fairy tale, you could even say it isn't "FAIR", but I solve my own problems, and I choose to do so without your (taxpayers) help.
I don't know what you've been threw. I really don't care either.
But don't jump on other people because they've had a rough life and after looking at their situation saw the only way out of it was through crime or government assistance.
My junior year of high school I read the Great Gatsby and the first chapter something in it has been going through my mind ever since. Before you ever criticize anyone just think not everyone has had the same opportunities as you.
Now before you say, "I never had any opportunities" Yes you did, if you didn't you wouldn't be as successful as you are. There was something you had that others didn't. If however small it was it was still something other don't get.
Just please before you ever jump on anyone else for anything just think for a second about what that person's life is like or has been like.
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I don't want you to go through every single little thing that has happened to you in your entire life in a attempt at showing me you had a rough life. That's what I meant by that.lowing wrote:
Ok well, now ya got me confused, you say you do not know what I have been through and you really do not care, yet you want to make an argument that I should care what happens to people that do not care themselves?uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
Great Lowing. Good for you. Really good. I mean that.lowing wrote:
You have no idea what I have been through in the past 10 years. I have faced divorce and loss of work, also mounting debt, just to name a few. and guess what, a crime spree has never been a considersation. I also have never blamed anyone or anything for my situation and the decisions I made that brought them. I have never taken a penny from the taxpayers to bail me out of anything that I went through.
In short, my life has not been a fairy tale, you could even say it isn't "FAIR", but I solve my own problems, and I choose to do so without your (taxpayers) help.
I don't know what you've been threw. I really don't care either.
But don't jump on other people because they've had a rough life and after looking at their situation saw the only way out of it was through crime or government assistance.
My junior year of high school I read the Great Gatsby and the first chapter something in it has been going through my mind ever since. Before you ever criticize anyone just think not everyone has had the same opportunities as you.
Now before you say, "I never had any opportunities" Yes you did, if you didn't you wouldn't be as successful as you are. There was something you had that others didn't. If however small it was it was still something other don't get.
Just please before you ever jump on anyone else for anything just think for a second about what that person's life is like or has been like.
You couldn't care less what happened to me, yet I am supposed to open my heart and wallet for every leech in America. Not really sure what to make of that inconsistency.
I will also add that I have not "jumped on" anyone. My whole premisis is I take care of myself and my problems, and you are free to do the same for yourself.
I didn't give you my life story, you assumed that I lived a life in fantasyland. I simply informed you that my life is just as full of unknowns as anyone elses. I simply deal with them.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
I don't want you to go through every single little thing that has happened to you in your entire life in a attempt at showing me you had a rough life. That's what I meant by that.lowing wrote:
Ok well, now ya got me confused, you say you do not know what I have been through and you really do not care, yet you want to make an argument that I should care what happens to people that do not care themselves?uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
Great Lowing. Good for you. Really good. I mean that.
I don't know what you've been threw. I really don't care either.
But don't jump on other people because they've had a rough life and after looking at their situation saw the only way out of it was through crime or government assistance.
My junior year of high school I read the Great Gatsby and the first chapter something in it has been going through my mind ever since. Before you ever criticize anyone just think not everyone has had the same opportunities as you.
Now before you say, "I never had any opportunities" Yes you did, if you didn't you wouldn't be as successful as you are. There was something you had that others didn't. If however small it was it was still something other don't get.
Just please before you ever jump on anyone else for anything just think for a second about what that person's life is like or has been like.
You couldn't care less what happened to me, yet I am supposed to open my heart and wallet for every leech in America. Not really sure what to make of that inconsistency.
I will also add that I have not "jumped on" anyone. My whole premisis is I take care of myself and my problems, and you are free to do the same for yourself.
I take care of my own problems. Because I can. Some people can't and need a little help and before I attack anyone I try to consider what they've went through and where they are coming from.
Sure the recession is causing some crime, but don't blame poor people off the jump of it. Then after somebody claims that not only the poor commit crimes don't use only the irresponsible commit crimes. Then don't say your only poor if you're irresponsible.
You jump on everyone and everything if it's not exactly what you are or like. You don't consider others views on perspectives on things.
Yes, we are successful and we should if it doesn't horribly inconvenience us help those below us rather then stop on them with our big shoes or poke them with our swords from our high horses.
Not caring about them and blaming them for all America's problems are too totally different things. I really don't care about this new administration and the only reason they got my vote is because Sarah Palin freaked me the fuck out.lowing wrote:
I didn't give you my life story, you assumed that I lived a life in fantasyland. I simply informed you that my life is just as full of unknowns as anyone elses. I simply deal with them.uevjHEYFFQ wrote:
I don't want you to go through every single little thing that has happened to you in your entire life in a attempt at showing me you had a rough life. That's what I meant by that.lowing wrote:
Ok well, now ya got me confused, you say you do not know what I have been through and you really do not care, yet you want to make an argument that I should care what happens to people that do not care themselves?
You couldn't care less what happened to me, yet I am supposed to open my heart and wallet for every leech in America. Not really sure what to make of that inconsistency.
I will also add that I have not "jumped on" anyone. My whole premisis is I take care of myself and my problems, and you are free to do the same for yourself.
I take care of my own problems. Because I can. Some people can't and need a little help and before I attack anyone I try to consider what they've went through and where they are coming from.
Sure the recession is causing some crime, but don't blame poor people off the jump of it. Then after somebody claims that not only the poor commit crimes don't use only the irresponsible commit crimes. Then don't say your only poor if you're irresponsible.
You jump on everyone and everything if it's not exactly what you are or like. You don't consider others views on perspectives on things.
Yes, we are successful and we should if it doesn't horribly inconvenience us help those below us rather then stop on them with our big shoes or poke them with our swords from our high horses.
Some can't, I am willing to help. It is those that won't that I don't care about. It is those that feel entitled to my income that I don't care about. This administration caters to that attitude.